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adamangler

why are you spending nearly 2 grand and selling part of your round just tp go wfp

sounds insane to me.

 

If you already have a van and your tds is low enough to be d.i only theres no need to spend more than 500 quid if you go the secondhand route.

 

i started wfp for about 200 quid at first i made a d.i.y trolley and a harris pole setup... even a van mount is cheap..its only a water container a battery a pump and some hose at the end of the day its not rocket science mate

 

my current system is

 

250 tank £50 ebay

70ah battery £45 ebay

chinese pump £15 ebay

hoselock reel £30 b&q

100m microbore £50 ebay

2x d,i vessels £70 ebay

 

plus a few fittings

 

i have an slx 22

 

but i started with a harris pole and a tesco floorbrush!, made some jets for it and used 8mm fishtank hose from b&q - that pole cost me £30 ish and i used it for 2 months before buying an slx

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kev
the van system i got to start I bought 350l second hand tank and 100m reel canny mind price to be honest

getting van fitted was the easiest part took it to local garage they fitted pump relay battery, no problems at all.the van system has never let me down from day one

nothing wrong with clx that was my first pole.

have you checked your water also

Did they bolt the tank to the floor and all that too? And how much did it cost? I haven't checked my water but i know i live in a really soft water area.

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kev
Me too £60 tank off eBay second hand - I have had **** poles in past so I would say put money into SLX 30

Then you can add sections if needed

I just dont know much about it but the quote i got was the cheapest i could find to get it done professionally. How much do you reckon i could do it for? All fitted properly and with a decent pole

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peter rogers

any mecanic will bolt tank frame in for no more than a 100

 

 

and do yourself a favour and get a bigger tank min 500 as with a round of 300 and growing uel find yourself running out to ofetn and having to moniter ur flow during the summer and brighter weeks

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kev
why are you spending nearly 2 grand and selling part of your round just tp go wfp

sounds insane to me.

 

If you already have a van and your tds is low enough to be d.i only theres no need to spend more than 500 quid if you go the secondhand route.

 

i started wfp for about 200 quid, its only a water container a battery a pump and some hose at the end of the day its not rocket science mate

I dont want to sell it but circumstances are forcing me too. Yeah i'd be d.i only but i'd want it to produce pure water from the van rather than having to make my own at home as i live in a flat and it would be a lot less hassle. Do you honestly think i could do it for £500!!

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kev
any mecanic will bolt tank frame in for no more than a 100

 

 

and do yourself a favour and get a bigger tank min 500 as with a round of 300 and growing uel find yourself running out to ofetn and having to moniter ur flow during the summer and brighter weeks

What about a cage though? The guy who i got the quote off reckons a garage would charge £400 to do it properly. I can only get a 350 litre tank because my van has a 595kg max load or i would get a 500 litre tank. It's all circumstances

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Taxlossloz

So it's Agreed ! We all say DONT sell off your existing customers and years of income - and don't spend £1800 on a setup

Search this forum previous threads it's all there to read Kev - it's a big step after 19 years so all the best

You won't regret it mate I did same thing

Oh and you could do with backpack there essential in my experience ( quick , portable and a back up pump for emergencies )

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adamangler

How can you produce pure water from the van?

 

yes you could do it for less than 500 without a doubt, give me 500 and drive here and i will do it myself lol

 

If you are determined to get a frame and bolt it to the floor then thats going to add cost, but you should still be able to d.i.y it

 

Im a d.i.y guy though, i wont pay for anything that i can do myself, never used a garage yet for anything other than an M.O.T.

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Taxlossloz
What about a cage though? The guy who i got the quote off reckons a garage would charge £400 to do it properly. I can only get a 350 litre tank because my van has a 595kg max load or i would get a 500 litre tank. It's all circumstances

For one man 350 is plenty

And if your DI is in van you can top up on job

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kev
why are you spending nearly 2 grand and selling part of your round just tp go wfp

sounds insane to me.

 

If you already have a van and your tds is low enough to be d.i only theres no need to spend more than 500 quid if you go the secondhand route.

 

i started wfp for about 200 quid at first i made a d.i.y trolley and a harris pole setup... even a van mount is cheap..its only a water container a battery a pump and some hose at the end of the day its not rocket science mate

 

my current system is

 

250 tank £50 ebay

70ah battery £45 ebay

chinese pump £15 ebay

hoselock reel £30 b&q

100m microbore £50 ebay

2x d,i vessels £70 ebay

 

plus a few fittings

 

i have an slx 22

 

but i started with a harris pole and a tesco floorbrush!, made some jets for it and used 8mm fishtank hose from b&q - that pole cost me £30 ish and i used it for 2 months before buying an slx

Sounds a bit better that! My main concern is that it is bolted to the floor securely and cheaply as possible. I know it's no rocket science but it can seem like hassle when you can get it all done at once in a day or two all securely and floor waterproofed

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kev
How can you produce pure water from the van?

 

yes you could do it for less than 500 without a doubt, give me 500 and drive here and i will do it myself lol

 

If you are determined to get a frame and bolt it to the floor then thats going to add cost, but you should still be able to d.i.y it

 

Im a d.i.y guy though, i wont pay for anything that i can do myself, never used a garage yet for anything other than an M.O.T.

Someone said to me it's just something you fit in the van that makes it pure on site. A case of filling the tank up with water from the tap and that is it. Isn't doing it yourself bad for insurance purposes?

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adamangler

Why not get a backpack, a pole and a trolley setup first?

 

Another alernative to a tank is to make a d.i.y trolley and leave it in the van and connect a reel of microbore to it, then you have a van mount and a trolley in one.

Buy 10+ barrels for cheap off ebay and away you go

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kev
For one man 350 is plenty

And if your DI is in van you can top up on job

Yeah that's what i am looking to do mate that would be ideal. I couldn't fill the tank from my flat i'd have to go to my sisters after work and fill it then if i need to top up at work just do it from a customers outside tap with a hose. Was thinking i probably wouldn't go through more than 500 or 600 litre on a good day just going by what i've seen other people saying

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adamangler
Someone said to me it's just something you fit in the van that makes it pure on site. A case of filling the tank up with water from the tap and that is it. Isn't doing it yourself bad for insurance purposes?

 

Insurance is going to be a grey area, yes i think to do it properly you would have to have an way of mounting the tank that is insurance approved.

 

me personally i have a 250 tank ratchet strapped in, its not declared as a mod as imo isnt a permanent fixture just goods in transit

 

many people will have views on the insurance implications and whats right or wrong, it depends what you are happy with i suppose

 

 

You would have to be going some to use 500+ litres of water, ive never used 250 yet but ive only done 15 houses max before in a day

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kev
Why not get a backpack, a pole and a trolley setup first?

 

Another alernative to a tank is to make a d.i.y trolley and leave it in the van and connect a reel of microbore to it, then you have a van mount and a trolley in one.

Buy 10+ barrels for cheap off ebay and away you go

I've thought about that in the past but i dont fancy all the carry on filling and changing barrels mate

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kev
Insurance is going to be a grey area, yes i think to do it properly you would have to have an way of mounting the tank that is insurance approved.

 

me personally i have a 250 tank ratchet strapped in, its not declared as a mod as imo isnt a permanent fixture just goods in transit

 

many people will have views on the insurance implications and whats right or wrong, it depends what you are happy with i suppose

 

 

You would have to be going some to use 500+ litres of water, ive never used 250 yet but ive only done 15 houses max before in a day

Yeah i'd need to have piece of mind that it was secure for insurance purposes and plus safety. I thought 350 litre would be ok and just top up if i ever needed to. Cheers

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adamangler

If you have the floorspace on the van, then 10 barrels is not much harder to fill up than a tank, just put the D.I by the van door, connect hose from custies tap to it and other side out into your barrels as you fill up.

 

put your trolley next to the barrels. get a y splitter on the pump inlet side so you can draw from two (or more) at a time and away you go, no van mods needed no insurance implications job done.

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adamangler

The bottom line is if you are set on having a cage and insurance approved fitting its going to cost you more, if you a bit dodgy and want cheap it can be done.

way i see it is you have to do what you have to do

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steve garwood

Agree with adamangler. You can use ratchet straps, but get the industrial strength ones. Insurance isn't a problem as they are not a permanent fixture. Go for it kev, it will drive you insane the first couple of months with teething problems, but after that you will wonder how you managed without it

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kev
If you have the floorspace on the van, then 10 barrels is not much harder to fill up than a tank, just put the D.I by the van door, connect hose from custies tap to it and other side out into your barrels as you fill up.

 

put your trolley next to the barrels. get a y splitter on the pump inlet side so you can draw from two (or more) at a time and away you go, no van mods needed no insurance implications job done.

What would be the reason for drawing more water from two barrels at the same time mate?

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kev
The bottom line is if you are set on having a cage and insurance approved fitting its going to cost you more, if you a bit dodgy and want cheap it can be done.

way i see it is you have to do what you have to do

I get you mate. Cool

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kev
Agree with adamangler. You can use ratchet straps, but get the industrial strength ones. Insurance isn't a problem as they are not a permanent fixture. Go for it kev, it will drive you insane the first couple of months with teething problems, but after that you will wonder how you managed without it

So is that the way it works because it isn't a permanent fixture?! What would the straps be strapped to?

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Dave B
Yeah that's what i am looking to do mate that would be ideal. I couldn't fill the tank from my flat i'd have to go to my sisters after work and fill it then if i need to top up at work just do it from a customers outside tap with a hose. Was thinking i probably wouldn't go through more than 500 or 600 litre on a good day just going by what i've seen other people saying

I don't use more than 150l-200l in an average day and i am busy

I set myself up with a diy trolley for around 60 quid including trolley and pole off ebay for 110

A few 25ldrums from local car wash when they chuck em and away you go

I buy my water but if you only need di it won't add much more to the cost

You could be working wfp for 300 quid i reckon and then buy better bits as you go

Drums and trolley would do the job mounted in the van until you catch up enough to afford a tank

Then go for better pump, reel and flow controller and you will have both then so awkward houses you could whip the trolley out and off you go

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adamangler
What would be the reason for drawing more water from two barrels at the same time mate?

 

no other reason other than it save you running out mid job and getting an air lock, on a first clean you may well use 25 litres on a job..sometimes airlocks can be a bitch to clear slowing you down. Tip: bit of wire coiled around the end of the hose going into barrel to sink it right to the bottom.

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Dave B

Legally i wouldn't tell the insurance if tank isn't fixed as it is a load and vans are designed to carry loads

You wouldn't have to tell then if you had your ladders and bucket in the back so why a removable load??

I went wfp about 3 months ago after 26 years trad and never looked back

As for swapping customers over i just turned up as normal and cracked on

When customer went to pay i would quickly say don't worry about the water in the glass it's 100% pure and will dry crystal clear..sometimes it can leave the odd spot seeing as i have flushed all the dirt and years of soap out the frames and seals but any issues give me a shout and I'll pop past ony travels and sort it

Tbh i have had nobody with a problem with it and most are amazed at the quality of the job

Usually then they comment about how clean the frames look and that's that

I never explain before i do the job and if no one is in i never mention it

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Underdog

iv just set up my van mount. everything has cost me around 1500. thats an ro unit at home with a 500litre tank.sump pump to van.500 litre tank in van.shurflo pump,spring controller, one shot remote control.110a battery on a split chrger from van. gardiner slx 25, 100metre hose and reel. all plumbing bits and bobs and some spares. its working flawelsessly but i was able to save money as iv done everthing myself from plumbing at home to welding tank in van and wiring chargin system.

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steve garwood
So is that the way it works because it isn't a permanent fixture?! What would the straps be strapped to?

The bulkhead or anchor points

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kev
I don't use more than 150l-200l in an average day and i am busy

I set myself up with a diy trolley for around 60 quid including trolley and pole off ebay for 110

A few 25ldrums from local car wash when they chuck em and away you go

I buy my water but if you only need di it won't add much more to the cost

You could be working wfp for 300 quid i reckon and then buy better bits as you go

Drums and trolley would do the job mounted in the van until you catch up enough to afford a tank

Then go for better pump, reel and flow controller and you will have both then so awkward houses you could whip the trolley out and off you go

Cheers for that davey it's something to think about

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kev
no other reason other than it save you running out mid job and getting an air lock, on a first clean you may well use 25 litres on a job..sometimes airlocks can be a bitch to clear slowing you down. Tip: bit of wire coiled around the end of the hose going into barrel to sink it right to the bottom.

I'd be looking to do 20 to 25 houses a day mate that's why i'm thinking loads of barrels would be hassle

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Underdog

Also i give a letter to every customer explaining how pure water cleaning works. some people disagree with this and say no need bbut its working very well with my customers.people accept things far better when they understand.i picked up workfrom people who have had wfp before but the cleaner has never bothered to explain whats happening and why are the windows wet.its a small effort that goes a long way.

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