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Husband considering career change



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wezza13

Good luck to you (and your husband) starting out. Whilst it's true that there are negatives to overcome, the positives far outweigh them and it's a very rewarding job when done right 👍

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THL4KEL

I have family/friends who have asked me from time to time - price it all up for me the equipment, marketing costs ect, as they want to be self employed... Basically in so many words they want a business plan for exterior cleaning.

 

So I gathered all this information for them  free off charge to try and help them out.

 

The outcome they couldn't be bothered with it.. 

 

I don't bother doing this anymore BTW.

 

As Scottish mentioned he should be gathering this information if he is motivated to want to do it himself. 

 

This is the time of year when more people than any other month hand in their notices.. 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, THL4KEL said:

I have family/friends who have asked me from time to time - price it all up for me the equipment, marketing costs ect, as they want to be self employed... Basically in so many words they want a business plan for exterior cleaning.

 

So I gathered all this information for them  free off charge to try and help them out.

 

The outcome they couldn't be bothered with it.. 

 

I don't bother doing this anymore BTW.

 

As Scottish mentioned he should be gathering this information if he is motivated to want to do it himself. 

 

This is the time of year when more people than any other month hand in their notices.. 

 

 

He has got a business plan to complete when he has all the accounts info from this guy and he has been in touch with his mate constantly regarding how it works, timings etc he has got a hell of a lot of info to look over. 

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8 minutes ago, THL4KEL said:

I have family/friends who have asked me from time to time - price it all up for me the equipment, marketing costs ect, as they want to be self employed... Basically in so many words they want a business plan for exterior cleaning.

 

So I gathered all this information for them  free off charge to try and help them out.

 

The outcome they couldn't be bothered with it.. 

 

I don't bother doing this anymore BTW.

 

As Scottish mentioned he should be gathering this information if he is motivated to want to do it himself. 

 

This is the time of year when more people than any other month hand in their notices.. 

 

 

 

I forgot about the time of year, Good Point. New Year Resolutions, folk off for two weeks and can't be bothered going back to same old job. The good thing about this job is you can transition in slowly over weekends. If you are not willing to forgo your weekends then the motivation isn't really there. Like most, I struggled for two years to put it all together but once its in place its fairly simple.

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Stevieboy

So is filling the van up with pure sorted? It’s alright looking at the figures but if you can’t fill the van with pure you won’t make a lot of money. 

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james82

Some of the best rounds I have iv bought of another window cleaner.  I would highly recommend he does the round a few times with the other window cleaner though.  Iv found from all rounds iv bought the smoothest transitions were when they got to meet me a few times 1st. 

Also in my case the window cleaner told them he was my uncle.  People really like the thought of the business kept in the family.  My only concern is the price of the jobs. If it was me and they hadn't been put up for years I'd ask him to put them up a quid each 1st and tell him youd take any potential loss. I wouldn't expect a loss. It may mean you pay slightly more for the round if your unlucky but it's worth it. 

In my experience hed be able to increase prices but not your hubby straight away.  In fact your husband may want to wait a couple or 3 years before the 1st increase so he don't lose a load.  

More importantly would be newly canvassed work. 

I made the mistake early on of charging to cheap. 

Nowadays I would never take on a 3 bedroom house for less than £15.

Over the next few years I'm looking to get most my jobs up to about 18-20 quid each. 

This is Birmingham I'm pricing in.

I used to think I couldn't get more then about £10-12 . It's though taking to lads on here that gave me the confidence to price higher.  What surprised me the most was most people that were interested in having a window cleaner never batted an eyelid when I started saying 15 front and back.  If hubby is motivated he can do well at this but he must charge enough. 

Not every day is workable. 

Example iv not been able to work at all this week yet.

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Haychh
2 hours ago, MrsC2014 said:

He has got a business plan to complete when he has all the accounts info from this guy and he has been in touch with his mate constantly regarding how it works, timings etc he has got a hell of a lot of info to look over. 


Have u thought about divorcing your husband and finding a new husband on here who already has an established round? 😁 

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MrsC2014
21 minutes ago, Haychh said:


Have u thought about divorcing your husband and finding a new husband on here who already has an established round? 😁 

I'm open to offers 😂😂😂

 

i'm a good house wife and a very capable cook 😂😂😂

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scottish cleaning service

I just got rained off again this afternoon. Rains quite a lot up here so you still have to go out but the customers would prefer me to clean when its dry. Wouldn't work much if i only cleaned when its dry I tell them.

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Iron Giant

@MrsC2014 I think you need commending for coming on here seeking advice you seem very switched on and I assume you husband is also, I would still encourage him to come on here to have a broader view of the industry rather than with respect one or two peoples views and their own way of running a business,

Based on what you have told us regarding job numbers and turnover with an average job price of £8.00 across the board not per job this is low as noted before by @Pjj and average job price based on a residential round should be £10+, this has had me thinking the the jobs are under priced and may not have been increased for a good number of years all speculation of course, there are many window cleaners some who have been trading over 25 years and are too cheap for today's market, this can fall under a number of factors but generally inferior service in some way, undervaluing themselves and frightened of losing jobs 

To give you some idea lets assume the area you live is similar to mine, I am based in County Durham still an old mentality in the old pit villages etc of low pricing etc and windys shouldn't be paid much and a good many doing under priced work and haven't moved with the times in terms of modernising a business in terms of managing rounds, admin and still doing evening cash collections, this old guy might have all cash payers who see fit to pay him as when they see fit, effective management of client debt is an ongoing thing and turning over £800 a week may only see you with around £500 of that collected and banked by the end of week one and this continues each week, each month and so on. 

Now as price examples, here we go a 3 bed semi without a porch or conservatory and also a 4 bed detached house no extension or conservatory and to include a full a through clean of all glass, frames, sills and doors a 3 bed should be £8.50 and a 4 bed £11-12, now thinking on your average job price I would hazard a guess this old guy selling the round could be charging £6 for a 3 bed and £8 for a 4 bed unless there is a lot of terraced houses at £5-6, these prices do vary across the UK with some lads charging quite a bit more but I am trying to be a little more realistic 

He won't learn all he needs to know from his friend about pricing and any issues one encounters on a daily basis and his friend may not always be able to help when needed, to grow a business and discover just how you want to grow and mould your own business and make it a success, a forum such as ours can be invaluable, I have been trading almost 20 years and I am still learning most days 

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maxbruffell

@MrsC2014

 

I may have missed it but whereabouts is this round based? That will play a part in your pricing for sure!

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MrsC2014
11 minutes ago, maxbruffell said:

@MrsC2014

 

I may have missed it but whereabouts is this round based? That will play a part in your pricing for sure!

Pontefract

55 minutes ago, Iron Giant said:

@MrsC2014 I think you need commending for coming on here seeking advice you seem very switched on and I assume you husband is also, I would still encourage him to come on here to have a broader view of the industry rather than with respect one or two peoples views and their own way of running a business,

Based on what you have told us regarding job numbers and turnover with an average job price of £8.00 across the board not per job this is low as noted before by @Pjj and average job price based on a residential round should be £10+, this has had me thinking the the jobs are under priced and may not have been increased for a good number of years all speculation of course, there are many window cleaners some who have been trading over 25 years and are too cheap for today's market, this can fall under a number of factors but generally inferior service in some way, undervaluing themselves and frightened of losing jobs 

To give you some idea lets assume the area you live is similar to mine, I am based in County Durham still an old mentality in the old pit villages etc of low pricing etc and windys shouldn't be paid much and a good many doing under priced work and haven't moved with the times in terms of modernising a business in terms of managing rounds, admin and still doing evening cash collections, this old guy might have all cash payers who see fit to pay him as when they see fit, effective management of client debt is an ongoing thing and turning over £800 a week may only see you with around £500 of that collected and banked by the end of week one and this continues each week, each month and so on. 

Now as price examples, here we go a 3 bed semi without a porch or conservatory and also a 4 bed detached house no extension or conservatory and to include a full a through clean of all glass, frames, sills and doors a 3 bed should be £8.50 and a 4 bed £11-12, now thinking on your average job price I would hazard a guess this old guy selling the round could be charging £6 for a 3 bed and £8 for a 4 bed unless there is a lot of terraced houses at £5-6, these prices do vary across the UK with some lads charging quite a bit more but I am trying to be a little more realistic 

He won't learn all he needs to know from his friend about pricing and any issues one encounters on a daily basis and his friend may not always be able to help when needed, to grow a business and discover just how you want to grow and mould your own business and make it a success, a forum such as ours can be invaluable, I have been trading almost 20 years and I am still learning most days 

I will look over the books but I know he said that the prices vary he has some bungalows which he only charges some old dears £3.50 to do their windows and then some houses he charges £15 for. I need to look over this over the next week or so. It’s all making me feel sick and exhausted but if it’s a good bet I’ll embrace it. 

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NoName

MrsC

 

First off 10/10 for having hubby's back 👍 I say do it!

 

Personally I 'love' my chosen career, you have so much freedom, meet interesting people, everyone please to see you (or maybe that's just me 😉, you are your own boss, no office politics, work when you want (scheduled of course), no fear of losing your job (everyone's not going to suddenly stop/move at the same time)

 

The job is easy, hard work yes but easy, no more aching brain at the end of day, LOW stress, working outdoors, but your hubby may find his body is more tired...I prefer it that way round. You need to fine working on your own, some days I speak to no one (personal DAB and radio 4/talksport and you're away)

 

I canvassed my round, it was a long, tiring process, some hate it (I loved it) in retrospective if you have the funds buying a 'good' round makes a lot of sense , you'll be earning decent income from day 1...compared with a slow start slowly building each month. You're also get all the gear and van...which if it's WFP is a massive learning curve you don't need to scale...just yet.

 

Retiring is a good reason to be selling...just make sure it's all legit real income/real customers...etc like buying a car

 

If the old boy is retiring, his custy's will know already, so make sure he starts telling all his custy's asap - get hubby to print/get printed leaflets with the old boy's details introducing he's 'handing' over to hubby - write it so it's about them not you - 'don't worry when I retire you'll still have the same excellent service by a colleague who is taking over from me, etc, get hubby to write a little bio with contact details/pics etc - tell'em nothing should change. This will manage customers expectations... people don't like surprises especially with a stranger at their home and when surprised tend to reactive badly...which is why many lose custy's -  Ask the old boy to hand them/post them thru each customers door so there's continuity and they know already what's in store. It would be good to get hubby to work the round on the last time with the old boy, again so hubby is familiar with the property and the change feels natural or atleast call by with a 30 sec hand over spiel...

 

Some focus on what everyone else is charging and think they can't possibly charge more...I say people buy from people and willingly pay more for a friendly face/chat and great service...so don't UNDER PRICE  (£8/house is lowend), For NEW WORK charge what you would be happy is a fair (to both sides) price (remember old boys round has probably not keep up with inflation every year since it picked it up) 80-90% of times you'll get the work at the price you're happy about - this way you can increase the income fairly easily...it's much hard to raise them afterwards...

 

Read, read read all relevant posts/topics on here it's a  great resource.

 

Wishing you and hubby success...(it really isn't rocket science) 

 

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Part Timer

At the end of the day if the figures are correct, and the customers stay with him, you are buying a business that is making semi decent money, for time spent working. The fact that the work might be under priced doesn't matter hugely. Yes it would be nice if the £1600 nett was £2400 nett but it isn't. What it does do though is it gives you a foundation to try and get better priced work in. You can afford to start quoting £12 on jobs you're currently only getting £8 and review in a month or so, you might have to settle at £10, £8 might be the limit in your area, we don't know. As I've always said to newbies, anyone that leaves the safety of a paid job to the uncertainty of being self employed will always have my utmost respect. 

I still say that there aren't many better paid semi skilled labouring jobs, for the established, out there. Good luck and don't give hubby to hard of a time 😀

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Pjj
30 minutes ago, MrsC2014 said:

Pontefract

I will look over the books but I know he said that the prices vary he has some bungalows which he only charges some old dears £3.50 to do their windows and then some houses he charges £15 for. I need to look over this over the next week or so. It’s all making me feel sick and exhausted but if it’s a good bet I’ll embrace it. 

 

 

Its nice to be able to help people less fortunate than yourself and we do some cheap jobs for oaps etc and evan free bees occasionally if there is a need but when starting out you need to be able to pay your own bills be careful you arnt taking on underpriced work as it will soon become a millstone round your neck , I don’t want to be negative but you need to go round to each job look at it and evaluate if it’s priced right , if the guy is about to retire maybe he was doing it for pocket money , no mortgage etc , it’s a totally different world when you rely on it to pay all bills , mortgage, bring up kids and so the list goes on , Ime sure most of it would be ok to start with it’s a foot up the ladder but you don’t want to be servicing underpriced work , when I started over 20 years ago I was a very busy fool beacause I underpriced work , I was very naive, I have now got a very good priced round but it took a long to get it there . 

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dmw

I'm surmising that it's a fairly compact round so even if it's a little low priced  with volume you should still earn  quiet well from it. When I bought a round I left it a year and then put the prices up every two years. And all he work  I took on was at a price I was happy with.

Also I didn't bother asking for 3 years accounts and bank statements etc,  I just got introduced to the customers agreed on a price with the vendor shook hands and cracked on with it. I didn't get ripped off or lose any customers.

Sometimes you just have to go for it.

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NoName

MrsC (Sssh don't tell any Windies this as they might not appreciate it) but just between use you can always get several quotes to get YOUR windows cleaned - the you'll have some sort of guide as to what to charge

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AGlassAct
38 minutes ago, NoName said:

MrsC (Sssh don't tell any Windies this as they might not appreciate it) but just between use you can always get several quotes to get YOUR windows cleaned - the you'll have some sort of guide as to what to charge


This is the first thing I did before I took the plunge, I also got some friends and family to ask too. Call it market research as it gives an up to date measure of your ‘competitors’ and current market value.

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Iron Giant
1 hour ago, NoName said:

(£8/house is lowend)


All depends were you are in the UK £8 for a 3 bed semi in areas of the north east of england were I am is good going, there are still people charging £5-6, yet other parts of the UK lads will Get £12-15 pricing is relative to the area, my work area, across the board the cleaners I know and their prices or what clients have told me when people have been out canvassing is they can be anywhere between £2-6 cheaper than me on average yet some have been trading 25+ years even some of the newer lads are pricing low 

New and old there is a good number that don't have a minimum price and this can be their downfall, yet some price low have 1 -2 lads working for them and clash the work out, but not too a quality standard, I went and priced 6 jobs last year in the same street were prices were half of what I would charge, needless to say I never got a single job and they stuck with the other guy who did a shoddy job and they were apparently sick of. 

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Dave B
1 hour ago, Iron Giant said:


All depends were you are in the UK £8 for a 3 bed semi in areas of the north east of england were I am is good going, there are still people charging £5-6, yet other parts of the UK lads will Get £12-15 pricing is relative to the area, my work area, across the board the cleaners I know and their prices or what clients have told me when people have been out canvassing is they can be anywhere between £2-6 cheaper than me on average yet some have been trading 25+ years even some of the newer lads are pricing low 

New and old there is a good number that don't have a minimum price and this can be their downfall, yet some price low have 1 -2 lads working for them and clash the work out, but not too a quality standard, I went and priced 6 jobs last year in the same street were prices were half of what I would charge, needless to say I never got a single job and they stuck with the other guy who did a shoddy job and they were apparently sick of. 

Exactly mate.. as long as you charge at the higher end of what is attainable in your area you can't do anymore.

I won't get out my van nowadays for less that £12. But I am in the Hertfordshire/London area.

I would rather struggle at first but know the jobs I do get are priced well than be too busy in a years time but still not making enough money.

It took me a couple of years to learn that for myself back in the 90's when the beer money guys were still out and about.

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solarpanelcleaningltd
10 hours ago, cleaniac said:

Buying rounds can be tricky. 

 

The best bet would be to see if the rounds for sale can be backed up with tax returns, and accounts. If he can show at least 3 years consistent performance from the goodwill then it's worth buying and is a quick way into the business.

 

If they cannot, and he is selling a "list" then it's a big risk, and your better off using some of that 10k and going out yourself to get the work. 

 

I will hasten to add, many people think window cleaning will provide financial freedom, and eventually it does. But it will take you YEARS to get to the levels you dream of. Not to discourage you, but be realistic.

 

 

You can hit the vat threshold in a couple of years surely? If you give everything you’ve got.

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laddergarder

If your not sure. Don't start a business. Because you'll get plenty of knocks allong the way. Its no plain sailing. 

 

10k I could start a window cleaning business from scratch no problem. I have no doubt you and your husband could also.

 

You mentioned his hours not being reliable. After over 12 years at it, I have always been able to pay myself a steady wage. But there are plenty of times when I just can't get out. Working weekend after weekend to makeup for bad weather or something else.

 

I started my business with £30. Litterally. No plan. I just had to do it. There is nothing stopping your husband, getting to it right now.

 

He doesnt need to wait until he has bought this round. Or even quit his job, buy some basic gear, get out after/ before work on weekends. Biuld a little customer base and he will know if its for him.

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Pjj

Is this round trad or wfp ?? Have I missed that bit ??? 

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scottish cleaning service
1 minute ago, Pjj said:

Is this round trad or wfp ?? Have I missed that bit ??? 

 

I think its wfp with all the gear included, not sure about a van though.

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cleaniac
1 hour ago, solarpanelcleaningltd said:

You can hit the vat threshold in a couple of years surely? If you give everything you’ve got.

 

Depends if that's financial freedom to you or not I guess...🤔

 

My point is it will take you YEARS to establish a window cleaning business that has fully booked stable consistent rounds with little or nill customer loss/cancellations that are well priced and has built up a local reputation of being excellent. 

 

You can canvass 30k in 3 months with enough manpower, but  half of that will be gone in 18 months and you will have to  keep replacing it until the rounds are stable.

2 hours ago, Dave B said:

Exactly mate.. as long as you charge at the higher end of what is attainable in your area you can't do anymore.

I won't get out my van nowadays for less that £12. But I am in the Hertfordshire/London area.

I would rather struggle at first but know the jobs I do get are priced well than be too busy in a years time but still not making enough money.

It took me a couple of years to learn that for myself back in the 90's when the beer money guys were still out and about.

 

My min price for 2020 is £25.

 

It had been £20 even in 2015..

 

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Cleanco
19 hours ago, MrsC2014 said:

I could actually cry at this response as its one of the very few that instils positivity within me. Did you also build on your round or was it established enough to just go with?

I am on here to garner some advice and support for myself in this jump gathering facts and information that he is getting from his friends who are in the business already. 

It was established enough to go with at first as I came from a fairly low paid job(window cleaning employee) so was pretty much an instant pay rise for a lot less work. Since then over the years it has naturally evolved, never needed to advertise or actively go looking for work as I was happy enough from the start and also once you are established in an area like you will be if you buy a good round the work comes to you. I never bothered with asking for tax evidence, book keeping etc as I knew the work already but if you don’t at very least go out and work ALL the work first meeting as many of the custys as possible. Remember first impressions are vital, over the years my old boss bought loads of work and we very rarely had any drop offs after or during the takeover. Good luck. 

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Cleanco
5 hours ago, cleaniac said:

 

Depends if that's financial freedom to you or not I guess...🤔

 

My point is it will take you YEARS to establish a window cleaning business that has fully booked stable consistent rounds with little or nill customer loss/cancellations that are well priced and has built up a local reputation of being excellent. 

 

You can canvass 30k in 3 months with enough manpower, but  half of that will be gone in 18 months and you will have to  keep replacing it until the rounds are stable.

 

My min price for 2020 is £25.

 

It had been £20 even in 2015..

 

I dont really have a minimum charge and just go off time. I usually aim for around £40/50 per hour so if a 3 bed semi takes 15 mins it’s a £10/12. I’ve been experimenting with going in high on price just recently to see what I could get and I have been surprised but I don’t think anyone would be willing to pay £25 for ten mins work on say a small semi with 8 windows or so. 

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mike007
12 hours ago, NoName said:

MrsC (Sssh don't tell any Windies this as they might not appreciate it) but just between use you can always get several quotes to get YOUR windows cleaned - the you'll have some sort of guide as to what to charge

So it was you wanting a quote!!!!(lol)

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Dave B
1 hour ago, Cleanco said:

I dont really have a minimum charge and just go off time. I usually aim for around £40/50 per hour so if a 3 bed semi takes 15 mins it’s a £10/12. I’ve been experimenting with going in high on price just recently to see what I could get and I have been surprised but I don’t think anyone would be willing to pay £25 for ten mins work on say a small semi with 8 windows or so. 

That's Surrey though.

They will pay those prices.

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On 13/01/2020 at 19:33, MrsC2014 said:

The equipment is offered in the round. I know and the guys earns £1600 he only works 3 weeks a month 4 hours a day so we could easily look to double the round 😍😍

He is going to but that’s not a worry for him regardless of whether he loved it or not the drive to make a better life is so strong for him now. He wants us to have better and do better and do it ourselves. He’s very keen on working for our own future rather than someone elses

on the face of it, that's not such a bad buy, if this were true figures then 15 days a month and only working 4 hours a day relates to just a tad over £25 per hour so with tom being younger and fitter he should in time get quicker and take that hourly rate up to £30 per hour, the guy is retiring and as I have found when buying these types of rounds the work is usually the better paid/easiest and the nicest of customers as he'll have sacked or sold off the bad stuff to make way for a relaxing wind down to retirement.

intresting way to look at these 200 customers when were the gutters last cleaned out?.

are the facias and soffits clean?.

are the pathways or patios slippy and dirty?.

you could have another income stream from day one without the hassle of advertising or door knocking etc etc.

the equipment that's included could very well be a trolly or a backpack and an old fibre glass pole with a really slow producing ro so factor in 1k just for new equipment/ workwear etc.

i'm coming to the understanding that tom doesn't know your on a forum seeking advice to help you both in what is a major decision 

and well done mrs c for biting the bullet and asking for advice 

personally, if the above figures are correct along with the 4 hour day i'd go for it but if, and only if the business or round was sold at a reasonable price 4 maybe 5 times its monthly value is what I would call reasonable equipment value could be a few thousand or a few hundred depending on what it is, work on the theory that you'll need a van for tom to go to work in as its much more professional looking 

and better for carrying allsorts of things that may be needed as work expands.

 

 

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