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Sambo12

Hi guys looking to start out on the weekends, currently run a decorating business. Fed up with it! 

 

I am thinking of getting a backpack and buying water from a site locally, just wondering what you guys would recommend pole wise?

 

Plan to canvas new builds - just wondering what people would say is there most profitable work.

 

i plan to accept  direct debit and go cardless for ease. 

 

I have read quite a few posts about starting out and have picked up some invaluable information, just wondering if you were starting out again what you would different. 

 

Also I was wondering if anyone is in the Warwickshire area would they consider having some free labour to show me the ropes etc I understand it’s a big ask! 

 

Thanks

 

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Pjj
14 hours ago, Sambo12 said:

Hi guys looking to start out on the weekends, currently run a decorating business. Fed up with it! 

 

I am thinking of getting a backpack and buying water from a site locally, just wondering what you guys would recommend pole wise?

 

Plan to canvas new builds - just wondering what people would say is there most profitable work.

 

i plan to accept  direct debit and go cardless for ease. 

 

I have read quite a few posts about starting out and have picked up some invaluable information, just wondering if you were starting out again what you would different. 

 

Also I was wondering if anyone is in the Warwickshire area would they consider having some free labour to show me the ropes etc I understand it’s a big ask! 

 

Thanks

 

  
 

Have a look on Gardiner pole systems web site , any of there poles are good  as a starter pole the clx is goid the slx is a bit stiffer and lighter but take a look any question s they are very helpful 

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Chris33

I would get work at the prices I am now at from the start  or you'll forever be changing up to do it later anyway. 

 

To do the above ^ I would learn about advertising from the start. Fb. Insta. Website. Flier psychology. Etc

 

To do the above ^ I would get real friendly with someone in the know/same biz early on, a mentor if you like. 

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adamangler
20 hours ago, Sambo12 said:

Hi guys looking to start out on the weekends, currently run a decorating business. Fed up with it! 

 

I am thinking of getting a backpack and buying water from a site locally, just wondering what you guys would recommend pole wise?

 

Plan to canvas new builds - just wondering what people would say is there most profitable work.

 

i plan to accept  direct debit and go cardless for ease. 

 

I have read quite a few posts about starting out and have picked up some invaluable information, just wondering if you were starting out again what you would different. 

 

Also I was wondering if anyone is in the Warwickshire area would they consider having some free labour to show me the ropes etc I understand it’s a big ask! 

 

Thanks

 

 

 

clx or slx 22 pole budget depending

 

compact, well priced work is ideal

 

i would do a lot of things different, too long to list really

 

its not free labour, its a free hinderance. I would offer to pay someone to train you as you will slow them down.

21 minutes ago, Chris33 said:

I would get work at the prices I am now at from the start  or you'll forever be changing up to do it later anyway. 

 

To do the above ^ I would learn about advertising from the start. Fb. Insta. Website. Flier psychology. Etc

 

To do the above ^ I would get real friendly with someone in the know/same biz early on, a mentor if you like. 

 

 

yes advertising/marketting is king. If i knew what i knew now i would have grown twice as fast.

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HWCS

I got a CLX-22 a month ago and tbh regrettimg it already, as its shorter than i could do with.

Id say go for the CLX-27 minimum

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3 minutes ago, HWCS said:

I got a CLX-22 a month ago and tbh regrettimg it already, as its shorter than i could do with.

Id say go for the CLX-27 minimum

I think the CLX27 is a very good pole to start with for the following reasons. It's cheap, hard wearing, will reach virtually all house windows, it's a reasonable weight so will help build muscle without killing you when you're starting off, it's flexible so will teach you how to do the awkward windows. Then when you're doing 50+ houses a week upgrade your pole, personally wouldn't go down the SLX route though.

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Potta81
32 minutes ago, Part Timer said:

I think the CLX27 is a very good pole to start with for the following reasons. It's cheap, hard wearing, will reach virtually all house windows, it's a reasonable weight so will help build muscle without killing you when you're starting off, it's flexible so will teach you how to do the awkward windows. Then when you're doing 50+ houses a week upgrade your pole, personally wouldn't go down the SLX route though.

I was going to get an slx22 or 25 for my first pole next year. Why wouldn’t u go down the slx route? Just curious as it seems highly recommended.

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37 minutes ago, HWCS said:

I got a CLX-22 a month ago and tbh regrettimg it already, as its shorter than i could do with.

Id say go for the CLX-27 minimum

 

Got to be honest i wouldn't go for another CLX27 and the CLX22 is just too short for many jobs involving a 2nd floor. Although i do love mine as it's my first pole I find it heavy, too flexible (a pain at full reach to the 2nd floor - it moves around too much thus taking more time to get the brush where you need it which puts more strain on you). I tried another windys SLX a while back and it was amazing in comparison. I really do mean amazing.

 

CLX is certainly a good enough pole for 1st floor windows but I'd only keep a longer one as a backup now. I'm planning to get the SLX when money permits and then I'll downgrade my CLX27 to a shorter pole using a different base section. Also the CLX-4 is a good option for side windows in alleys etc and is also on my to-get list at some point.

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HWCS
1 minute ago, Tango said:

 

Got to be honest i wouldn't go for another CLX27 and the CLX22 is just too short for many jobs involving a 2nd floor. Although i do love mine as it's my first pole I find it heavy, too flexible (a pain at full reach to the 2nd floor - it moves around too much thus taking more time to get the brush where you need it which puts more strain on you). I tried another windys SLX a while back and it was amazing in comparison. I really do mean amazing.

 

CLX is certainly a good enough pole for 1st floor windows but I'd only keep a longer one as a backup now. I'm planning to get the SLX when money permits and then I'll downgrade my CLX27 to a shorter pole using a different base section. Also the CLX-4 is a good option for side windows in alleys etc and is also on my to-get list at some point.

Black friday purchase 😉

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Tango
Just now, Potta81 said:

I was going to get an slx22 or 25 for my first pole next year. Why wouldn’t u go down the slx route? Just curious as it seems highly recommended.

 

22 will be too short for a good number of houses with a 2nd floor. 25 might do it but you get one with an extension in the way and you've had it. I did a house today with this - a window that is above an extension and it's up on the 2nd floor. Using my CLX27 I can literally just about reach the top of it with my hands almost at the base of the pole - yes a struggle. It's a nightmare job, I loathe it with a passion but the owner is a sweetheart, never gives me any trouble and had her last windy for 22 years. I'd be a mug to drop her because my pole is too cheap!

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Wind o kleen

25ft is ideal for domestic work , only windows I struggle on are old style houses with dormers  new builds with thrm arnt a problem ,

 

also another thing to consider make sure you have enough pole to stand correctly using it you don’t wanna be on ya tip toes with arm in the air looking up. You’ll end up with bad neck 

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Potta81
4 minutes ago, Tango said:

 

22 will be too short for a good number of houses with a 2nd floor. 25 might do it but you get one with an extension in the way and you've had it. I did a house today with this - a window that is above an extension and it's up on the 2nd floor. Using my CLX27 I can literally just about reach the top of it with my hands almost at the base of the pole - yes a struggle. It's a nightmare job, I loathe it with a passion but the owner is a sweetheart, never gives me any trouble and had her last windy for 22 years. I'd be a mug to drop her because my pole is too cheap!

Yea I see what you’re saying, I’ve never counted how many customers I have but it’s got to be around 500 & I can only think of 3 that have a 2nd floor window off the top of my head, I don’t clean them now off the ladder, I have my limits. When I change over I’ll only be getting one pole because of the initial outlay for everything to start wfp’ing & didn’t really want to get a longer heavier pole for 3 windows. I know it’ll limit myself with certain future possible jobs tho.

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spruce
49 minutes ago, Part Timer said:

I think the CLX27 is a very good pole to start with for the following reasons. It's cheap, hard wearing, will reach virtually all house windows, it's a reasonable weight so will help build muscle without killing you when you're starting off, it's flexible so will teach you how to do the awkward windows. Then when you're doing 50+ houses a week upgrade your pole, personally wouldn't go down the SLX route though.

 

.......... and putting a light extreme brush on the end might reduce some of the flex.

 

 

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Part Timer
21 minutes ago, Potta81 said:

I was going to get an slx22 or 25 for my first pole next year. Why wouldn’t u go down the slx route? Just curious as it seems highly recommended.

I don't think it's worth the extra money compared to the CLX. Yes it's lighter, slightly, and more rigid but, in my experience, wears much quicker and gives you the dreaded black finger. 

7 minutes ago, spruce said:

 

.......... and putting a light extreme brush on the end might reduce some of the flex.

 

 

My 45cm flocked brush doesn't help 

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Potta81
4 minutes ago, Part Timer said:

I don't think it's worth the extra money compared to the CLX. Yes it's lighter, slightly, and more rigid but, in my experience, wears much quicker and gives you the dreaded black finger. 

My 45cm flocked brush doesn't help 

You’ll have to forgive my ignorance but “the dreaded black finger”?? 

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wezza13
30 minutes ago, Tango said:

 

Got to be honest i wouldn't go for another CLX27 and the CLX22 is just too short for many jobs involving a 2nd floor. Although i do love mine as it's my first pole I find it heavy, too flexible (a pain at full reach to the 2nd floor - it moves around too much thus taking more time to get the brush where you need it which puts more strain on you). I tried another windys SLX a while back and it was amazing in comparison. I really do mean amazing.

 

CLX is certainly a good enough pole for 1st floor windows but I'd only keep a longer one as a backup now. I'm planning to get the SLX when money permits and then I'll downgrade my CLX27 to a shorter pole using a different base section. Also the CLX-4 is a good option for side windows in alleys etc and is also on my to-get list at some point.

 

Put some of your money aside and save up for the Extreme. You will thank me for it in later life! 🙂

 

I was dubious before I bought one (about 4 years ago) but the lighter weight of it allows you to get to windows on the angle very easily. Hardly any strain on your wrists.

 

That's the first piece of advice I'd give to anybody starting out - buy the Extreme 👍

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Part Timer

The carbon breaks down into an oil type solution that gets on your index finger. All the DIY guys will say not if you maintain them, well you don't have to maintain the CLX

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Davy G
11 minutes ago, Part Timer said:

I don't think it's worth the extra money compared to the CLX. Yes it's lighter, slightly, and more rigid but, in my experience, wears much quicker and gives you the dreaded black finger. 

My 45cm flocked brush doesn't help 

Ahh yes! The Black Finger Gang. I've been a member for over five years. 😁

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Potta81
1 minute ago, Davy G said:

Ahh yes! The Black Finger Gang. I've been a member for over five years. 😁

So you’re a Slx rather than the Clx? Genuinely interested for when I get my first pole.

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Davy G
1 minute ago, Potta81 said:

So you’re a Slx rather than the Clx? Genuinely interested for when I get my first pole.

Yeah, I think the SLX is the perfect pole for me. I get at least three years of Stirling work from them. I can't give an opinion on the CLX as I've no experience of them.

it's not easy to know which kit to choose. 🙂

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Potta81
1 minute ago, Davy G said:

Yeah, I think the SLX is the perfect pole for me. I get at least three years of Stirling work from them. I can't give an opinion on the CLX as I've no experience of them.

it's not easy to know which kit to choose. 🙂

I’m finding this out, what van? What system? DIY? What ibc pre made system? Diy? What pole? Electric reel? Makes my head spin 🤪😂 . I’m nearly there in my head tho (I think). Btw they weren’t questions for u they’re the questions swirling round my nut lol

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Davy G
2 minutes ago, Potta81 said:

I’m finding this out, what van? What system? DIY? What ibc pre made system? Diy? What pole? Electric reel? Makes my head spin 🤪😂 . I’m nearly there in my head tho (I think). Btw they weren’t questions for u they’re the questions swirling round my nut lol

My head's been swirling since I started over five years ago. I never stop trying to improve my equipment, my business and my efficiency. I always try to think things through and mostly I've been lucky enough to get it right first time. 🙂

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Potta81
4 minutes ago, Davy G said:

My head's been swirling since I started over five years ago. I never stop trying to improve my equipment, my business and my efficiency. I always try to think things through and mostly I've been lucky enough to get it right first time. 🙂

I find this forum a big help & everyone seems happy enough to advise where possible. So many things I wouldn’t have known about regarding Wfp without being on here. A god send tbf

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Davy G
6 minutes ago, Potta81 said:

I find this forum a big help & everyone seems happy enough to advise where possible. So many things I wouldn’t have known about regarding Wfp without being on here. A god send tbf

Yep! Certainly been a great help to me in the past five plus years. In a while you'll have gained a lot of knowledge and experience and you'll be able to help others as they start out. 🙂

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adamangler

The slx is a much better pole than the clx.

 

But for anything 25ft or above it has to be the extreme. 

 

I have an old clx 27 in the van as a spare and I have an extreme 25. 

 

The clx seems ridiculous in comparison to the extreme. heavy, bendy and whippy. 

 

 

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spruce

My SLX22 is now 8 years old and all its had are new smart clamps, stop tape replaced numerous times and 3 or 4 coats (at different times) of engine lacquer.

 

It started off life with an Aquadaptor for many years and was replaced with the mark one Univalve. I truly can't complain.

 

In 2009 I purchased a CLX22 and had that as my main pole for a couple of years. It was then relegated to backup pole with a flocked brush in the van for leaded windows when I bought the SLX22. It did a reasonable amount of work but needs new smart clamps fitted. Its hardly worth spending that money on it tbh as a replacement is not very expensive.

 

It was retired to the garage when SIL left us and handed back his rather well used SLX22 pole. I did buy a set of smart clamps for the CLX but used them on reconditioning that returned pole SIL had.

 

I did quite enjoy the flex of the CLX for cleaning windows above a conservatory roof from the side and used that flex to my advantage. I still miss that when using the SLX22.

I have toyed with eventually replacing the SLX22 with an SLX27 but am concerned about the slight extra weight and slight increased pole diamt with my arthritic hands.

But the SLX27 will reduce the number of times I need to get the SLX40 out to reach those few windows I can reach with my SLX22.

 

 

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adamangler
6 minutes ago, spruce said:

My SLX22 is now 8 years old and all its had are new smart clamps, stop tape replaced numerous times and 3 or 4 coats (at different times) of engine lacquer.

 

It started off life with an Aquadaptor for many years and was replaced with the mark one Univalve. I truly can't complain.

 

In 2009 I purchased a CLX22 and had that as my main pole for a couple of years. It was then relegated to backup pole with a flocked brush in the van for leaded windows when I bought the SLX22. It did a reasonable amount of work but needs new smart clamps fitted. Its hardly worth spending that money on it tbh as a replacement is not very expensive.

 

It was retired to the garage when SIL left us and handed back his rather well used SLX22 pole. I did buy a set of smart clamps for the CLX but used them on reconditioning that returned pole SIL had.

 

I did quite enjoy the flex of the CLX for cleaning windows above a conservatory roof from the side and used that flex to my advantage. I still miss that when using the SLX22.

I have toyed with eventually replacing the SLX22 with an SLX27 but am concerned about the slight extra weight and slight increased pole diamt with my arthritic hands.

But the SLX27 will reduce the number of times I need to get the SLX40 out to reach those few windows I can reach with my SLX22.

 

 

 

 

What I would do spruce is buy an extension for the 22 to make it a 27.

 

Then buy a new slx 18

 

The 27 will last ages as won't get used nearly as much and the 18 will wear fast but cheaper to replace. 

 

I have an slx 18 and an extreme 25.

 

I probably use the slx 70/80% of the time with the extreme coming out a handful of times a day. 

 

The idea being the extreme should last a few years and is light where I need it over connys and in angles etc. 

 

An slx 18 is a very light pole and stiff when used straight up on run of the mill property's. 

 

The only other pole I have is an old clz 27 with an extension so its about 32ft I think. It's horrible at that height but only needed maybe 5 times a month for a few velux windows so makes no sense to replace it for this purpose. 

 

But of course it depends on your round

 

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Part Timer
21 minutes ago, adamangler said:

The clx seems ridiculous in comparison to the extreme. heavy, bendy and whippy. 

But a quarter of the price, ok if you can afford the extra expense

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I've only been doing this job for 9 years and I'm starting to feel old. The new guys saying they can't control a CLX and it's to heavy should try and use a metal or fibreglass pole. They'd sharp appreciate a CLX pole. 

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