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Exchef93

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Exchef93

I was trawling back through previous posts, and someone posted some photos of their ladder asking if it was safe, and it made me laugh reading the responses.

 

Whilst out working today i was thinking about it and the ladder climbs i do on a day to day basis for the last 7 years...

 

Took a couple pictures for you, to see how much it would make you wfp guys twitch.

 

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Part Timer

Doesn't make me twitch at all, then again I wouldn't do it as I don't have to. I suppose if you think you're being clever, brave, whatever risking your life for a tenner an hour then that's up to you.

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Exchef93
1 minute ago, Part Timer said:

Doesn't make me twitch at all, then again I wouldn't do it as I don't have to. I suppose if you think you're being clever, brave, whatever risking your life for a tenner an hour then that's up to you.

It's nothing to do with being clever or brave, it's just what im used to doing, and climbs like this don't bother me. 

 

I only started working this job as a 6 month interim job... that was 7 years ago. But the job pays my mortgage and im happy with my wages.

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wee man

Thing is a lot on here done that for years and now we don't have too. 

I personally was on the ladders for over 20 years and done a lot worse than that every day. Work is so much more enjoyable now. 

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HWCS

11 days on the sofa i had when i came off a ladder placed exactly how you have these.

No wages, no fun

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Exchef93

I agree, i have to do much worse than this regularly, but this one job just paralleled the previous post i was refering to.

I dont regularly take photo's of things like this, its just what i was thinking about whilst cleaning.

 

My point is that i dont think/feel these ladder positions are that bad, im always perfectly happy on it like this, but i spend all day on it as im the tops man

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Pjj
1 hour ago, Exchef93 said:

I was trawling back through previous posts, and someone posted some photos of their ladder asking if it was safe, and it made me laugh reading the responses.

 

Whilst out working today i was thinking about it and the ladder climbs i do on a day to day basis for the last 7 years...

 

Took a couple pictures for you, to see how much it would make you wfp guys twitch.

 

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Lol brings back memories of 20 years ago did very similar things , I cringe now when I think of some jobs I used to do wouldn’t dream of doing it now 

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dmw

More to the point, why do you need to mess about with awkward heavy triple ladders?

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Exchef93
15 minutes ago, dmw said:

More to the point, why do you need to mess about with awkward heavy triple ladders?

What would you recommend instead?

 

The different ranges of height i can get to works for me, if i ever need to split it and use 1 piece as an A ladder i cann if i need to tie 2 pieces together and lift them onto a balcony i can.

 

The weight doesn't come into it because i have it on my shoulder for 90% of the jobs so im just used to it

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Pjj
2 minutes ago, Exchef93 said:

What would you recommend instead?

 

The different ranges of height i can get to works for me, if i ever need to split it and use 1 piece as an A ladder i cann if i need to tie 2 pieces together and lift them onto a balcony i can.

 

The weight doesn't come into it because i have it on my shoulder for 90% of the jobs so im just used to it

Have you ever tried Ramsey pointers ?? They are very good much better than a normal ladder and easier to use safely on uneven ground 

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P4dstar

Van mounted WFP delivery system £1k

Pole £300

RO £650

Removing the risk of falling off a ladder... Priceless. 

There are some things in life that money can't buy (Like common sense) for everything else there's Mastercard 😂😂😂

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Exchef93
5 minutes ago, Pjj said:

Have you ever tried Ramsey pointers ?? They are very good much better than a normal ladder and easier to use safely on uneven ground 

Can't say i have, just had a little google. might put the question to the boss next time i snap a run. These titan ladders only tend to last a couple of years before the bottom run gets worn out and snaps off.

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Pjj
1 minute ago, Exchef93 said:

Can't say i have, just had a little google. might put the question to the boss next time i snap a run. These titan ladders only tend to last a couple of years before the bottom run gets worn out and snaps off.

 

 

Well worth a look when I was trad I had them in 3 meter 4meter and 5 meter doubles very good ladder not affected in wind like your triples would be and easier to carry , I now carry a 3:5 double inside the van for the odd occasions we need a ladder . 

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Exchef93
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11 minutes ago, P4dstar said:

Van mounted WFP delivery system £1k

Pole £300

RO £650

Removing the risk of falling off a ladder... Priceless. 

There are some things in life that money can't buy (Like common sense) for everything else there's Mastercard 😂😂😂

The company i work for has 2, 2 man vans running the wfp systems, and then me and my partner working trad from an estate car. 

 

Multiple reasons we are not wfp aswell, we are the sort of "clean up crew". all of our rounds are built mostly out of custys that refuse to have wfp. But as we as a company have been doing some of these custys 25+ years, there is also effort made to keep them with a service. Aswell as picking up loads that specifically want a trad cleaner.

 

Neither of us can fill a van from our own house's because we're both employees, and i  personally cant get a hose to the road. But the other 2 vans are filled off water rates instead of meter from the drivers houses

 

 

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mike007
8 hours ago, Exchef93 said:

What would you recommend instead?

 

The different ranges of height i can get to works for me, if i ever need to split it and use 1 piece as an A ladder i cann if i need to tie 2 pieces together and lift them onto a balcony i can.

 

The weight doesn't come into it because i have it on my shoulder for 90% of the jobs so im just used to it

And useful if doing terraces, going down the entries.

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P4dstar
8 hours ago, Exchef93 said:

The company i work for has 2, 2 man vans running the wfp systems, and then me and my partner working trad from an estate car. 

 

Multiple reasons we are not wfp aswell, we are the sort of "clean up crew". all of our rounds are built mostly out of custys that refuse to have wfp. But as we as a company have been doing some of these custys 25+ years, there is also effort made to keep them with a service. Aswell as picking up loads that specifically want a trad cleaner.

 

Neither of us can fill a van from our own house's because we're both employees, and i  personally cant get a hose to the road. But the other 2 vans are filled off water rates instead of meter from the drivers houses

 

 

I wasn't knocking you directly mate. I am shocked to hear that someone is sending you out to clean trad when they are a WFP company. The H&S executives advice is that all tasks should be completed in 'The safest possible manner'. As the company is clearly aware of the WFP they should be using that for your safety.

 

With regards to fill ups there is spotless water and other such sites. A company with 3 vans could probably benefit from a central filling point, it shouldn't be down to an employee to fill up. As for the customers wanting trad, thats a cop out on your bosses behalf IMHO. It's easy to fall back on you when a customer says they want traditional instead of asking why. Offer to clean a window for them with the WFP and they usually come around, especially if they have had issues in the past.

 

I hope they ban all but essential ladder work. I mean that with absolutely no disrespect to the trad cleaners on the forum, I am thinking for their safety as much as anything else. We all go out to pay the bills, no one should end up coming home in a wheelchair, on crutches or worse.

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mike007
4 minutes ago, P4dstar said:

I wasn't knocking you directly mate. I am shocked to hear that someone is sending you out to clean trad when they are a WFP company. The H&S executives advice is that all tasks should be completed in 'The safest possible manner'. As the company is clearly aware of the WFP they should be using that for your safety.

 

With regards to fill ups there is spotless water and other such sites. A company with 3 vans could probably benefit from a central filling point, it shouldn't be down to an employee to fill up. As for the customers wanting trad, thats a cop out on your bosses behalf IMHO. It's easy to fall back on you when a customer says they want traditional instead of asking why. Offer to clean a window for them with the WFP and they usually come around, especially if they have had issues in the past.

 

I hope they ban all but essential ladder work. I mean that with absolutely no disrespect to the trad cleaners on the forum, I am thinking for their safety as much as anything else. We all go out to pay the bills, no one should end up coming home in a wheelchair, on crutches or worse.

Shocked that some customers want Trad!!!!!!!!. In the real world it aint just all about WFP. And Trad guys use a risk assesment every time they put a ladder against a wall etc(they decide if it is safe to climb up it), just as a WFP guy should every time they drag their hose from their van put numerous cones and signs along the hose route to prevent members of the public from tripping (but do they...NO) one sign is not sufficient!

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Stevieboy
10 hours ago, Exchef93 said:

I agree, i have to do much worse than this regularly, but this one job just paralleled the previous post i was refering to.

I dont regularly take photo's of things like this, its just what i was thinking about whilst cleaning.

 

My point is that i dont think/feel these ladder positions are that bad, im always perfectly happy on it like this, but i spend all day on it as im the tops man

I guess the only time you will feel these ladder positions are bad is when you land with a bump. It’s ok taking risks to pay your mortgage but doing it to line your bosses pocket is something else. Hope someone reports you for breaching H and S before you fall off mate. Good luck. 

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Master Jedi Alejandro
15 minutes ago, mike007 said:

Shocked that some customers want Trad!!!!!!!!. In the real world it aint just all about WFP. And Trad guys use a risk assesment every time they put a ladder against a wall etc(they decide if it is safe to climb up it), just as a WFP guy should every time they drag their hose from their van put numerous cones and signs along the hose route to prevent members of the public from tripping (but do they...NO) one sign is not sufficient!

No mate the risks aren’t the same. Every trad cleaner I know has been injured at some point in their career. It’s not they weren’t safety conscience, it’s they are human and make mistakes. You move your ladders how many times a day? At some point your gonna place them wrong.  
 

And tripping over a hose is a lot less dangerous than falling from a ladder. Most folk wouldn’t even be injured asides from maybe some bruises and cuts (older folk and infirm being the exception). Any age can be badly hurt from a fall from a ladder. Add to that a lot of WFP cleaners I know personally use a trolly or backpack rather than van mount. I do agree you need to make sure your hose is safe, but the risks aren’t comparable (also the risk to the member of the public is so low as the chances of them walking along the street while you are working is low, while the risk to you is high as your always up the ladder). 

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mike007
2 minutes ago, Master Jedi Alejandro said:

No mate the risks aren’t the same. Every trad cleaner I know has been injured at some point in their career. It’s not they weren’t safety conscience, it’s they are human and make mistakes. You move your ladders how many times a day? At some point your gonna place them wrong.  
 

And tripping over a hose is a lot less dangerous than falling from a ladder. Most folk wouldn’t even be injured asides from maybe some bruises and cuts (older folk and infirm being the exception). Any age can be badly hurt from a fall from a ladder. Add to that a lot of WFP cleaners I know personally use a trolly or backpack rather than van mount. I do agree you need to make sure your hose is safe, but the risks aren’t comparable (also the risk to the member of the public is so low as the chances of them walking along the street while you are working is low, while the risk to you is high as your always up the ladder). 

Trip hazard is a trip hazard...thing is WFP guys should negate the risks of injury to the public by using more signs cones etc especially if their hoses cross entrances/walkways/pavements...but that would make the job slower...but safety of the public must take priority!!!.Once the where there is blame, there is a claim guys start twigging on to this, the WFP industry will have to change.

 

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Master Jedi Alejandro
12 minutes ago, mike007 said:

Trip hazard is a trip hazard...thing is WFP guys should negate the risks of injury to the public by using more signs cones etc especially if their hoses cross entrances/walkways/pavements...but that would make the job slower...but safety of the public must take priority!!!.Once the where there is blame, there is a claim guys start twigging on to this, the WFP industry will have to change.

 

Personally I do use signs when crossing public areas, but the trip hazard doesn’t change the fact it’s still a lot safer than ladders. If it does become a issue, folk suing over it and getting easy payouts, then maybe we’ll need to move towards trolleys more than van mounts. Slower, unfortunately, but still a lot safer than going up and down ladders. 

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Iron Giant

You can place as many cones out as you want, but it simply isn't possible to cover all bases up to 100 metres, a partially sighted guy with a white stick who lives near a job I do see's the hose every time and steps over it, a brightly coloured hose on a pavement isn't hard to spot at all, neither is someone with with a sign written van and working in a street put them altogether and it doesn't take Einstein to work things out it just needs common sense from the general public

The employer of this author's post should have provided adequate training along with anti-slip devices and ladder mitts for the ladder to be used as required, rather than sending people out to crack on as they see fit, such as pulling ladders up on to a balcony and I can only assume you are using ladders on a balcony to reach higher windows, some H&S been disregarded by your employer here 

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P4dstar

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Well that put the cat among the pigeons 😂 

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Stevieboy
2 hours ago, P4dstar said:

bored animation GIF by Jade Xuan Wu
Well that put the cat among the pigeons 😂 

And the cowboys amongst the Indians. 

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Dave B
13 hours ago, Exchef93 said:

Can't say i have, just had a little google. might put the question to the boss next time i snap a run. These titan ladders only tend to last a couple of years before the bottom run gets worn out and snaps off.

It's called a rung lol.

Why **** about with ladders when there are safer ways to do it.

I was trad for 26 years and wfp is a game changer.

All these idiots showing what silly angles they have their ladders and the risks they take with their lives isn't good.

Doesn't make you a hard man it just makes you look an idiot .

No fun falling from a ladder as I proved 2 weeks ago when I broke a plant pot with my head falling headfirst from gutter height and I thought the ladder angle was fine.

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CMcB

The pictures in the original post did make me twitch! Especially the one where it seems only one side of the ladder is touching the sill. Im ok to admit it, nothing to prove! Funnily enough, for all the risky angles, setups etc I used to use with the ladders, the one that was finally my "downfall" was on straight even ground. It was friday afternoon and I was tired from a weeks work and just set it up wrong. It just takes one slip. Whereas one slip with a waterfed pole and you maybe have to buy a new section

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Martyn

I don't want to get into a bunfight on ladders, heck I did four years of trad before I converted but like anyone with a bit of experience I certainly know that adrenaline is brown. 😲

One of my customers used to have her windows and other things done by a jack of all trades type of guy, one day he fell off his ladder whilst painting someones fascia, not a big fall, but the people came home and found him dead. 😥

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Exchef93
46 minutes ago, Dave B said:

It's called a rung lol.

Sorry i  didnt realise literacy was an important part of my job... guess i should have studied harder back at school.

 

48 minutes ago, Dave B said:

 

No fun falling from a ladder as I proved 2 weeks ago when I broke a plant pot with my head falling headfirst from gutter height and I thought the ladder angle was fine.

 What were you doing on a ladder at gutter height if your wfp?

 

 

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Dave B
4 minutes ago, Exchef93 said:

Sorry i  didnt realise literacy was an important part of my job... guess i should have studied harder back at school.

 

 What were you doing on a ladder at gutter height if your wfp?

 

 

Can't clear a gutter wfp lol

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Exchef93
2 hours ago, Iron Giant said:

The employer of this author's post should have provided adequate training along with anti-slip devices and ladder mitts for the ladder to be used as required, rather than sending people out to crack on as they see fit, such as pulling ladders up on to a balcony and I can only assume you are using ladders on a balcony to reach higher windows, some H&S been disregarded by your employer here 

 

I did get ladder handling training when i started, but no we dont have an anti slip mat in the car, not sure i would even bother with one if it was, if i think something might be slippery i will just get my partner to foot. Ladder mitts are in the car, but only really use them on freshly painted houses, other than that i dont like them because i dont feel as stable.

We also have a 20ft wfp and a portable resin filter that hooks up to a tap for the ones that are stupid to get to on a ladder

 

Everyone that trads knows what they should and shouldnt do, if i ever didnt want to do something, my boss would never penalize me for it. I decide every climb whether or not to do it and if im happy i will go up

 

I think there is some H&S ignored by both parties tbh, just think you gotta use your common sense as to what you do and dont do

1 hour ago, Dave B said:

Why **** about with ladders when there are safer ways to do it.

 

Why were you not using a gutter vac instead of taking a risk using a ladder?

It's a safer way of doing it...

 

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