Political ramblings

[Diwrnach]

So you are saying I should move my 3 children and my wife in with a bunch of others for the next 20 years so I can compete on an even level with Polish workers?

And I don't believe what they are telling you for one second, I have known maybe 10-15 Polish people over the last 10 years and they all do the same thing, where I live in Stratford the hotels/restaurants is full of them.

Nothing against them, a lot have been good friends, they are playing the hand they are dealt and fair play to them.

 

[rshandyman]

I am not saying what you should do,we all have a choice.For instance would you leave family for 8 years abroad and stay and work 15 h a day? I do not think so..Some of my friends are Polish and they are managers and engineers or run business here, one earns over80 k a year and one over 180k running big company and they do not have 2 houses and retired.

 

[Diwrnach]

If I could go somewhere, for 5 years, he has stayed longer just because he loves it here, work my ass off for 5 years and be able to go home and retire, then yeah I bloody would lol

 

[rshandyman]

Easy to say that you would.he loves here and send 90 procent of his money.he must have different perception of happiness then-he has a good life here with little money.

 

[rshandyman]

I would not leave 3 children and wife for such a long time but it is me.

 

[Diwrnach]

He goes back regularly, he has a big van and takes Polish people back home, and brings more over on the return trip.

 

[rshandyman]

10 procent of his earnings go a long way then :van, road tax,insurance,living expences,food,petrol,mot,service,phone etc.I need to put the prices up.smilies do not work on my phone.

 

[Diwrnach]

His van is paid for and more from ferrying people back and forth, his living expenses are almost zero, his food is ahem "free"

 

[Dave B]

I worked for 2012 olympics and was basically in charge of the 70 ish staff we had to sort all the stock being picked for the olympic park

Basically anything the builders didn't put there we did

They were 90% polish and worked their nuts off

As an employer who would you employ?

My mate works on the buildings and the foreman told this english lad to dig a hole..this wide this big crack on with it

Half hour later the guy said sod this I'm off

Tells this polish guy to dig it..no problem

Comes back later and yhe guy is waist deep in a hole happily digging away for a days wage

Who would you employ??

Our youngsters aren't helping things

 

[TolishAPurd]

I worked for 2012 olympics and was basically in charge of the 70 ish staff we had to sort all the stock being picked for the olympic parkBasically anything the builders didn't put there we did

They were 90% polish and worked their nuts off

As an employer who would you employ?

My mate works on the buildings and the foreman told this english lad to dig a hole..this wide this big crack on with it

Half hour later the guy said sod this I'm off

Tells this polish guy to dig it..no problem

Comes back later and yhe guy is waist deep in a hole happily digging away for a days wage

Who would you employ??

Our youngsters aren't helping things

We do have some lazy scrotes, no doubt. But £6 per hour to work as a labourer to our lads is sod all. Where as its a lot to a polish worker living in a shared house with minimal expenses. We all know what it feels like to underquote a job and work for pennies- its very demotivating especially when its hard graft. I'm a big believer that the media push the fact that they are harder working then the natives to help the politicians in thier EU agenda.

When I worked in a hotel, they had a lot of Polish workers which the hotel had actually bought a house to accommodate them- it shows that the hotel must be doing well out of the deal to do that.

 

[rshandyman]

Everyone believes in different things.I still prefer to work for 6 pound then complain and claim benefits.Benefits are needed but are wrongly distributed.All nations have lazy and hard working people but it is no brainer for me who would I employ: hard working, reliable and trustworthy whether Polish, British or Spanish.

 

[norm]

law of supply and demand

oil prices have dropped recently because we have plenty of oil but demand is low

wages stay low because?

wonder why so many of our eec friends like it here, maybe the weather?

wonder why nhs cant cope with all their patients

cameron better find that 2 billion euro soon

if ya have kids living in poland ya can claim child benefit for them and send it"home" after paying couple years tax and insurance

and if ya need a £50 hour interpreter if ya been caught stealing or worse no probs and we are now bringing police over from your country at cost of£850 mil at our expense

same for doctors and hospital if ya need interpreter for these no probs either

if you are a murderer,rapist.robber start a new life here we welcome all

UK great and if it is bled dry can always go home :thumbsup:

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[rshandyman]

Wages are not supply /demand.minimum is regulated, petrol similar not only supply/ demand tax is so high on petrol that this indicate prices more in UK case.I agree that interpreter should be paid by person who is plead quilty.with benefits send abroad is wrong as well.

 

[Diwrnach]

law of supply and demandoil prices have dropped recently because we have plenty of oil but demand is low

wages stay low because?

wonder why so many of our eec friends like it here, maybe the weather?

wonder why nhs cant cope with all their patients

cameron better find that 2 billion euro soon

if ya have kids living in poland ya can claim child benefit for them and send it"home" after paying couple years tax and insurance

and if ya need a £50 hour interpreter if ya been caught stealing or worse no probs and we are now bringing police over from your country at cost of£850 mil at our expense

same for doctors and hospital if ya need interpreter for these no probs either

if you are a murderer,rapist.robber start a new life here we welcome all

UK great and if it is bled dry can always go home :thumbsup:

thoughts? /emoticons/biggrin.png

That is funny you say that about interpreters, when we used to go to our hospital appointments with our first child which is now 7 nearly 8 years ago the waiting room had about 6 other parents, all English speaking, when we went with our last child 3 years ago we were the only English speaking couple there, the other 5 were Polish and they had THREE interpreters working.

That can't be cheap, surely?

 

[norm]

That is funny you say that about interpreters, when we used to go to our hospital appointments with our first child which is now 7 nearly 8 years ago the waiting room had about 6 other parents, all English speaking, when we went with our last child 3 years ago we were the only English speaking couple there, the other 5 were Polish and they had THREE interpreters working.
That can't be cheap, surely?

its cheap if you arent paying for it

 

[norm]

Wages are not supply /demand.minimum is regulated, petrol similar not only supply/ demand tax is so high on petrol that this indicate prices more in UK case.I agree that interpreter should be paid by person who is plead quilty.with benefits send abroad is wrong as well.

a large amount of people and less jobs enables employers to pay the least amount of wages they legally can supply and demand

why give anyone a pay rise they can leave any time and be replaced by a glut of eec people happy to work minimum wage?

a lot of oil and less people buying it drops the amount you pay as is happening now

who pays for all the hundreds of thousands of children going to school who speak english as a second language or not at all?

 

[rshandyman]

Most sectors that we are talking about are on miniumum wage anyway that is why it is not affected the most by demand.petrol in my opinion is affected less by demand and more by situation where you source it, this is happening now as well.

 

[rshandyman]

Do not forget that lower wages in some cases help british manufacturing become more competitive.

 

[rshandyman]

If you are good enough you will get pay rise, experienced and hard working people are more likely to keep their job- no point employing unexperienced and only slightly cheaper worker.the same usually apply to window cleaners so you should understand-you know that custys usually stay with us if we do a good job even when we are 2 poumd more expensive.

 

[rshandyman]

Oil pricing is very complex,demand is one of the factors which I my opinion is not the most important factor.

 

[Smurf]

hmmm...most of the fuel price we pay at the pumps 85% if not more is tax duty so not that complicated to figure out really.

Oil pricing is very complex,demand is one of the factors which I my opinion is not the most important factor.