Hello everyone as most of you know i had a problem with smears but thats all sorted now today i had 2 houses which left small lines after i had done them (looked like little water lines after dried) could this be maybe little niks in my rubber although i have looked or maybe grease on my rubber i will clean my rubber tonight with white vinegar hopefully that works.i think it could be as im doing domestic houses i just do downward strokes maybe as im starting at the top im pulling too much water down the window or maybe this could be too much fairy liquid?????????? i tried with less fairy helped but still a few lines?
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If the lines are all the way from top to bottom then I would say it's a nick in your rubber. But as daveyboy said, if you are doing straight pulls make sure you wipe the top edge with your cloth first as well as wiping the squeegee blade between pull downs.
If you are doing 'straight down' blading then try this; After you have wet the glass, run a cloth along the top frame, wipe squeegee, then blade down. As you have wiped the top frame already there's no need to do again. Continue to blade down, only wipe the squeegee first and angle it slightly downwards on the dry side each time.
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i rarely do straight pulls as it can leave lines at the over lap....thats where fanning wins cause the rubber never leaves the window...it is of course an acquired skill but dont worry i have been doing it for years and still coc k it up from time to time...
and you must never pause...as you will get a line....all in the flow...sometimes it just goes wrong...
and to save wiping the blade....you have to do the bladey tappy tap tap tap or is that only me....:rofl:
and you must never pause...as you will get a line....all in the flow...sometimes it just goes wrong...
and to save wiping the blade....you have to do the bladey tappy tap tap tap or is that only me....:rofl:
I do it different all the time
sometimes just for quickness on the opening windows I just start on left bottom go up across top and down to bottom
people have said don't drag water up the window but it works for me
may be the big overhang of rubber I have at the ends of the channel??
sometimes just for quickness on the opening windows I just start on left bottom go up across top and down to bottom
people have said don't drag water up the window but it works for me
may be the big overhang of rubber I have at the ends of the channel??
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Pull downs are just for small windows & Trad Pole. As said practice the fanning technique on your house as it's not difficult, just extra detailing with scrims until you get more accomplished or modify/change your squeegee.
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yeh daveyboy1 what ever gets you through the day...is okay...whatever gets you through the night...is alright..me varies my ways sometimes just for the fun of it and to break the boredom.../emoticons/biggrin.png
come on rice try it you might like it....the microfibre cloth i used scrim all my life for detailing not anymore....ta again mr allotment for your great posts that lead me to the light at the end of the tunnel...well i not using your real name too much but you know who you are...cheers.../emoticons/biggrin.png
come on rice try it you might like it....the microfibre cloth i used scrim all my life for detailing not anymore....ta again mr allotment for your great posts that lead me to the light at the end of the tunnel...well i not using your real name too much but you know who you are...cheers.../emoticons/biggrin.png
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yep i havent got an allotment but my garden...you cant get down it for rampant raspberry canes...mind you...a custy gave me my clippers back today...their days are numbered.. mrtaytay is the allotment guru...thats why hes not on at the mo as much...
yeh dont tell anyone but ...scrim is almost dead...well i suppose ....i will still use it on leadeds...but even them these days i can blade and microfibre.. scrim is hard work and its a pain til its broken in...
one of my great faults is blading and then seeing a tiny mark...and trying to get rid of it...with scrim...you just make a great mess and i end up reblading...now magic....i am a full convert...just need to buy a full load of em..../emoticons/biggrin.png
i am finding it hard ...but poor scrim is now my new sill cloth...ahhhh
yeh dont tell anyone but ...scrim is almost dead...well i suppose ....i will still use it on leadeds...but even them these days i can blade and microfibre.. scrim is hard work and its a pain til its broken in...
one of my great faults is blading and then seeing a tiny mark...and trying to get rid of it...with scrim...you just make a great mess and i end up reblading...now magic....i am a full convert...just need to buy a full load of em..../emoticons/biggrin.png
i am finding it hard ...but poor scrim is now my new sill cloth...ahhhh
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i always fan the windows
especially in the sun if I do straight pulls I do find it better right to left works better for me, mind cheap still using scrim
especially in the sun if I do straight pulls I do find it better right to left works better for me, mind cheap still using scrim
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ahh but have you tried it yet....its bloomin good.../emoticons/biggrin.png
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Take care using your fishscales on leaded windows cnc.....they can catch on the sharper bits of lead. Regular fineweave microfibre glass cloths are best for leadeds.....and get better the more they are laundered.
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ahh thanks for that mrtaytay..my hero...i did hear them catching on the lead today and didnt like it....i am just about to order the others now...you got me addicted to them../emoticons/biggrin.png
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The thing is, and this is just my take on things...some wc's will disagree but...anyway on with the show. The thing is, there is actually a science to it and this is why this job is a trade despite what some will say. I really should make a video for this but I can't bare to see myself on tv so, I've knocked up some pictures instead.
I see so many wc's that get it wrong, I've watched them live and on youtube etc. I see so many people pull down with a straight squeegee:-
This is wrong and you'll really be making a mess of the glass. As I say, I see so many wc's blade the down swipe like this.
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Alot get it wrong including me in the beginning with the belief that if you angle the squeegee down like this:-
...the water will run down the squeegee and off the glass. This is the big mistake and the reason, water like any fluid, doesn't compress. When you squeegee, you are forcing the water downwards into itself. The majority of the water will run onto your rubber and be forced to jump off the glass and onto the window sill but, the thin layer still on the glass will be forced into itself which it can't do and will therefore travel along the rubber and off the sides.
With the squeegee angled like the above picture, it's easy to think it will run to the right hand side of the squeegee as it's sloping down but again, in order to do this, the water would be running into water that is still on the glass and into the strongest point of compression and again, water can't compress(can't be forced into other water). So, the water runs in the only direction it can and that's upwards, towards the left in this case. It's not really running upwards, it's running across but as you're pulling down, it can feel like this.
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This would be the correct way to angle your squeegee on a straight pull.
The excess water falls off the glass and the thin layer of water will run along the rubber to the right and leave the squeegee near the frame which you'll then detail away.
The first pull however isn't really that important and you could angle your squeegee any way you like, it's only important once you're on the 2nd pull and squeegee-ing into the clean dry side of the glass.
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Here is an example of how not to squeegee your 2nd pull.
The first pull isn't important so I've just left it straight. You can see how the flow of water will be forced along to the right as that's where there is most space for the water...it'll exit the squeegee straight onto your clean glass leaving a line down the middle.
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...and the correct way shows how the water will run to the left and into the frame area ready for detailing.
If you're reading this in daylight, go and try these two different techniques on your own glass and see for yourself.
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Finally, I hope this picture explains the best way to complete a two pull technique on a standard window.
The faint squeegee's show the start of the move cutting in at the top left of the glass, moving into the corner and across the top of the glass turning the queegee into the opposing corner and down in one swipe straightening up at the very bottom of the pane to cut out. The red highlighted squeegee is the 2nd pull, starting straight and angling into the glass on the pull and again, straightening up at the very last part to cut out.
To add, some people will wipe the top of the glass first but, this doesn't stop the water line if your technique is wrong, it only stops water running from the top back onto the glass, this is why we cut in first regardless of whether we want to fan or do straight pulls. Personally, I only ever fan big windows like shops etc. I'm more than happy to just use the technique shown above. There's no need to wipe the rubber between pulls either if your technique is correct as above but, I often tend to tap the rubber on the very bottom of the window once I've completed the first pull. This removes the excess and can be done in a flash without really noticing, it's just a matter of finishing the first pull, removing the squeegee just off the glass and tapping it back on again before removing to start the 2nd pull.
I hope this makes sense and helps someone. It's probably badley written as I knew it was gonna be long so I just got on with it without trying to find the better way to explain things.
Mart.
I see so many wc's that get it wrong, I've watched them live and on youtube etc. I see so many people pull down with a straight squeegee:-
This is wrong and you'll really be making a mess of the glass. As I say, I see so many wc's blade the down swipe like this.
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Alot get it wrong including me in the beginning with the belief that if you angle the squeegee down like this:-
...the water will run down the squeegee and off the glass. This is the big mistake and the reason, water like any fluid, doesn't compress. When you squeegee, you are forcing the water downwards into itself. The majority of the water will run onto your rubber and be forced to jump off the glass and onto the window sill but, the thin layer still on the glass will be forced into itself which it can't do and will therefore travel along the rubber and off the sides.
With the squeegee angled like the above picture, it's easy to think it will run to the right hand side of the squeegee as it's sloping down but again, in order to do this, the water would be running into water that is still on the glass and into the strongest point of compression and again, water can't compress(can't be forced into other water). So, the water runs in the only direction it can and that's upwards, towards the left in this case. It's not really running upwards, it's running across but as you're pulling down, it can feel like this.
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This would be the correct way to angle your squeegee on a straight pull.
The excess water falls off the glass and the thin layer of water will run along the rubber to the right and leave the squeegee near the frame which you'll then detail away.
The first pull however isn't really that important and you could angle your squeegee any way you like, it's only important once you're on the 2nd pull and squeegee-ing into the clean dry side of the glass.
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Here is an example of how not to squeegee your 2nd pull.
The first pull isn't important so I've just left it straight. You can see how the flow of water will be forced along to the right as that's where there is most space for the water...it'll exit the squeegee straight onto your clean glass leaving a line down the middle.
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...and the correct way shows how the water will run to the left and into the frame area ready for detailing.
If you're reading this in daylight, go and try these two different techniques on your own glass and see for yourself.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Finally, I hope this picture explains the best way to complete a two pull technique on a standard window.
The faint squeegee's show the start of the move cutting in at the top left of the glass, moving into the corner and across the top of the glass turning the queegee into the opposing corner and down in one swipe straightening up at the very bottom of the pane to cut out. The red highlighted squeegee is the 2nd pull, starting straight and angling into the glass on the pull and again, straightening up at the very last part to cut out.
To add, some people will wipe the top of the glass first but, this doesn't stop the water line if your technique is wrong, it only stops water running from the top back onto the glass, this is why we cut in first regardless of whether we want to fan or do straight pulls. Personally, I only ever fan big windows like shops etc. I'm more than happy to just use the technique shown above. There's no need to wipe the rubber between pulls either if your technique is correct as above but, I often tend to tap the rubber on the very bottom of the window once I've completed the first pull. This removes the excess and can be done in a flash without really noticing, it's just a matter of finishing the first pull, removing the squeegee just off the glass and tapping it back on again before removing to start the 2nd pull.
I hope this makes sense and helps someone. It's probably badley written as I knew it was gonna be long so I just got on with it without trying to find the better way to explain things.
Mart.
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top post Mart1001 do you know prof brian cox by any chance.
...im a big fan....seriously ...you couldnt explain any better a post to remember...although i only ever fan....all though i straight pull the little openers but that really is a straight pull as in straight across../emoticons/smile.png
...im a big fan....seriously ...you couldnt explain any better a post to remember...although i only ever fan....all though i straight pull the little openers but that really is a straight pull as in straight across../emoticons/smile.png
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i like using a 6 inch squeggee on small top windows and fanning them just like big windows it works for me :thumbsup:
