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Diwrnach

New window cleaner basing business off bashing wfp



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Smurf

Now that would be interesting but think it would just end up in a slagging match trad v wfp again.

 

I may invite him to the forum, so he can explain it to us all.

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Diwrnach
You could always try reporting him to trading standards if you wanted as his site is how you would say misleading to say the least.

 

Misleading is a nice way of putting it lol.

 

Not sure I would want to go that far, I don't want to drive him out of business or make things difficult, I just don't like people lying to others like this, it just isn't fair to not only others in the business but to the customer as well.

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Diwrnach

The one thing I have learned doing this job, is that there is no one way or one solution that fits all.

 

You have to adapt to each job, some gutter cleans need a quick hoover and job done, some need the ladder out, bends off etc etc, I don't limit myself to one method, I still carry my trad gear in the car along side my wfp gear.

 

Just stupid to shoe horn yourself into one single way of doing things and slag off every other way, especially as it seems he is slagging off the most modern way of doing things now, my guess is he is short of cash or his vehicle isn't very big so he can't upgrade to a gutter hoover and WFP so decided to just slag those methods off as much as possible instead.

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Smurf

There are plenty of cleaners not just him that will talk to customers and post utter tosh on the internet trying to discredit others just so to sell their own services in what I would call an unprofessional manner.

 

Yes I could do this quite easily myself but at the end of the day ppl are not stupid and know when they are being fleeced.

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Smurf

Now might be a good time to copy & paste what he has sent you on here and invite him to comment as I would like to express my views too.:rolleyes:

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Diwrnach

His message to me was this "You silly little coward of a man I hope and prey you come to Bourton to clean as I want to meet you face to face let's see how cocky and smug you are then. I promise you this I will meet you face to face even if I have to come to you. You know I am right your just pissed off. I like the fact you don't know me or about me. I should excuse you for that but I am not going purely due to the fact your a spinless prick."

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Guest boarcity

i wouldnt worry, his tactic smacks of desperation. a new lad has set up in my town recently- advertizing that he will better anybodys price , plus every 8th clean is free . i already hear on the grapevine that its not goin to plan .

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Diwrnach

Now he has calmed right down now that he realises that the town is full of my family for start, and secondly I am no little wallflower :)

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Diwrnach

Hope so smurf, I harbour no ill will and hate violence, but I won't back down and I won't sit back and watch someone lie out of their back teeth to people to try and get ne over on me, there really is no need for it, plenty of windows for everyone.

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Diwrnach

Though it has kept me busy for the day, took today off as I had a dicky turn last night with my heart, and always wiped out the following day, which is one of the reasons I started working for myself over 10 years ago now :)

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Diwrnach

Its all good mate, it happens now and then, have had heart problems since I was 26, had a heart attack no one can explain lol.

 

To be honest since I started power lifting a couple of years ago my heart problems have lightened up quite a bit, "funny turns" as I call them happen quite rarely now :)

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Tuffers

Why are you getting so worked up? I don't get it. I might be wrong, but you sound like you're fearing he's going to take your work.

 

Just get on with making your own living and ignore him, unless he slates you personally, then meet him face to face.

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Diwrnach
Why are you getting so worked up? I don't get it. I might be wrong, but you sound like you're fearing he's going to take your work.

 

Just get on with making your own living and ignore him, unless he slates you personally, then meet him face to face.

 

Yeah true enough, just Bourtons not a big place and not many of us around, and only two of us in this area I know of use water fed pole, so took it pretty personally.

 

You are right though :)

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TolishAPurd

I don't want to play devils advocate here, but I see a lot of anti trad propaganda from WFPers too. But that said, his advert does come across a bit desperate. And I'm always sceptical of anyone that states they'll come at a certain day and time on a window cleaning round- its a recipe for reduced earnings and customer disapointment IMHO. Smacks of a noob entering the scene to me and he'll regret tying himself down like that when things get busier.

 

1 golden rule about professional marketing is to sells your own attributes, not bad mouth others whether it be percieved or actual. I really don't like the part where he mentions WFPers being on £100 an hour or whatever, its just disrespectful to the trade and fellow tradesmen.

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TolishAPurd
Just knock the fecker out and be done with it. ..sorry the raki is taking

Calm down Bricktop.

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Diwrnach
I don't want to play devils advocate here, but I see a lot of anti trad propaganda from WFPers too. But that said, his advert does come across a bit desperate. And I'm always sceptical of anyone that states they'll come at a certain day and time on a window cleaning round- its a recipe for reduced earnings and customer disapointment IMHO. Smacks of a noob entering the scene to me and he'll regret tying himself down like that when things get busier.

 

1 golden rule about professional marketing is to sells your own attributes, not bad mouth others whether it be percieved or actual. I really don't like the part where he mentions WFPers being on £100 an hour or whatever, its just disrespectful to the trade and fellow tradesmen.

 

You should check out his website if you think his advert is bad.

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TolishAPurd
You should check out his website if you think his advert is bad.

I already did. Its pretty poor. I can see why he'd get peoples back up, but I wouldn't let it bother you too much. If hes spouting that on his site then hes probably talking the same $h*t in the street. He'll be about as popular as a fart in a space suit, which is no way to start a business IMO.

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Bilko's Privates

Iv'e been window cleaning for well over twenty years now, so I know all about traditional and wfp methods.

You can talk all you want about which method gives the best results but in my option it's always wfp because it's about health & safety.

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TolishAPurd
Iv'e been window cleaning for well over twenty years now, so I know all about traditional and wfp methods.

You can talk all you want about which method gives the best results but in my option it's always wfp because it's about health & safety.

I reckon it has more to do with the window cleaner, and not the method. If you reckon WFP is so much better, then maybe you weren't a very good tradder? Btw, you're on a forum with a mix of WFPers and tradders- have some respect.

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Diwrnach

For me personally I find WFP better, but there is nothing at all wrong with trad, and I also firmly believe one will be better than the other depending on the situation, having both is in my opinion the best way :)

 

Also agree with the above, I have seen some shocking trad work, there is a charity shop near me a trad guy was doing the other day, it was bloody awful, that doesn't mean trad is bad, just he was bad at it.

 

Same applies to WFP, think a lot of the issues arise from people seeing window cleaning as an easy no skill job anyone can do, so they either have a bit of cash and buy WFP so they don't have to climb ladders or whatever, have no idea how to use it and make a right mess of it not rinsing down properly etc and leaving it covered in water marks.

 

Same with trad, only costs a hundred quid or something to set up without any idea what they are doing and make a right mess of that as well.

 

Both are good, both work, or both are crap and neither work, all down to the operator of each :)

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Diwrnach

The biggest positive for me for WFP is how I can really easily clean the hard to trad windows, above connie roofs, dormas, veluxs etc

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Tuffers
I reckon it has more to do with the window cleaner, and not the method. If you reckon WFP is so much better, then maybe you weren't a very good tradder? Btw, you're on a forum with a mix of WFPers and tradders- have some respect.

 

I don't think he is being disrespectful, he's giving us his point of view.

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TolishAPurd
I don't think he is being disrespectful, he's giving us his point of view.

1st post coming on to tell everyone that he thinks WFP is better then trad. I personally think hes trolling, but who knows.

 

Iv'e been window cleaning for well over twenty years now, so I know all about traditional and wfp methods.

No one knows all about any method, we are always learning. You can be a bad window cleaner for 20 years. Like the time I chatted to a window cleaner that had been doing it for 20+years(apprentice trained apparently), yet his technique reminded me of my first sexual encounter- clumsey and messy.

 

You can talk all you want about which method gives the best results but in my option it's always wfp because it's about health & safety.

 

Huge contradiction here: He states that WFP gives the best results, and then says its because of health and safety? Two totally seperate issues. Health and safety is about health and safety- it has no concern for the quality of the workmanship. All the HSE cares about is that people and employees are safe.

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Tuffers
1st post coming on to tell everyone that he thinks WFP is better then trad. I personally think hes trolling, but who knows.

 

 

No one knows all about any method, we are always learning. You can be a bad window cleaner for 20 years. Like the time I chatted to a window cleaner that had been doing it for 20+years(apprentice trained apparently), yet his technique reminded me of my first sexual encounter- clumsey and messy.

 

 

 

Huge contradiction here: He states that WFP gives the best results, and then says its because of health and safety? Two totally seperate issues. Health and safety is about health and safety- it has no concern for the quality of the workmanship. All the HSE cares about is that people and employees are safe.

 

Like he said, he knows both methods and for him WFP gives the best results, in his opinion. Not being disrespectful TAP, but have you used both methods?

 

I personally feel that there is a place for both, but if I can WFP a job instead of trad it, I will. It's quicker, safer, earns you your money quicker and on Georgians and leaded lights it definitely cleans better.

 

There you go, that's my opinion and I'm right :thumbsup:

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