I was looking at another forum I used to go on before this one called clean it up. There's 2 posts on there. 1 is called ladder brigade and one is called why are you trad. The wfp guys totally slag us tradys off. It's a right ole ding dong on there and getting quite heated. We're old hat and should be in madam Tussaud and were not real windys etc. what I'm trying to say is how different this site is and how helpful the wfp guys are on this site and have never once seen a post where a wfp guy slags off a trady. I thank you for that.