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Jones

Newbie here started about 5 months ago only have a small round whilst working my full time job atm.I normally trad all my houses most 3/4 bedrooms which usually takes me between 40mins to 1 hour to do but recently brought a wfp back pack & i know most of you disagree but I find wfp the tops then trad the bottoms has made a massive difference to my time it’s basically half it which I’m pleased with. Was just wondering how long it takes you trad guys to do a 3/4 bedroom house?

 

 

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scottish cleaning service

I take 20mins with the ladder and stool but I could get it down to 15mins if I wanted to. £10 for 20mins means £30 an hour which isn't bad for me.

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Jones

Yeh that’s great I’m sure il speed up the more I do it, just takes me while to set ladder up adjust then move for each windows hence the purchase of the backpack but I still enjoy trading that’s why I only wfp the tops


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Dave B

To trad a 3 bed terrace would take under 10 minutes for me

27 years practice though lol

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mike007

You may wfp the fronts,then trad the bottoms and repeat same on rear, or you may wfp all the tops then trad all the bottoms. Just 2 combinations that will make a difference on time perhaps?.

Depends on the property you are working plus experience of doing said property.

Also remember the time is not just doing the actual property. It is also the speed and efficiency of getting your gear in and out of your vehicle to do the job!!!!!!

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On ‎01‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 18:42, Jones said:

Yeh that’s great I’m sure il speed up the more I do it, just takes me while to set ladder up adjust then move for each windows hence the purchase of the backpack but I still enjoy trading that’s why I only wfp the tops


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The biggest difference I have noticed is when I bought the liquidator channel. Fitted the contour pro plus handle and it saved me detailing. This I believe saves the most time because all you have to do is wipe the sill and maybe the frame.

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Dane

As said above it becomes second nature on the ladder and you fly through them knowing how to set up.... and yes wfp is the next step to helping with speed as it sounds like you’re finding. Keep going and you’ll soon be flying through them like everyone else (and maintaining a standard)


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masondna

Just wondering if you're all cleaning doors too (the whole of the door, not just the glass)?  

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spruce
On 01/10/2018 at 18:26, Jones said:

 

Newbie here started about 5 months ago only have a small round whilst working my full time job atm.I normally trad all my houses most 3/4 bedrooms which usually takes me between 40mins to 1 hour to do but recently brought a wfp back pack & i know most of you disagree but I find wfp the tops then trad the bottoms has made a massive difference to my time it’s basically half it which I’m pleased with. Was just wondering how long it takes you trad guys to do a 3/4 bedroom house?

 

 

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Its fine doing what you are doing as a side job, especially if you enjoy cleaning windows.

 

When we first started we did trad. An older 1930's 3 bedroom house would take about 20 minutes to begin with. But after a while the same house would take me around 30 minutes. Toward the end of the day it was up to around 45 minutes a house. I was in my early 50's then. Cleaning a house in 45 minutes didn't earn me much. Each of these houses we had in that estate had side wash rooms. To get to the backs we had to climb over the washroom roofs to get to the other side and drag the ladders with us.

 

Thankfully wfp saved me from falling off my ladder again and allowed me to continue to work and earn a living wage.

 

When you have to rely on window cleaning as your main source of income then you have to overcome the pleasure you get

from trad and do everything wfp. Its simple. To earn more keeping the same price you have to clean more windows. You have to do that in the quickest, the safest and most efficient way.

 

The other thing you must not forget is to have regular price increases.

 

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HWCS

Depends on the windows tbf, if theyve gpt georgians itll always slow it up.

Ive got a few awkward 3/4 bed places but once you do them a few times you soon speed up.

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ks789

I did this country house friday, took nearly 3 hours as they wanted it trad. As I dont have full books I didnt mind. 600 odd small french panes roughly. Im not too good with squeegys and blades. id bought some small ones for this job, but as i wanted to get home I just damp scrimmed and dry scrimmed them. it was knackering, but i dont believe i could have done much better with the squeegy and blade, as I still would've needed to detail anyway. Ive seen a vid on utube of a guy squeegying, and i thought I aint got time to spend that long on each window. Have to get some practise in.

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Iron Giant
10 hours ago, ks789 said:

I did this country house friday, took nearly 3 hours as they wanted it trad. As I dont have full books I didnt mind. 600 odd small french panes roughly. Im not too good with squeegys and blades. id bought some small ones for this job, but as i wanted to get home I just damp scrimmed and dry scrimmed them. it was knackering, but i dont believe i could have done much better with the squeegy and blade, as I still would've needed to detail anyway. Ive seen a vid on utube of a guy squeegying, and i thought I aint got time to spend that long on each window. Have to get some practise in.


Seriously even if you practice, I always found it easier with a damp cloth and and a dry scrim on panes that were smaller than 10" by the time you soap them up, blade them off and detail you could do 2-4 panes with a scrim. 

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mike007
10 hours ago, ks789 said:

I did this country house friday, took nearly 3 hours as they wanted it trad. As I dont have full books I didnt mind. 600 odd small french panes roughly. Im not too good with squeegys and blades. id bought some small ones for this job, but as i wanted to get home I just damp scrimmed and dry scrimmed them. it was knackering, but i dont believe i could have done much better with the squeegy and blade, as I still would've needed to detail anyway. Ive seen a vid on utube of a guy squeegying, and i thought I aint got time to spend that long on each window. Have to get some practise in.

For a job that size making a custom sized channel to the measurement of the panes may be way to go and do straight pulls, then just detail round edges if not proficient using smaller squeegees.

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dazmond

it used to take me around 15 mins to clean a smallish 3 bed semi trad,now its more like 8-10 mins WFP....

 

im still cleaning a commercial job from my trad days 10 years ago that i priced up at £60...it used to take me 2 HOURS TRAD....so £30 an hour which i thought was good money back then....fast forward 10 years and im still charging the same price but the job takes me 25 MINS WITH A LOT LESS EFFORT!....👍

 

Id be very disappointed if my hourly rate was £30 an hour in 2019....id have to drop that particular work or raise my prices if i couldnt clean the job any faster......

 

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mike007
23 hours ago, dazmond said:

it used to take me around 15 mins to clean a smallish 3 bed semi trad,now its more like 8-10 mins WFP....

 

im still cleaning a commercial job from my trad days 10 years ago that i priced up at £60...it used to take me 2 HOURS TRAD....so £30 an hour which i thought was good money back then....fast forward 10 years and im still charging the same price but the job takes me 25 MINS WITH A LOT LESS EFFORT!....👍

 

Id be very disappointed if my hourly rate was £30 an hour in 2019....id have to drop that particular work or raise my prices if i couldnt clean the job any faster......

 

I think good return!. £30 an hour for one job may be less than your average it seems...but still not bad at all.

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dazmond
5 hours ago, mike007 said:

I think good return!. £30 an hour for one job may be less than your average it seems...but still not bad at all.

how long have you been window cleaning?you ll soon realise earning £30 an hour is just not enough if you want to earn half decent money self employed(unless of course you work a full 40 hours a week which is not sustainable in the long run for your health/sanity or work/life balance)...im only actually window cleaning "on the glass"(earning money)20-25 hours a week so to earn my target turnover of £45k a year i need to maximise my hourly rate.also holidays need to be taken into account so thats at least 4 weeks with no pay every year.....

 

my average hourly rate over the course of a day is between £40-£50 an hour..... turning over £45k a year im only left with £30k-£32k in profit after expenses,tax and insurances,not bad(i can live on it quite comfortably)but its not a fortune....

 

if i was only earning £30 an hour for the same hours id be earning around £33-£35k a year and be left with around £23k profit....£7k-£8k LESS!over the course of 5 years thats £35k-£40k!😮

 

just think of the luxury holidays you could go on in that 5 years with the extra money and nice car you could have on the drive(as well as a nice shiny van with decent hot water system fitted)......

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Iron Giant
17 hours ago, dazmond said:

how long have you been window cleaning?you ll soon realise earning £30 an hour is just not enough if you want to earn half decent money self employed(unless of course you work a full 40 hours a week which is not sustainable in the long run for your health/sanity or work/life balance)...im only actually window cleaning "on the glass"(earning money)20-25 hours a week so to earn my target turnover of £45k a year i need to maximise my hourly rate.also holidays need to be taken into account so thats at least 4 weeks with no pay every year.....

 

my average hourly rate over the course of a day is between £40-£50 an hour..... turning over £45k a year im only left with £30k-£32k in profit after expenses,tax and insurances,not bad(i can live on it quite comfortably)but its not a fortune....

 

if i was only earning £30 an hour for the same hours id be earning around £33-£35k a year and be left with around £23k profit....£7k-£8k LESS!over the course of 5 years thats £35k-£40k!😮

 

just think of the luxury holidays you could go on in that 5 years with the extra money and nice car you could have on the drive(as well as a nice shiny van with decent hot water system fitted)......


I wondered when the holidays would come up 😆, yes as a business owner you wanting to earning as much as you can, but £30 an hour is still very good money by a lot of people standards, we are a great deal more fortunate than some doing far more worthy jobs, my wife works as a carer in an old peoples home and earns a lot less than me, but her and many others should be paid more.   

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mike007
17 hours ago, dazmond said:

how long have you been window cleaning?you ll soon realise earning £30 an hour is just not enough if you want to earn half decent money self employed(unless of course you work a full 40 hours a week which is not sustainable in the long run for your health/sanity or work/life balance)...im only actually window cleaning "on the glass"(earning money)20-25 hours a week so to earn my target turnover of £45k a year i need to maximise my hourly rate.also holidays need to be taken into account so thats at least 4 weeks with no pay every year.....

 

my average hourly rate over the course of a day is between £40-£50 an hour..... turning over £45k a year im only left with £30k-£32k in profit after expenses,tax and insurances,not bad(i can live on it quite comfortably)but its not a fortune....

 

if i was only earning £30 an hour for the same hours id be earning around £33-£35k a year and be left with around £23k profit....£7k-£8k LESS!over the course of 5 years thats £35k-£40k!😮

 

just think of the luxury holidays you could go on in that 5 years with the extra money and nice car you could have on the drive(as well as a nice shiny van with decent hot water system fitted)......

3 years this time round,am one man band. I have mates working on national minimum wage or thereabouts due to working for Agencies etc when the firm they worked for folded. Just looked up minimum wage on internet for 2019/2020, over 25 years of age £8.21!!!.And they have to support their family,home etc. As I say you going down to £30 a hour every now and again may be a disapointment to your business model...but still not bad money.

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scottish cleaning service

I will give you all a tip. The reason i easily get £30 an hour is because of my plan. When i take on a first clean i only do it with ladders, scraper and squeegee. This can take me a minimum of an hour to get them up to my standard. The customer is usually there and see's the amount of work i have put in and will feel good about how little they are paying. The next month i clean them with my hot wfp and the customer is usually working and only witnesses the result but i clean everything even the garage door. If i was to first clean with the hot wfp then there wouldn't be much difference with the time aspect so they might question the cost that's my secret and works everytime. 😉

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Iron Giant
7 hours ago, scottish cleaning service said:

I will give you all a tip. The reason i easily get £30 an hour is because of my plan. When i take on a first clean i only do it with ladders, scraper and squeegee. This can take me a minimum of an hour to get them up to my standard. The customer is usually there and see's the amount of work i have put in and will feel good about how little they are paying. The next month i clean them with my hot wfp and the customer is usually working and only witnesses the result but i clean everything even the garage door. If i was to first clean with the hot wfp then there wouldn't be much difference with the time aspect so they might question the cost that's my secret and works everytime. 😉


You almost sound like a pro 😅

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dazmond
13 hours ago, scottish cleaning service said:

I will give you all a tip. The reason i easily get £30 an hour is because of my plan. When i take on a first clean i only do it with ladders, scraper and squeegee. This can take me a minimum of an hour to get them up to my standard. The customer is usually there and see's the amount of work i have put in and will feel good about how little they are paying. The next month i clean them with my hot wfp and the customer is usually working and only witnesses the result but i clean everything even the garage door. If i was to first clean with the hot wfp then there wouldn't be much difference with the time aspect so they might question the cost that's my secret and works everytime. 😉

are you for real?🙄

 

each to their own but i think your mad!....what about if theyve got awkward windows to clean (which lets face it a lot of properties do nowadays)do you climb on customers roofs?get the wfp out just for that window and trad the rest?

 

i couldnt be arsed with that......also what if you fall off your ladder?

 

some of you window cleaners are crazy!😂

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dazmond
16 hours ago, Iron Giant said:


I wondered when the holidays would come up 😆, yes as a business owner you wanting to earning as much as you can, but £30 an hour is still very good money by a lot of people standards, we are a great deal more fortunate than some doing far more worthy jobs, my wife works as a carer in an old peoples home and earns a lot less than me, but her and many others should be paid more.   

if your happy with £30 an hour then crack on.....id be very disappointed and id sack the work off or raise prices.....

 

my time is precious and i only allow so many hours a day/week/month/year for window cleaning so i can keep a good work/life balance and not let work interfere with my hobbies and interests(and holidays!👍).......

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dazmond
15 hours ago, mike007 said:

3 years this time round,am one man band. I have mates working on national minimum wage or thereabouts due to working for Agencies etc when the firm they worked for folded. Just looked up minimum wage on internet for 2019/2020, over 25 years of age £8.21!!!.And they have to support their family,home etc. As I say you going down to £30 a hour every now and again may be a disapointment to your business model...but still not bad money.

if you say so mate but always keep trying to push your pricing upwards whenever possible and find ways to speed up jobs,get more compact work and be organised with workloads....

 

you should never compare your pricing to a JOB(stands for JustOverBroke)working for someone else.....its a classic mistake underpricing(i include myself in this too from 26 years ago!) which sees a lot of self employed people go out of business within a few years because they dont charge enough in the first place.....

 

ive had some hard financial times years ago because i didnt charge enough for my services.....luckily ive learned from my mistakes these days....

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Iron Giant
7 hours ago, dazmond said:

if your happy with £30 an hour then crack on.....id be very disappointed and id sack the work off or raise prices.....

 

my time is precious and i only allow so many hours a day/week/month/year for window cleaning so i can keep a good work/life balance and not let work interfere with my hobbies and interests(and holidays!👍).......


I never said how much I earned and never do 🤪 my business is my own and no one else's   

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Skxawng
On 08/09/2019 at 06:30, Iron Giant said:


I wondered when the holidays would come up 😆, yes as a business owner you wanting to earning as much as you can, but £30 an hour is still very good money by a lot of people standards, we are a great deal more fortunate than some doing far more worthy jobs, my wife works as a carer in an old peoples home and earns a lot less than me, but her and many others should be paid more.   

I think as window cleaners we are pretty fortunate to be able to achieve the hourly rate we do for relatively unskilled work (before anyone jumps on me, I mean unskilled as in no formal training/college/apprenticeship is required- but there is a big difference between a windy who knows his stuff and someone who doesn't).

The main reason we can earn the hourly rates we do is that the market allows it. 

You could have the same drive, business acumen, motivation and skill in another self employed service industry and not make nearly as much. For instance domestic cleaning and ironing are tough jobs that are analogous to window cleaning in that the are relatively unskilled to get into but difficult to master. And on average around here they earn around £8 or £10-£12 per hour if they're good. The average new window cleaner will earn a lot better rate in their first year with no experience.

Before starting windows in 2006 I was a jewelry repairer and also did watch repairs. And that was a skilled job that required training but I only got £4.90 p/h and worked Monday to Saturday 8:30- 5:30 and basically had no life.

Really, I'm saying I'm happy I stumbled into window cleaning as the hourly rate you can earn gives you a lot better work life balance. A lot of people would be very happy with £30ph.

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scottish cleaning service

I'm making a grand a week and the money is real. I cleared 3 gutters yesterday but had to block where the birds were getting in. Problem is I like working, even 7 days doesn't bother me. Fully booked till November now. I take the Tortoise approach and every penny goes back into the business on new equipment only problem is storage space.

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dazmond
14 minutes ago, scottish cleaning service said:

I'm making a grand a week and the money is real. I cleared 3 gutters yesterday but had to block where the birds were getting in. Problem is I like working, even 7 days doesn't bother me. Fully booked till November now. I take the Tortoise approach and every penny goes back into the business on new equipment only problem is storage space.

that will change over time though.........

 

no one can sustain working 6 or 7 days a week for long .....everything starts to suffer,relationships with partners,kids(if you have any),family,your hobbies go out the window and youll start to hate going to work because you ll be tired all the time.....

 

the trick is to try and earn that grand(or more)a week in 20-25 hours a week so you can enjoy your hobbies,family and friends too.....also your far less likely to get absolutely fed up with cleaning working less hours....

 

thats been my experience over the 26 years ive been window cleaning.....

 

 

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scottish cleaning service
3 minutes ago, dazmond said:

that will change over time though.........

 

no one can sustain working 6 or 7 days a week for long .....everything starts to suffer,relationships with partners,kids(if you have any),family,your hobbies go out the window and youll start to hate going to work because you ll be tired all the time.....

 

the trick is to try and earn that grand(or more)a week in 20-25 hours a week so you can enjoy your hobbies,family and friends too.....also your far less likely to get absolutely fed up with cleaning working less hours....

 

thats been my experience over the 26 years ive been window cleaning.....

 

 

 

I go quiet in winter but the reason i make so much is because i do nearly everything. Today is a big gutter clear on church and their windows. I have a big PW job on a driveway with a small tree that needs to be removed and then monoblock fitted in where the trunk was. One part of monoblock has sunk so after i PW it, i will need to lift it and lay sand and re-lay it and wack it down. That's what the customer wants, someone who can do it all, no ifs and no buts. Then i clean their windows and collect a grand, hopefully.

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Wind o kleen

That grand a week surely gets cut down somewhere near to £700 if you take running costs , insurance  tax/ni ,

 

 

you happy taking home £100 a day after costs ? If your working 7 days a week?

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