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paul alan

Not a great video but it gives you an idea of how to use the rinse bar if your not sure.

 

 

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Jango

Nice video now I want a rinse bar😃😃😃😃😃

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RWCleaning

Nice Paul, I might give it a go👍

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CHWS

Is that the 32 jet bar 

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paul alan
1 hour ago, CHWS said:

Is that the 32 jet bar 

Yes mate

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CHWS
2 minutes ago, paul alan said:

Yes mate

What flow are you using it at mate 

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paul alan

I have it set to around 75-80 percent on an analog controller. That's my usual flow rate but I end with more water left at the end of day.

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CHWS
1 hour ago, paul alan said:

I have it set to around 75-80 percent on an analog controller. That's my usual flow rate but I end with more water left at the end of day.

 

My digital is on 80 so we must be similar. Is there a noticeable difference in fatigue at the end of the day also with speed 

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paul alan
9 hours ago, CHWS said:

 

My digital is on 80 so we must be similar. Is there a noticeable difference in fatigue at the end of the day also with speed 

Yes, I work at a more slow and controlled pace with the rinse bar. When working with a regular brush I go into auto mode, I work fast because that's how I have conditioned myself over the years. My brain is not really engaged in what I'm doing because its automatic, I am prone to the odd mistake and when I think about it I'm going so quick and I'm over scrubbing, so I'm probably only achieving as much as I would if I slowed down and became mindful.

 

Using the rinse bar you are engaging the brain more and the body less, There are some house I do that have a lot of large upstairs panes and take a lot of effort to hold off and rinse, the rinse bar cuts the effort way down.

 

One house I did this week has a lot of large windows and no matter how I cleaned it previously I couldn't do it any quicker than 25 minutes of full-on scrubbing and rinsing, it was hard work, the 14" rinse bar did it in 20 minutes and I still felt fresh at the end of it. The scrubbing is slower and more controlled, but what your gaining is not then having to stand there and hold the brush off for a rinse phase, that's where you gain water and lose fatigue.

 

There are some houses where you dont gain much time with the bar, just super easy windows to clean can be done with the regular set-up. I reckon though, everyone will have at least a couple of house where they will be astonished at the difference.

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Chris34

Yeah I can definitely see where this would be quicker, but it would not just be quicker but less movement on every joint on your body.  In effect, rinsing off the glass means that you have about 30% extra movement on your arms just for the rinse (based on 2 passes with the brush followed by rinse), not only that on the upstairs windows rinsing off the glass is where it really puts strain on the arms.

 

Do you use jets in the middle of the brush aswell?  

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paul alan
5 hours ago, Chris34 said:

Yeah I can definitely see where this would be quicker, but it would not just be quicker but less movement on every joint on your body.  In effect, rinsing off the glass means that you have about 30% extra movement on your arms just for the rinse (based on 2 passes with the brush followed by rinse), not only that on the upstairs windows rinsing off the glass is where it really puts strain on the arms.

 

Do you use jets in the middle of the brush aswell?  

No, I think that for the rinse bar technique you want as much water as possible coming out of the rinse bar, if you connect jets too then you're halving the flow from the rinse bar

 

Might work with the 16 jet.

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Viggers

Good work mate, nice video

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CHWS

My low pressure rinse bar came tonight there. Tried it on my windows that are very bad hydrophobic. First impressions it seems to make the water sheet better when scrubbing. Some windows it left hardly any water on it. The odd jet in mine is pointing a silly direction. Are you able to adjust them ? Also to get it to rinse above the bristle I had to higher it a good bit more 

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J and S

I have it as low on the brush as possible.......I use a safety pin or 13 amp fuse wire to clear jets....generally find it's the end ones.

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paul alan
1 hour ago, CHWS said:

My low pressure rinse bar came tonight there. Tried it on my windows that are very bad hydrophobic. First impressions it seems to make the water sheet better when scrubbing. Some windows it left hardly any water on it. The odd jet in mine is pointing a silly direction. Are you able to adjust them ? Also to get it to rinse above the bristle I had to higher it a good bit more 

What size is the rinse bar?

 

I just love the way the rinse bar leaves the glass almost dry when hydrophobic after rinsing.

 

It proper annoys me when the jets go off position, I just take a pin that fits the holes snug and by moving it around inside the hole you can get the jet firing straight again. Usually they go off again but you keep adjusting.

 

Depends which brush you are using? I posted some pictures on a recent thread here of the brushes I modified to better suit the rinse bar, I cut the bristles down shorter for less splay and more aggression and they work really well with the rinse bar. Some brushes  (most) just aint designed for the rinse bar, the shorter the bristles and the less splay the better.

 

If yours is the low pressure then they usually shoot higher and further, them ones clear the bristles easier.

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CHWS
32 minutes ago, paul alan said:

What size is the rinse bar?

 

I just love the way the rinse bar leaves the glass almost dry when hydrophobic after rinsing.

 

It proper annoys me when the jets go off position, I just take a pin that fits the holes snug and by moving it around inside the hole you can get the jet firing straight again. Usually they go off again but you keep adjusting.

 

Depends which brush you are using? I posted some pictures on a recent thread here of the brushes I modified to better suit the rinse bar, I cut the bristles down shorter for less splay and more aggression and they work really well with the rinse bar. Some brushes  (most) just aint designed for the rinse bar, the shorter the bristles and the less splay the better.

 

If yours is the low pressure then they usually shoot higher and further, them ones clear the bristles easier.

 

It’s just the standard size. I’m using a dupoint ultimate. I will maybe try cutting the bristles down a bit as it’s an older brush 

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paul alan
17 hours ago, CHWS said:

 

It’s just the standard size. I’m using a dupoint ultimate. I will maybe try cutting the bristles down a bit as it’s an older brush 

Might not work too well with the ultimate Dupont, cutting the bristles down I mean, they're fairly short as is.

 

One brush it does work very well with straight out of the box is the ultimate stiff, its almost perfect! I just dont like stiff bristles on hydrophobic glass so dont use it much.

 

I just had a new tucker dual trim mono delivered today, only £30 from rutland pumps (£46 after tax and postage) These truly are the bets brushes out there, but they're bloody heavy at 300 grams. They do have more scrubbing power though. I'm trying to work out if the extra scrubbing power is worth the extra weight over the course of the day.

 

The extra scrubbing power just gives you that little bit more peace of mind when you cant see all the bits on the glass, some brushes are just altogether useless and dont shift the simplest of things.

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CHWS
3 minutes ago, paul alan said:

Might not work too well with the ultimate Dupont, cutting the bristles down I mean, they're fairly short as is.

 

One brush it does work very well with straight out of the box is the ultimate stiff, its almost perfect! I just dont like stiff bristles on hydrophobic glass so dont use it much.

 

I just had a new tucker dual trim mono delivered today, only £30 from rutland pumps (£46 after tax and postage) These truly are the bets brushes out there, but they're bloody heavy at 300 grams. They do have more scrubbing power though. I'm trying to work out if the extra scrubbing power is worth the extra weight over the course of the day.

 

The extra scrubbing power just gives you that little bit more peace of mind when you cant see all the bits on the glass, some brushes are just altogether useless and dont shift the simplest of things.

 

Had a go with it for part of the day and was enjoying it. Changed back to the 3mm jets and couldn’t get used to them after using the rinse bar lol

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Iron Giant
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Thanks to @paul alan I have been seriously considering a rinse bar and putting it on an old ultimate Dupont brush just for some jobs with lantern roofs cleaned on a regular basis along with a conservatory roof with self-cleaning glass cleaned once every 8 weeks due to the extra flow what's your thoughts paul as you have tried every jet and brush known to man 😅

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paul alan
14 hours ago, Iron Giant said:

Thanks to @paul alan I have been seriously considering a rinse bar and putting it on an old ultimate Dupont brush just for some jobs with lantern roofs cleaned on a regular basis along with a conservatory roof with self-cleaning glass cleaned once every 8 weeks due to the extra flow what's your thoughts paul as you have tried every jet and brush known to man 😅

You get more flow but you pay for that with pressure. I suppose it depends on how dirty they are?

 

Rinse bars are great for maintenance cleaning but when there is a fair amount of cobwebs, bird muck, leaves etc etc then you're better off with some pressure to blast it all down the glass.

 

The one issue I am finding with the 14" rinse bar on the extreme is lots of tiny "bits" left on the glass, it doesn't happen as much with the shorter rinse bars.Its most likely down to the natural bristles holdng on to stuff. I spent half hour cleaning the brush up like new, only for it to become filthy again on the first window. The muck mostly comes from the sills but I cant be bothered walking around with a wet cloth in my pocket all day.

 

And the low pressure 26cm rinse bar is kind of a double whammy because it "rinse bars" and its great for rinsing off too as there is plenty of pressure there. 

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Den
Posted (edited)
59 minutes ago, paul alan said:

You get more flow but you pay for that with pressure. I suppose it depends on how dirty they are?

 

Rinse bars are great for maintenance cleaning but when there is a fair amount of cobwebs, bird muck, leaves etc etc then you're better off with some pressure to blast it all down the glass.

 

The one issue I am finding with the 14" rinse bar on the extreme is lots of tiny "bits" left on the glass, it doesn't happen as much with the shorter rinse bars.Its most likely down to the natural bristles holdng on to stuff. I spent half hour cleaning the brush up like new, only for it to become filthy again on the first window. The muck mostly comes from the sills but I cant be bothered walking around with a wet cloth in my pocket all day.

 

And the low pressure 26cm rinse bar is kind of a double whammy because it "rinse bars" and its great for rinsing off too as there is plenty of pressure there. 

I find fanning down the window the flow And rinse is better for maintenance cleans I love the 35cm medium hybrid extreme combo..

 

Just to add I always have a sill clothing my pouch for the bottom windows help saves any brush clogging up. 

 

 

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chelmsclean

I have a particular job with large modern windows that would be perfect for a rinse bar. Might give it a try. I've got the job down from 4 days to 2.5 now by using a wider brush etc, but if I could get it into 2 days would be great.

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paul alan
10 minutes ago, Den said:

I find fanning down the window the flow And rinse is better for maintenance cleans I love the 35cm medium hybrid extreme combo..

 

Just to add I always have a sill clothing my pouch for the bottom windows help saves any brush clogging up. 

 

 

I like being able to simply go up and down, agitating and rinsing combined. Super easy and quick. Its just them damn little microscopic (sometimes larger) "bits". I'm not even sure if I should be bothered about them? They seem to disappear when dried, on phillic glass you can see them well as the cascading water has to go around them as it drains down the glass.

 

Even with pencil jets though you still get the odd little bits left there after rinsing unless you really over rinse it. 

 

I always carry a cloth but dont like using it on soaking wet sills as becomes soaking wet too, maybe a 6" squeegee instead? Thats where the most of the **** comes from, the sills.

 

I found putting the brush under the garden tap and giving it a thorough rinse at high flow does a good job of cleaning it, I also carry a comb to remove **** too.

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Iron Giant
2 hours ago, paul alan said:

You get more flow but you pay for that with pressure. I suppose it depends on how dirty they are?

 

Rinse bars are great for maintenance cleaning but when there is a fair amount of cobwebs, bird muck, leaves etc etc then you're better off with some pressure to blast it all down the glass.

 

The one issue I am finding with the 14" rinse bar on the extreme is lots of tiny "bits" left on the glass, it doesn't happen as much with the shorter rinse bars.Its most likely down to the natural bristles holdng on to stuff. I spent half hour cleaning the brush up like new, only for it to become filthy again on the first window. The muck mostly comes from the sills but I cant be bothered walking around with a wet cloth in my pocket all day.

 

And the low pressure 26cm rinse bar is kind of a double whammy because it "rinse bars" and its great for rinsing off too as there is plenty of pressure there. 


The extra flow is what I was hoping for to help rinse down those tiny specks of dirt that are a pain to rinse down on self-cleaning glass as I already have a powerful rinse with my 1mm jets and even with rinsing on the glass on these roofs those tiny specks take forever to rinse down.

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Den

We use 6” squeegee also lol if 50/50 what I use squeegee or cloth as sometime you may have a little insect pooh and I find a sill cloth easier to get off the sill than the squeegee even take the scrap pad on my pole on touch insect pooh.

 

One thing I have noticed when using the 35cm extreme is it develops a natural curve at each end due to cleaning the frames nothing major the very ends of the brush dont  make as much contact as the middle maybe this is contributing to you leaving a tiny bits on the glass? 

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paul alan
31 minutes ago, Iron Giant said:


The extra flow is what I was hoping for to help rinse down those tiny specks of dirt that are a pain to rinse down on self-cleaning glass as I already have a powerful rinse with my 1mm jets and even with rinsing on the glass on these roofs those tiny specks take forever to rinse down.

Get the 32 jet and open the pump right up! its like pouring water down the glass.

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paul alan
30 minutes ago, Den said:

We use 6” squeegee also lol if 50/50 what I use squeegee or cloth as sometime you may have a little insect pooh and I find a sill cloth easier to get off the sill than the squeegee even take the scrap pad on my pole on touch insect pooh.

 

One thing I have noticed when using the 35cm extreme is it develops a natural curve at each end due to cleaning the frames nothing major the very ends of the brush dont  make as much contact as the middle maybe this is contributing to you leaving a tiny bits on the glass? 

My extreme is near perfect condition and shape, I cant even remember how old it is, at least a year or even two.

 

The bits here is just because of where I live, on the north wales coast. Some windows are like first cleans every 4 weeks, a real pain. The "bits" aren't as bad when using non-hybrid brushes. There's just something about the 14" extreme with rinse bar combo that you cant get with anything else, its the way the water rinses through the bristles, its like a 14" clean water "lick" on the glass its just perfect-apart from the little bits! I'll find a way to deal with that situation.

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Diamond geezer

what pole were you using in the vid please

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Green Pro Clean Ltd

That is a bonkers amount of water by the look of it. 

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