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Finally got van fitted out!

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Spartan

It’s been a while - had to source a new van, get it ply lined, waterproof the floor, ummed and arred forever on what to buy, finally settled on what I felt I needed, so at last I’ve had the tank installed.

 

700 litre tank, delivery only (buying the water at first then going down the diy route once I’ve settled into it)

Power up reel

Security pulley hose guide

Intelligent split relay charger

and obviously pump, leisure battery etc.

 

pole arriving Monday, should have been Friday but Gardiner messed about a bit....😑

 

so all being well, Tuesday or Wednesday will be the ‘big day’ - finally switching to WFP since first starting windows back in 1992!

wish me luck lads - I’m sensing I’m gonna need it 😬

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WfpTen

All the best to you!
I'm sure you've done it already in preparation of your "big day" but do make sure your customers understand that you will not be drying the windows. It can be a little difficult for them to get their heads round this.

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Spartan

Cheers WFP Ten,

 

most arent at home but the ones  that are, will have the whole procedure explained.

over the past months I’ve explained to quite a lot that I’ll be eventually switching over to WFP.

 

Luckily , these days the WFP system is so commonplace that people have already got used to seeing window cleaners work that way. I’ve only had one that has insisted on still traditional and he’s a ground floor flat interior and exterior clean so no worries there.

 

I’ll try and post up a few pics maybe, although most members aren’t interested in seeing yet another window cleaning van 🤣

You’ve seen one, you’ve seen them all, lol.

 

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spruce
22 minutes ago, Spartan said:

Cheers WFP Ten,

 

most arent at home but the ones  that are, will have the whole procedure explained.

over the past months I’ve explained to quite a lot that I’ll be eventually switching over to WFP.

 

Luckily , these days the WFP system is so commonplace that people have already got used to seeing window cleaners work that way. I’ve only had one that has insisted on still traditional and he’s a ground floor flat interior and exterior clean so no worries there.

 

I’ll try and post up a few pics maybe, although most members aren’t interested in seeing yet another window cleaning van 🤣

You’ve seen one, you’ve seen them all, lol.

 

 

Totally the opposite. Each one of us can benefit from seeing someone else's setup. You might have an idea that someone else can incorporate into their system.

 

For example, many years ago another cleaner just showed an innocent photo of the inside of his van. His poles where mounted on the side of his van (inside) with gutter brackets. I've used that way for the past 12 years and doing the same with the replacement van I'm kitting out. Someone else showed a photo of his van with pole holders secured to the roof of his van. I liked that idea so looked at doing the possibility of doing the same, but find using gutter brackets the best solution for me and my circumstances.

 

The other beneficiary is you. Some one might see a better way to do something. 

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WfpTen

Got to agree with spruce there, it is definately worth it!

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Spartan
26 minutes ago, spruce said:

 

Totally the opposite. Each one of us can benefit from seeing someone else's setup. You might have an idea that someone else can incorporate into their system.

 

For example, many years ago another cleaner just showed an innocent photo of the inside of his van. His poles where mounted on the side of his van (inside) with gutter brackets. I've used that way for the past 12 years and doing the same with the replacement van I'm kitting out. Someone else showed a photo of his van with pole holders secured to the roof of his van. I liked that idea so looked at doing the possibility of doing the same, but find using gutter brackets the best solution for me and my circumstances.

 

The other beneficiary is you. Some one might see a better way to do something. 

 

Excellent point Spruce.

i used gutter brackets for years to carry poles, brooms etc in my van but my current van has twin sliding doors so a bit difficult.

i need to attach something to the ceiling of the van for poles this time. There’s only 1 middle strut though so it’s proving a bit difficult....

I’ll  post a couple of images 👍

Side view

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Intelligent charger

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Spartan

Security hose guide

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Tank with power reel attached to top.

 

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Rear view, not a great deal of room left on either side or at the back for additional items (maybe should have got the LWB version...)

 

 

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Firm bolted  spreader plates - don’t want that tank shifting at all

 

 

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Pjj

I we have two side loading doors and this is how we have our pole racks  fitted ,it’s very easy to do and doesn’t cost that much very easy diy job , changing to wfp will be a sharp learning curve and initially you will be a lot slower with first cleans just take your time give the frames a good scrub getting into all the nooks and crannies the extra time taken on the first clean will pay dividends in the long run 

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It’s been a while - had to source a new van, get it ply lined, waterproof the floor, ummed and arred forever on what to buy, finally settled on what I felt I needed, so at last I’ve had the tank installed.
 
700 litre tank, delivery only (buying the water at first then going down the diy route once I’ve settled into it)
Power up reel
Security pulley hose guide
Intelligent split relay charger
and obviously pump, leisure battery etc.
 
pole arriving Monday, should have been Friday but Gardiner messed about a bit....[emoji58]
 
so all being well, Tuesday or Wednesday will be the ‘big day’ - finally switching to WFP since first starting windows back in 1992!
wish me luck lads - I’m sensing I’m gonna need it [emoji51]
Well done Spartan. I started in 1991 and moved to the "dark side" 18 months ago and you won't regret it.
I changed it all in one big hit, without telling them and lost 4 or 5 customers who just didn't like wet windows but picked up plenty of new jobs including a commercial which more than covered any losses.
If your pretty compact with little travelling time it might save you about two hours a day. You'll also be able to get at those hard to access those windows over conservatories etc and charge a little more.
I found some customers were genuinely interested in how it worked so took the time to explain,and some were given a tour of the van and impressed.
I was quite politely firm with them and don't give traditional (apart from one downstairs flat that has leaky windows) an option.even the bungalows get wfp now.
Good luck to you.
Although being well established I don't think you'll need it.
Don't forget to include pics!

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spruce
56 minutes ago, Spartan said:

 

Excellent point Spruce.

i used gutter brackets for years to carry poles, brooms etc in my van but my current van has twin sliding doors so a bit difficult.

i need to attach something to the ceiling of the van for poles this time. There’s only 1 middle strut though so it’s proving a bit difficult....

I’ll  post a couple of images 👍

Side view

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Really nice and a neat job. 👍

 

You will probably find that you hardly ever use the drivers side rear sliding door. Many years ago in the trade we often used to see customers disconnect the door mechanism for that door on Citroen Dispatch vans as they felt they lost so much usuable space behind the drivers seat area with an operational door. I wouldn't go that far but I would use that side of the van to carry my poles. It might mean a length of 32mm steel square tube from the panel above the door down to the floor to secure your brackets to. As your poles won't be that low to the floor you could still use that floor space for less used items accessable from the driver side sliding door.

 

If you want to support your poles from the roof as @Pjj has done then you are going to have to run two support steel square tubes from one side of the van to the other and mount your hangers onto that as Pjj has done.

What I like is the internal brackets in the roof for his ladders.

Everyones need is different. I would love to have those pole hanger that low in my van. But unfortunately, due to the nature of my health issues I need to regularily dive into the back of the van to pee. So I need headroom in the back. So a necessity for me need not be for you.

 

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47 minutes ago, Pjj said:

I we have two side loading doors and this is how we have our pole racks  fitted ,it’s very easy to do and doesn’t cost that much very easy diy job , changing to wfp will be a sharp learning curve and initially you will be a lot slower with first cleans just take your time give the frames a good scrub getting into all the nooks and crannies the extra time taken on the first clean will pay dividends in the long run 

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Thanks for posting your internals. Some good ideas there. I like the idea of those internal ladder brackets. What plate or metal sheets did you use to guide the ladders down the length of the frame work? ait looks like it has been fabricated to suit your needs Its obviously strong as you appear to have a hook screwed into it for something.

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Part Timer

Nice looking set up, with all new vans we endeavour to keep them neat and tidy, 3 months in we have a bad day and that changes. I would personally fill in the ends of the ply lining and waterproof the bottom few inches of it as well. The pesky water gets everywhere 

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3 hours ago, spruce said:

 

Thanks for posting your internals. Some good ideas there. I like the idea of those internal ladder brackets. What plate or metal sheets did you use to guide the ladders down the length of the frame work? ait looks like it has been fabricated to suit your needs Its obviously strong as you appear to have a hook screwed into it for something.

 

 

Thanks spruce I thought for a long time before fitting out the van hear is a couple more pictures of the ladder rack it holds a 3:5 meter Ramsey double pointer ladder , I wanted the ladder inside the van as when we do work 200 miles from home by the time we got there I had a banging headache from the wind noise on a roof rack , I had this professional made to my own dimensions and design it’s a medium wheelbase van but the end of the ladder goes over the top of the seats in the overhead storage area 

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I we have two side loading doors and this is how we have our pole racks  fitted ,it’s very easy to do and doesn’t cost that much very easy diy job , changing to wfp will be a sharp learning curve and initially you will be a lot slower with first cleans just take your time give the frames a good scrub getting into all the nooks and crannies the extra time taken on the first clean will pay dividends in the long run 
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With the hose guide on the floor, what is underneath it? Does it run on the bumper while you're pulling it or do you have a 2nd guide under? Thanks

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6 minutes ago, Skxawng said:

With the hose guide on the floor, what is underneath it? Does it run on the bumper while you're pulling it or do you have a 2nd guide under? Thanks

 

Yeah, the guide extension clears the bumper and spare wheel.

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On 29/09/2018 at 08:43, Pjj said:

I we have two side loading doors and this is how we have our pole racks  fitted ,it’s very easy to do and doesn’t cost that much very easy diy job , changing to wfp will be a sharp learning curve and initially you will be a lot slower with first cleans just take your time give the frames a good scrub getting into all the nooks and crannies the extra time taken on the first clean will pay dividends in the long run 

 

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Hi pjj,

 

ive fitted a pole holder using similar pipe to you - how did you secure the poles inside the piping?

mine seems to slide up and down a little every time I accelerate, brake or go over the countless speed humps in London?

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Hi pjj,
 
ive fitted a pole holder using similar pipe to you - how did you secure the poles inside the piping?
mine seems to slide up and down a little every time I accelerate, brake or go over the countless speed humps in London?


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Poles shouldn’t move to much as gooseneck stops it

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For your telescopic poles for an upstanding at the end to stop it moving

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9 hours ago, Spartan said:

 

 

Hi pjj,

 

ive fitted a pole holder using similar pipe to you - how did you secure the poles inside the piping?

mine seems to slide up and down a little every time I accelerate, brake or go over the countless speed humps in London?

 

 

I don’t secure them just slide them in never had a problem with them moving in the tubes 

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11 hours ago, LAMS said:

 


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Poles shouldn’t move to much as gooseneck stops it

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For your telescopic poles for an upstanding at the end to stop it moving

 

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Yeah ive got a crew cap on the very end to stop it. Pole seems to slide out towards the rear of the vehicle and then obviously it can then slide forward again until it reaches the end cap.

 

had a tiring couple of days switching over to WFP....... that hose gets caught EVERYWHERE!

ive developed a new hatred for car tyres and especially wheelie bin wheels 😡

 

just noticed that that the tank is leaking at the bottom/underneath - what a faff 😖

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46 minutes ago, Spartan said:

 

Yeah ive got a crew cap on the very end to stop it. Pole seems to slide out towards the rear of the vehicle and then obviously it can then slide forward again until it reaches the end cap.

 

had a tiring couple of days switching over to WFP....... that hose gets caught EVERYWHERE!

ive developed a new hatred for car tyres and especially wheelie bin wheels 😡

 

just noticed that that the tank is leaking at the bottom/underneath - what a faff 😖

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You are bound to have a few teathing problems, stick with it after a few weeks you will get the hang of it and never look back , have you got anyone who you can go out with to see how they do it to offer some help ? I felt exactly the same as you I was doing half the work in a day with wfp that I could do trad but after the second and third clean I was doing a third more work per day wfp than trad take your time with the first clean make sure that the frames are thoroughly clean next time you will be much quicker , 

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@Spartan are you sure the tank is leaking as in it it is damaged, as a spillage from the tank lid or a drip from a fitting which may need tightening and the water will pool in one area depending on were you park the van like on an incline in the road, My van slopes to one side because of were I park outside my garage so any leak which happened and I hadn't noticed the water will run to one side.

 @P4dstar thought he had a hole in his tank and it was a fitting that needed tightening up, fittings do need checking once in a while after use even within a week as been under pressure and fluctuations in temperature can have an effect. 

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@ IronGiant

no the tank hasn’t got a hole in I’m sure of that - it must be at least 10mm thick plastic!

it seems to be the tank fittings at the bottom. Had to  take the front panel off, drag the battery out ( not a lot of slack on the wiring) I’m hoping the fittings just need tightening but it was definitely sleeping out, and not where the brass elbows are soldered in.....

 

Why can’t the tank have these drilled into the top of the tank and hose going down inside, that way it’s virtually leak proof.

 

on the plus side, I’m quite enjoying the WFP system, it’s certainly slower (at the moment) but when I got home my knees weren’t aching 👍

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no the tank hasn’t got a hole in I’m sure of that - it must be at least 10mm thick plastic!
it seems to be the tank fittings at the bottom. Had to  take the front panel off, drag the battery out ( not a lot of slack on the wiring) I’m hoping the fittings just need tightening but it was definitely sleeping out, and not where the brass elbows are soldered in.....
 
Why can’t the tank have these drilled into the top of the tank and hose going down inside, that way it’s virtually leak proof.
 
on the plus side, I’m quite enjoying the WFP system, it’s certainly slower (at the moment) but when I got home my knees weren’t aching [emoji106]
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Just wait till your shoulders and elbows start aching [emoji23]

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8 hours ago, Spartan said:

@ IronGiant

no the tank hasn’t got a hole in I’m sure of that - it must be at least 10mm thick plastic!

it seems to be the tank fittings at the bottom. Had to  take the front panel off, drag the battery out ( not a lot of slack on the wiring) I’m hoping the fittings just need tightening but it was definitely sleeping out, and not where the brass elbows are soldered in.....

 

Why can’t the tank have these drilled into the top of the tank and hose going down inside, that way it’s virtually leak proof.

 

on the plus side, I’m quite enjoying the WFP system, it’s certainly slower (at the moment) but when I got home my knees weren’t aching 👍

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The screw thread fittings will need ptfe tape on them to prevent them leaking , maybe there isn’t enough on them try re doing it quite often it will take 10 + turns of ptfe to get a good seal 

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