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Taking Work Off Trad Guy

Pure water should always be used.... i wouldnt ever use tap water... well i might use water up to 10ppm but no more /emoticons/smile.png U have to be professional !

 
i ahve used tap water with customer hose to clean a really bad conservatory roof, then after i finished it i cleaned it down with pure water!

 
I lost a job to a trad guy. I asked the customer why. They said I didn't do a proper job. I asked if windows where dirty when I left. They told me they were not but still didn't think I was doing a proper job. I then explained that they had been offered a safer alternative so if their new windie falls off his ladder she was open for prosecution.

 
To be honest mate a custie don't care about saftey as long as they get there windows cleaned & if they think a trad guy can clean them better they will go with it. A lot of my custies I got off wfp because they feel they get a better clean & saftey don't come into it. How can a custie be prosecuted if a person falls off a ladder. Surely it's down to the windy?

 
How can a custie be prosecuted if a person falls off a ladder. Surely it's down to the windy?
no its down to the customer. as they are the employer of the window cleaning, it is down to them to make sure ladders are safe and the person is capable to use them!

 
I suppose that would also work the other way round RC with wfp if theres an accident, if a custie hasn't checked the pole, brush, hoses, electrical system, health and capabilities of windie (ie can he actually hold that pole up there without dropping it on someone) and if they haven't checked that a risk assessment etc hasn't been carried out.

I'm taking a little work off a wfp guy as I've said but I've told the custies that if he was doing it right it should be as good as the job I'm doing, I've only pointed out the obvious faults. I don't really think anyone ought to come out with stuff like that because it works both ways and I'm pretty sure most tradders wouldn't point out all those points to a custie. I get ya were miffed that they said ya didn't do a proper job especially as they agreed they were clean, best just accept some people don't like change and let us trad guys earn a living too.

 
I suppose that would also work the other way round RC with wfp if theres an accident, if a custie hasn't checked the pole, brush, hoses, electrical system, health and capabilities of windie (ie can he actually hold that pole up there without dropping it on someone) and if they haven't checked that a risk assessment etc hasn't been carried out.
basicly yer thats right! at the end of the day they are the employer!

 
basicly yer thats right! at the end of the day they are the employer!
Thought so mate cheers!
WFP guys always seem to be playing those cards but I don't think they realise that laws like that work both ways and it really is worth knowing.

 
Thought so mate cheers!

WFP guys always seem to be playing those cards but I don't think they realise that laws like that work both ways and it really is worth knowing.
its worse for us WFP guys as we are ment to do so much more to protect the area around us with cones and tape etc etc!

 
Ahh rite. I never knew that. Good point that dodger. Wfp guys do use the saftey aspect a lot to get work but as said the custie just wants his windows cleaned & also most of the time there not in even in if they wanted to check. As RC says they also have the prob with trailing hoses & things & what would happen if there pole snapped while cleaning over a Connie. It does work both ways I Spose.

 
Yeah stuff like roping off as far as ya pole would reach if it fell must be a sphere ache but again how many domestic wfp guys do that or anything like it come to think of it so really who's the farthest away from the letter of the law

Just finding it interesting by the way, I'm getting my own stuff sorted for pub I got to do as it's a really busy junction and I'm doing upstairs wfp and taking advice from you and others here about the safety side of it.

 
Yeah stuff like roping off as far as ya pole would reach if it fell must be a sphere ache but again how many domestic wfp guys do that or anything like it come to think of it so really who's the farthest away from the letter of the law

Just finding it interesting by the way, I'm getting my own stuff sorted for pub I got to do as it's a really busy junction and I'm doing upstairs wfp and taking advice from you and others here about the safety side of it.
i have roped of sections and layed out signs for jobs where there are public about.

for that pub you would have to put signs out, cones out behind you to stop anyone walking by while you are doing it.

 
Maybe us trad guys are nearer to the letter of the law then the wfp guys lol. Have never seen a wfp guy with cones & that out and there hoses have been all over the road path the lot. Mind you if you did everything that you are Spose to do you would prob clean 1 house a day lol.

 
Maybe us trad guys are nearer to the letter of the law then the wfp guys lol. Have never seen a wfp guy with cones & that out and there hoses have been all over the road path the lot. Mind you if you did everything that you are Spose to do you would prob clean 1 house a day lol.
not really coz if you read the HSE on it, it discourages the use of ladders and to use other means of cleaning like wfp etc!

here are a few of the jobs that i use them on! and thats not the only ones!

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I have cones, the dam things seem to take up loads of room in my tiny van but they're just as important as my pole. Could do with some tape though, where do you guys get yours from?

 

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