What do you think to this

[Dave B]

Just seen this and wondered what you guys reckon

I have an old ladder that i could use as a roof ladder

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[rshandyman]

I am looking for something similar but this might do for me

 

[Smurf]

Not for me as I would prefer to use a purpose built cat ladder myself as they are also fitted with with spreader bars so keeps the stiles of the ladder and rungs away from the roof so are safer to use grip wise.

Cat ladders are now dirt cheap too so best tools for the job and all that....

 

[Smurf]

This is how you are supposed to do it just using ladder but how many actually work this way

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[PTWC]

Ive done that training, and thats exactly what i used to do when i was installing tv aerials.

Everything apart from the dust mask.

These H&S bods do often go OTT, bless em.

That system does make it safe.

Harness, climbing rope, karabiner etc. still got all the gear but don't need it for cleaning windows.

Would need it for cleaning gutters though.

 

[TolishAPurd]

I'd personally avoid that Daveyboy for the reasons smurf mentioned. If theres ever atime you are relying on your gear, its up on a roof.

 

[Smurf]

Let me know how you get on asking to drill holes in customers walls to clear their gutters out :thumbsup:

I know what I would say /emoticons/biggrin.png

Ive done that training, and thats exactly what i used to do when i was installing tv aerials.Everything apart from the dust mask.

These H&S bods do often go OTT, bless em.

That system does make it safe.

Harness, climbing rope, karabiner etc. still got all the gear but don't need it for cleaning windows.

Would need it for cleaning gutters though.

 

[PTWC]

Well try explaining to the HSE inspector why you didn't.

Im with you though.

Its a bit of a problem.

No one wants their walls drilled, but it is the best way to do it.

Ive done it many many times. In brick you catch some dust and fill the hole with silicon, then splash the dust over it. You get a near invisible result, which can be used again the next time.

Ive a fixed hook eye bolt on the wall of my house for gaining access to the roof via cat ladder.

I try to have a balanced approach to H&S. Asses the risk, and take appropriate measures.

If not going onto the roof and if only for a short time then HSE will accept that all practicable and appropriate steps have been taken to carry out the task.

 

[Dave B]

I thought due to the short time with the ladder in any one place ie under 20 minutes the hse couldn't say anything anyway

Saying that the local council recently did the gutters in a cul de sac recently near me and used ally tower across the front of all the houses

 

[PTWC]

Yes ive seen them putting up full scaffolding with a platform going all the way across to the chimney, just to change a couple of tiles.

 

[Dave B]

I.am an experienced roofer and I still think hse are over the top

If you use.your loaf then not a problem

Problem is most people don't

 

[PTWC]

I.am an experienced roofer and I still think hse are over the topIf you use.your loaf then not a problem

Problem is most people don't

I agree totally.

 

[Smurf]

I have known 3 experience roof killed by falling off roofs That is why H&S was formed in the first place as ppl do suffer life changing injuries or if really unlucky death working at height year in year out since the dawn of time.

It will never happen to me syndrome will not save your life but safe working practises just might.

I.am an experienced roofer and I still think hse are over the topIf you use.your loaf then not a problem

Problem is most people don't

 

[PTWC]

Like Daveyboy1 says, if you are experienced and clever enough to use your loaf, (common sense coupled with training and knowledge) then you will be safe.

Conversely, most of the H&S bods you come across have very little or no experience and can only spout on about what they have been told or have read.

Yes it is a generalisation, but time and time again proves true.

Most of what they say is good, a little of what they say is a load of codswallop.

Thats why most people agree they are a pane in the glass.

Control freaks, they're like Traffic Wardens.

 

[Smurf]

Trouble is we are all human and can make silly mistakes no matter how well trained & knowledgeable we are.

It's called the human factor that can and does kill ppl. What many would say are common working practises is not normally the safest way to do things. Many firms especially roofers work without any fall protection at all. Ladder up, clamber on roof, do what they have to do...job done /emoticons/biggrin.png

 

[PTWC]

Yes Smurf, that's also true. I have to agree with that.

 

[Smurf]

At the end of the day we are responsible for our own safety so it's up to the individual how they work. Everyone wants to come home each day in one piece but sadly many don't.

 

[Dave B]

Only a **** would jump up on a 2nd floor roof without being tied to something

Either ladder and tied to wall or tied on a solid point on the roof

Don't need hse to tell me that

If you need telling you shouldn't be doing it

 

[Smurf]

I know you are safety concious @daveyboy1 but so many roofers when using normal ladders only to access a pitched roof just don't bother as they know best. It must be a macho thing or something, to speed up the job and to keep costs down.

 

[Dave B]

Not so macho laid out on a slab in the morgue though

I think it's a selfish attitude to have as all the grief it leaves for others

Kids without a dad etc

 

[Smurf]

I don't want to preach to the converted and I'm certainly no H&S freak either but it's always good to talk about ladder safety etc as reminds use all that gravity will win every time no matter how macho you are (it will never happen to me types)/emoticons/biggrin.png