What a Day!!! Referendum result proof of an Awakening happening

[Spartan]

Please continue this thread in a respectful manner in relation to the original post.
Everyone has the right to express and state any opinion they like, that is what our ancestors fought for, I am sure they did not give a stuff weather it's called a Marathon or a Snickers.

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Thanks GreenPro

**Offers handshake to PJ Bullard**

Different opinions don't mean unfriendly, i guess passions can run high in such discussions /emoticons/smile.png

 

[Solarpanelcleanington]

We're at where we are, at the end of day and better make the best of it.

Wales in the quarter finals too!

 

[TolishAPurd]

I'll give you a clue. It's on the big red bus above your original post.
Even farage admits it was a mistake.

Again, where does it say that ALL the money will go on the nhs?

 

[Dave B]

Mr Green i apologise if i offended you but i wasn't having a pop at you

It was at people who don't know anything about it but then MOAN about the result

I didn't know what you voted but you are not moaning about it

 

[Green Pro Clean Ltd]

You may have noted the IN crowd are portrayed as the informed and educated....

The out crowd are portrayed as 'oi! grab us a pint and kebab... oh shite im outa baccy!

Very sterotypical of the BBC.

So us shouting 'oi! quit moaning' wont really help change perceptions now will it?

 

[Spartan]

You may have noted the IN crowd are portrayed as the informed and educated....The out crowd are portrayed as 'oi! grab us a pint and kebab... oh shite im outa baccy!

Very sterotypical of the BBC.

So us shouting 'oi! quit moaning' wont really help change perceptions now will it?

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very funny and i must admit true.....

The 'if only the Out lot had spent more time researching the referendum and less time watching Jeremy Kyle or queuing down the dole office, we wouldn't be in this godawful mess' train of thought.....

It is what it is, so lets crack on!!:thumbsup:

 

[Green Pro Clean Ltd]

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[Pickingpaul]

i think we all need a big hug

 

[PJ Bullard]

@Spartan yes I accept your handshake!! Dont want to start a fight or agrument but you say that you have the right to challenge whatever anyone believes especially if there is no evidence...there is mate - tonnes of it

Yes, I agree with @Green Pro Clean Ltd everyone has the right to their own opinions for sure

Lets all have a group hug....ahhhhh

Love you all

 

[peter rogers]

Lol crazy. I backed out and wandered if. We did leave what wud all the in voters do ?

Well in the space of 48 hours there a petition going about to hold a second referendum lol which won't happen

Nigel Farage thinks we need a government that all backed the out campaign which in my eyes is wrong. U need people who will make the right decisions and not make biast claims and choices based on what they chose

David Cameron has done the right thing in stepping down and went about it in the best way possible

The country will tear its self apart. Why do Scotland think they have the right to hold another vote?.? Because the exit toe didn't go there way? No wen they voted to stay with the uk couple years ago they were with it.

And everyone enjoys a good debate and hope all you guys don't stop it. Where would we be if we didn't ?

 

[steve garwood]

Lol crazy. I backed out and wandered if. We did leave what wud all the in voters do ?
Well in the space of 48 hours there a petition going about to hold a second referendum lol which won't happen

Nigel Farage thinks we need a government that all backed the out campaign which in my eyes is wrong. U need people who will make the right decisions and not make biast claims and choices based on what they chose

David Cameron has done the right thing in stepping down and went about it in the best way possible

The country will tear its self apart. Why do Scotland think they have the right to hold another vote?.? Because the exit toe didn't go there way? No wen they voted to stay with the uk couple years ago they were with it.

And everyone enjoys a good debate and hope all you guys don't stop it. Where would we be if we didn't ?

Good point. Scotland voted to be a part of the UK. When the uk votes out, that includes them as well. They cant have it both ways

 

[peter rogers]

All the ones who voted in. Now sayin... Well it's not legally binding. We do not have to doin

I think if u voted in or out u have to stand back and say they have to respect the choices of the nation no matter what

 

[Spartan]

Um, I'm still not seeing where it says all the money will go on the nhs.

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I don't know what else I can say to convince/provide evidence

 

[Dave B]

Spartan do you not understand that they are a group of people campaigning to leave europe

That is suggesting a possibility of what could be done with the money

The fact that the brexit campaigners are not a political party or in power surely tells you that whatever they put on posters etc during the campaign is purely examples of how we could be better off and how money could be relocated as they don't make the decisions that effect our country..the leading political party and pm at the time would do that

So it is nowhere that you will find a poster saying we WILL give £350m to the nhs as they don't have the power to do that

That poster could have said let's give free backrubs to everyone..would you have then moaned calling them liars or would you see it as an example of the amount of money that could be freed up by leaving europe

 

[TolishAPurd]

Exactly Dave.

Add on to that that anyone that votes because of those posters is a numpty that clearly doesn't understand how it works. Much of that money that went to the Eh would have come back to us in the form of subsidies grants etc across the whole of the UK, for a host of different things. So for someone to think that we would ignore all those things and just spend it all on the nhs- they deserve to be conned (even though they weren't). It's just the media trying to make people feel ripped off.

.....but the biggest part that's already been mentioned by Dave............drumroll...

The leave campaign is not a political party.

 

[Solarpanelcleanington]

Yes but the £350 million doesn't even exist. They were suggesting an idea that wasn't even possible. Fraudulent really.

However, all politicians lie!

 

[PJ Bullard]

In talking about this £350 million topic, I'd like to ask: what is money / credit? where does it come from? who creates it?

'Money' or 'credit' is, if you follow it back far enough, created of out fresh air by private banks and it only truely exists as digital figures on banking computer screens. Even the cash you withdraw from a machine has no real value and the value it does have is based on belief between buyer and seller that it has any worth at all.

Say you go into a bank and 'borrow' £50k. What happens? The bank types into your account 50000 and from that moment on, you owe it back PLUS interest. They haven't moved any precious metals and the 'money' is not backed up by anything at all.

Money is a means of energetic exchange and it can be used for freedom and abundance or slavery and dependence.

Another thing I would say as well is that once we (the people) decide we want a world based on fairness and the basics for everyone on earth, 'the money' will be there in plentiful supply.

Many would agrue with that (including Spartan) and they would continue to ask 'where would the money come from to provide for everyone as a matter of course?' and I'd answer that with another question: where does it come from now? Where do the open cheques for endless war and carnage come from?

The issue of the £350 million is irrelevant once you understand how it works

 

[Spartan]

okay, ive been busy over the past few days (i have a crust to earn /emoticons/biggrin.png ) so lets deal with this.....

Spartan do you not understand that they are a group of people campaigning to leave europeThat is suggesting a possibility of what could be done with the money

The fact that the brexit campaigners are not a political party or in power surely tells you that whatever they put on posters etc during the campaign is purely examples of how we could be better off and how money could be relocated as they don't make the decisions that effect our country..the leading political party and pm at the time would do that

So it is nowhere that you will find a poster saying we WILL give £350m to the nhs as they don't have the power to do that

That poster could have said let's give free backrubs to everyone..would you have then moaned calling them liars or would you see it as an example of the amount of money that could be freed up by leaving europe

Yes i certainly believe its a campaign not a political party - both the Remain and Leave are simply campaigns not political parties and thus hold no power.

Even if they were political parties, just because they lay out what they WILL do, carries zero weight.

Political party manifestos, what they say they WILL do; are often filled with arbitrary, over-ambitious targets and pledges to some special interest group.

To claim that their slogan/poster was just a mere suggestion is, i would suggest disingenuous. It didnt say 'we could give the £350 million on the NHS' it said 'Lets us give the NHS' which implies that if voted out it will be given to the NHS.

The poster/slogan doesn't mention such things as 'giving free back rubs' (using your example) or anything like that because no-one would believe that, but people have believed the false claim that it will go to the NHS. They may be stupid to believe that, they may be naive to believe that but the fact remains they have believed it and soon they wont be happy.

The very fact that Farage & Johnson have since distanced themselves from the claim tells you that people have believed it and Farage and Co now realise it was a mistake.

Exactly Dave.
Add on to that that anyone that votes because of those posters is a numpty that clearly doesn't understand how it works. Much of that money that went to the EU would have come back to us in the form of subsidies grants etc across the whole of the UK, for a host of different things. So for someone to think that we would ignore all those things and just spend it all on the nhs- they deserve to be conned (even though they weren't).

Im not sure they deserve to be conned - they felt , rightly or wrongly that they were informed via posters, along with the continued headlines in the media that £350 million could go to the NHS.

You know its bunkum, i know its bunkum but vast swathes of people obviously believed it....

My point in all this is that the leave campaign was fraudulent from the get go... fraudulent figures, fraudulent stats & fraudulent claims.

For the record i also think 'the Remain' was also lacklustre, uninspired & pathetic

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[Dave B]

Don't forget fraudulant also for the remain lot

They don't have a clue what will happen now yet made claims that it would all turn to rat **** once we vote out

 

[TolishAPurd]

Threats off Obama, media bias, ww3, etc.

 

[Spartan]

Don't forget fraudulant also for the remain lotThey don't have a clue what will happen now yet made claims that it would all turn to rat **** once we vote out

Well claims are not definite.... they are a claim and thus a possibility of events, not the actual way things will play out....

Threats off Obama, media bias, ww3, etc.

Obama wasn't part of the 'Leave campaign' and neither are the media....