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Is It Getting Past a Joke Now - Migrants Turning Up Left Right and Centre



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Guest Jacob

Well a report from over here. Latest news is that my countrys government is now BUYING villas and nice houses a normal worker only would dream about for yes the bloody invaders! They also jump the que to get a apartment in front of all of us who paid taxes and contributed to the society for years and decades. The madness has to stop for all EU countries this cannot go on like now, they only come here for money and a life of doing nothing but shout infidels after all us hard working men and women. Feck em they can go back and rot in thier :turd: country!!!

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Guest MrBump

This is all complete propoganda, just trying to create a fear within this country. Unfortunately, its working. And we all know why they like us to be in fear as a society, it makes us docile and more likely to get in line and accept the status quo and not do things about the real issues in this skewed capitilist society. News is negative, never positive. Same thing every year as we surrender any freedom and control we once had over our own lives bit by bit. If you want to know where your control has gone, just follow the money trail. Sadly even the BBC is no longer totally independent as it once was.

 

Not all of the immigrants/refugees even want to come here! It ain't that great here, it rains in the summer for starters! ;) And if you look into it, not only have we have been the main ones from europe medalling in the middle east (on both sides of the fence) over the past 4 decades or so, so if anything we owe them and yet refugees from syria how many applied for asylum here - 9,500, yet in germany 800,000! Why is anyone here even caring, there isn't even a comparison between the two numbers, we should be embarrassed! Also places like sweden are opening their arms and their hearts to fellow humans in need. And good on them. What would you do if your family, friends, homes, businesses etc were getting blown to bits? With all the hatred towards anyone different and wanting to build the walls of jericho around this country that we just happened to be born in by chance, its no wonder that half the world think we are douches and would rather go to germany or sweden or elsewhere.

 

Of course don't forget its fine to buy in cheap clothes / trainers made cheaply elsewhere, to buy up all the farms in africa and ship the food here and let them starve, to bring in materials / fuels / metals / plastics in from around the world and cheap electronics and have a 'free-market', but if anyone needs our help then fuck 'em... That seems a little hypocritical and selfish to me.

 

One world, no passport. No body has any right to stop anyone going anywhere! Especially not some unvoted bigwig or 'royalty' or inherited land owner from hundreds of years ago who carved up the world with borders to contain their wealth and control. Englands past isn't exactly perfect is it. Its not 'them and us', it is all of us on one planet and we should all work together for the common good. We say we can't handle any more and aren't able to help anyone else but be an example not part of the dog eat dog machine that corrupts out world. Don't point the finger at others or other countries saying they don't do this or that so we shouldn't either, didn't your mother ever tell you to just worry about what your doing.

 

I love different places, different cultures, different histories and so on, but that doesn't mean that in this day and age there shouldn't be a total freedom of movement and understanding of one another and respect that we are all equal. It doesn't matter where you are from, colour, age, gender etc, there are good and bad people all over the earth including the uk, and its whats inside that counts. As you can see this always gets me totally worked up, so I'll leave it here and let everyone else have their say :D

 

Ps. Green I am shocked at your point of view considering you have said yourself that you and your wife are both from off this island. It baffles me :confused:

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Diwrnach

In utopia you are correct, we don't live in utopia we have limeted resources we can't house the whole damn world,we are one of the most population dense countries on the planet,we,are,full.....

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Diwrnach

Look at Bradford if that was happening in Africa we would be holding concerts and demonising the people displacing the indigenous population. It's genocide.

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Guest MrBump

We can try and if that fails, then try harder. Most would rather go elsewhere anyway, its all just needless panic try to affect the eu poll outcome and to bring in some more rules to extend the control over us all. Look at the stats, I think its >5% of immigrants come here and get benefits, most work or try to better themselves. Its just easier to make stories of the 5% and scaremonger to get votes etc, than to diss the 30% or so lazy peeps already here and lose votes.

 

Not saying its perfect over here, because its not and I totall abhor violence in bradford and so on but thats no reason to give up hope, in many areas the uk has even totally changed its identity. But that happens over time, we were once vikings and romans and so on. One day the world will be free and everyone will just be from the earth not a single country and there will be no passports and so on, but until that day lets aim for it. Its not utopia, its evolution, or if it is utopia then that sounds like a good ideal to aim for.

 

If you are in a room with 5 strangers with one loaf of bread, what do you do? Do you share and go hungry for however long after or fight and keep it all to yourself and let them starve? I know what my right thing to do is, but everyone has their own opinion.

 

Another thing to think about, put a load of kids from around the world in a room and they all play together just fine, irrespective, put different adults in and its hit and miss depending on their upbringing, we learn to fear other cultures, we aren't born with it. One day we will 'un' learn it and all will be well :thumbsup:

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Guest Jacob

Mr bump you mEntion sweden as a open people. Hmm yes that might be true but do you know that in Malmoe alone since newyears has blown around 50 handgrantes all over they city? Thats one city alone, things are very bad in all of sweden due to muslim invasion.

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Diwrnach
Mr bump you mEntion sweden as a open people. Hmm yes that might be true but do you know that in Malmoe alone since newyears has blown around 50 handgrantes all over they city? Thats one city alone, things are very bad in all of sweden due to muslim invasion.

You need to be more tollerent :P

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Guest MrBump

Jacob in america they are shooting themselves, it doesn't matter where your from or what colour. I'm not saying there aren't things wrong, there are countless things wrong, just saying that we should help those in need.

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cheapncheerful

ME LIKES BOTH SIDES...but...

 

well...Im not good at maths...but..

 

like if we as a country have......er...

 

unemployed peoples..that is,...peoples that can not find a job...er...

 

well why do we needs more peoples..cause like we got enough peoples that aint got a job..

 

yep I can see and understand bumpys view.. but...we have peoples already that use er...what do you call them...food banks...hmmmm well it makes you think ..:D

 

but me does love all peoples....

 

even those with bigger dicks than me..ya lucky barstewards...c est la vie.

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Tuffers

Ok Mr Bump some good reading there. What p155es me off is seeing Somalians, Pakistanis etc walking round our cities carrying on speaking in their own language, dressing in bin liners, not bothering to pay road tax, not bothering to take a driving test.... Basically treating this country like their own :turd:hole of a country and not bothering to integrate. If they want to carry on like they're in Africa or Asia why the f@ck do they bother coming/raise generations? Oh yes, everything is free!!!!!!

 

Question: how many of your elder customers like immigrants in this country? I tell you what, most of mine moan about it.

 

Any of them bother to enlist in the British army? Would they fight for their adopted country?

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Diwrnach

That always makes me laugh as well, they flee their own shit hole of a country and then try and turn their adoptive country into the shit hole they left.

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Diwrnach

Just out of interest why are they fleeing to Europe across a sea when they are next to Oil rich Gulf States which are nearer and safer to get to.......... And are Muslim?

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Diwrnach

Just a little statistic, there are currently half a MILLION people homeless in this country and in London 1 in 25 children are born homeless.

 

Yeah, we can take in loads more people......

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Dave B

I would like to point out that this utopia nonsense will never work

Put me in a room of people with 1 loaf of bread and I'll be the 1 in the corner with a full stomach

Yes we should all get along but that is human nature to fight to survive in this dog eat dog world

And when this country is so full of people that our government can't feed and house our own homeless why should we add to the problem with non nationals

If we helped sort out the countries they are fleeing from so the whole world got along then there would be no problem and this utopia you speak of mrbump would be possible but as it is we ignore the underlying problems and just let people come here instead

Unless of course these troubled countries have oil like iraq then we'll all follow america in in the name of peace and destroying evil dictators..don't see that happening in africa do we where they have nothing we want

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Diwrnach

Oh and England is the second most densely populated country in Europe.

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Diwrnach

Muslims want THEIR uptopia anyway, one where everyone is either muslim or dead.

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Guest MrBump

I'm a dreamer tuffers and cheapie :D There are plenty of foreigners breaking rules, but also plenty abiding by them, speaking english, working hard etc. Same goes for us english, some play nice, also plenty of local lads on benefits, don't work or pay taxes, rob, steal and so on. With the right education things will improve.

 

I do agree though that if you live somewhere you should attempt to learn the language at the very least and I would prefer english in public though I admit, although I don't mind too much. I bet if you went over and asked them what they were talking about it would just be the same stuff you were talking to your mates about, football, girls and beer - we're all the same on the inside :D Its a slow process, this integration malarky, but given time these issues will iron themselves out as much as they can, it wouldn't be perfect without any foreigners either, all those bad things still happen.

 

Not bothered about what the old people think, times move on, you can't hold grudges and predujices from previous generations or the world will never heal, I only care what my son will think when he's an adult.

 

I wouldn't fight for my country, let alone ask someone else to, not in any of the bollox wars over money, oil and religion our government and big businesses decide to get involved in anyway lol. Better ask the ghurkas instead :thumbsup:

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Guest MrBump

:thumbsdown: Then daveyboy I will be with the rest of the group putting you in your place and sharing the loaf amongst ourselves. The world is what we make if it, if you become part of the dog eat dog philosophy that has become engrained within our capitalist society then that is what will perpetuate. I point blank refuse to be dog eat dog. I am dog help/share/respect dog. Its less common human nature to be dog eat dog, its more common human nature to work together and build a community, the less common dog eat dogs just ruin it for the rest of us.

 

Daveyboy is our country in ruin because of the people moving here or because of the people in charge? Its called shifting the blame or smoke and mirrors. Is it the minority on benefits fleeing from certain death that are making us bankrupt or the locals who have been on benefits for generations, or maybe it could be the banks, financial institutions and the rich keeping all the of the money to themselves? We need robin hood to make a reappearance! :D

 

Anyway we're all stubborn barstewards, it's like the blind leading the blind in here. I just hope your never in need when the only people around you who can help are from another country/culture/colour etc ;)

 

Dirwnach I've just seen your last post, that makes me laugh, I've never heard such a sweeping stereotype before. Ironic, because that sounds to me like just the kind of extremist talk you are hating against! Go talk to some people first hand before judging a whole culture.

 

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"

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Guest Jacob

Mrbump you are a nice lad i am sure, but we in the western world can feed all the people who only want europe for the money and freedom to preach their hate towards us, in their eyes infidels. And i just dont think you can say well bombs blowing off is ok because they have guns and shoot in usa??!? What they do in usa has to do with their mentality towards self protection not something to with muslims. Over here we have lived safe good lifes for years because our ancestors have build europe to the heaven it is, but it is soon turning into hell if we dont say stop towards all the socalled refugees who seek europe for their own benefit, not becaue they want to make it a better place.

 

If you where in a room with muslims and one loaf of bread, do you think they would share with you, like you would share with them?

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peter rogers

@MrBump bit of a dreamer arent ya:P r u from liverpool at all ??? any relation to john lennon ?

 

u have to remember all these people yes they r human and deserve a chance but why here ??

 

they pass so many top countries and the country they r trying to get out of is france

 

 

whats wrong with france ??

 

 

farms and farms and more farms

 

they can get jobs and houses if they work.. but the most of them want hand outs

 

i feel sorry for the genuine ones that have something to offer over here

 

i say should break off from rest of europe but uk wont because of the lies and scarmongering going on

 

when the english goverment realised a while ago that there was a good chance scotland would break off they had every mp up in scotland scarmongering

 

this is very entertaining

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Guest MrBump

Everybody who has dark skin or a muslim isn't an extremist! You think us in the western world are any better?! We invade the middle east all the time, iraq from both sides several times, palestine we turn a blind eye too, syria, etc. We go round bombing everyone ourselves but because we do it with suitcases and fancy planes that makes it ok?

 

And how can you say america is different because thats their mentality for self preservation, don't you think its the middle easts mentality for self preservation because america is gunning them up all the time?

 

We have not built up europe into the heaven it is without raping the rest of the world for its resources! You hate the middle east yet uses its oil. Hate africa yet eat all its food. Hate asia yet buy all its cheap goods. And europe constantly meddles in everyone elses affairs to keep everyone else third world and itself up top so it can continue its ways. Only a few decades ago europe itself was tearing itself apart!

 

Yes I think they would share with me. But it depends on the person not the religion. As far as I know daveyboy is white and european and he said he'd eat it to himself. Don't stereotype a whole culture fro a minorities actions, its easy to do both ways.

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Guest MrBump

Whats wrong with france? Haha Peter you joker :P:D

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Guest Jacob

And how can you say america is different because thats their mentality for self preservation, don't you think its the middle easts mentality for self preservation because america is gunning them up all the time?

but America is not gunning them Down in Sweden nor the swedes!! yet they shout, scream and throw granates like they are in the middeleast.

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Jake

I agree with a lot of what your saying Mr bump,

 

It's a tough one because if our country was in disarray, and we were fleeing for our lives then we'd want the richer nations to help us out, think of your children, it would be awful,

 

At the same time I do believe Britain has lost its identity completly,but that's not just because of migration, that's because society has gone down hill massively, and that is almost exclusively down to the collapse in family's, children are messed up these days.

 

My mum is a school teacher, we'll retired this year, but she has seen a huge huge change in children since the divorce rate has gone up. Divorce destroys family's, then we wonder why the younger generations are growing up in a complete mess. Lack of discipline, lack of love, lack of fathers. Add to that the TV kids watch these days - it's a mess.

 

Sorry if this offends anyone, but it's plain to see, it starts in the family...

 

Don't all get offended, this is just my observations, and the observations from my mum who's been a teacher for over 40 years.

 

Society will continue to get worse in this country with or without migrants, that is gaurenteed..

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Guest MrBump

Jakes totally agree. Both on parenting/divorce and tv :D

 

Jacob yes america goes around the middle east throwing grenades and bombing innocent people over there, same as muslims have done in sweden, only a hundreds times more and with bigger bombs and suits on. Then uses their oil money to pay american investors to rebuild it all.

 

In a similiar respect as Jake has just pointed out in our own country, it starts with upbringing, imagine growing up in a country that america and europe has been bombing and trashing your homes and killing innocents, how would you feel or act? Its amazing there are still so many genuine people left from these areas. Don't stereotype, wherever you are from I bet I could stereotype your whole country too

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Guest MrBump

Ok sons first day at school I better go haha :D I'll let you guys continue this debate on whether we should let helpless desperate people, including children, die just because we stereotype their whole culture :eek:

 

Have a nice day :)

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Guest SolarPanelCleaning
walking round our cities carrying on speaking in their own language, and not bothering to integrate.

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Sounds like the English???????

 

Not long since you were beaten by English teachers for speaking Welsh in Wales!!!!!

 

There's so much I disagree with on this thread and hypocrisy and hyperbole, I just can't be arsed.

 

I've already had this debate on here, glad Mr bump has grabbed the batten.

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Diwrnach

It's not hyperbole when British people are predicted to be a minority in their own country in the next 30 years.

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Diwrnach

By the way the name for that is genocide, but it's fine because we are British and deserve it, all loving and caring and bending over backwards to help as long as not British.

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Guest SolarPanelCleaning

You're denying your use of hyperbole with another hyperbolic statement???

 

Also:

 

genocide

ˈdʒɛnəsʌɪd/

noun

  1. the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular nation or ethnic group.
     
     
    Really?
     
     

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