Second hand or new wfp for a beginner

[kev]

we dont use google on here we use smurfnet...much better...bit pricey but you only get what you pay for:rofl:

Haha

 

[kev]

I do that a lot kev...dont know if you know but if you click the edit button you can alter your post....thats why our gav is the best..I use it all the time...

No i didn't know cheap but thanks for that lol

 

[kev]

Kev this might help http://www.parkers.co.uk/vans/reviews/vauxhall/combo/2001/technical-data/

Thanks for that mate, it is 595kg

 

[cheapncheerful]

dont forget kev....most big wfpers with a van mount...ALSO have a trolley as some places you just need a trolley to get too..../emoticons/biggrin.png

I am sure some of em will confirm that.....so its not a waste of money and allows you to try it out for awhile first ...me after thirty years tradding say that this :addict:

is not the only thing that is addicitive...

 

[Tuffers]

dont forget kev....most big wfpers with a van mount...ALSO have a trolley as some places you just need a trolley to get too..../emoticons/biggrin.png
I am sure some of em will confirm that.....so its not a waste of money and allows you to try it out for awhile first ...me after thirty years tradding say that this :addict:

is not the only thing that is addicitive...

Yep, a trolley is always in the van too.

 

[kev]

Yeah i read that cheap and noticed it with smurfs photo of his van earlier, answering questions or getting important information can be addictive yeah haha, i only can when i've got a little spare time

 

[kev]

I read you can get the trolley on its own for about a 100 quid, but how does that work? Do you rig it upto your main tank? Or is it just a separate trolley system on it's own, i'm sure it's all pretty simple once you know what you are doing, but not so simple if you dont

 

[cheapncheerful]

You can just charge it from the socket and its all ready to go fill it with pure and plug your pole into the hozelock and go...I have only used it on the lowest setting most and it lasts for ages...

I think he sells em a bit cheaper...

 

[kev]

Ok thanks mate, got loads of other questions to ask but i'll leave for another day, signing out adios

 

[spruce]

I know what its like to be in your position.

Before I started wfp I had a Suzuki Carry van and bought the trailer thinking that it was the cheapest and easiest option to get started. The Suzuki van was a 'X' plate, 4 years old when I bought it and had 19k on the clock. I bought a setup around the van.

In hindsight I should have done exactly what I suggested to you in my previous posting. I should have got shot of the van and bought a 'fit for purpose' van.

Two years later we got my son a Peugeot Partner 800 LX, fitted a 500 liter tank and its still in operation today. The system has been fine for the last 7 years.

I struggled on with the Van/trailer combination for 3 years until the trailer fell apart. It was a trailer unit bought from Peter Fogwill. I still seriously considered a braked van trailer with a system inside because I wanted to keep the Suzuki.

I was a typical example of someone who tried to run a system around a van that really wasn't suitable for the job.

3 years ago we put another van on the road - a T220 Transit Connect LWB. We fitted that with a 500 liter tank and sent him out. No issue.

 

[cheapncheerful]

all that pure....me wants more pure...you always want more

 

[kev]

I know what its like to be in your position.
Before I started wfp I had a Suzuki Carry van and bought the trailer thinking that it was the cheapest and easiest option to get started. The Suzuki van was a 'X' plate, 4 years old when I bought it and had 19k on the clock. I bought a setup around the van.

In hindsight I should have done exactly what I suggested to you in my previous posting. I should have got shot of the van and bought a 'fit for purpose' van.

Two years later we got my son a Peugeot Partner 800 LX, fitted a 500 liter tank and its still in operation today. The system has been fine for the last 7 years.

I struggled on with the Van/trailer combination for 3 years until the trailer fell apart. It was a trailer unit bought from Peter Fogwill. I still seriously considered a braked van trailer with a system inside because I wanted to keep the Suzuki.

I was a typical example of someone who tried to run a system around a van that really wasn't suitable for the job.

3 years ago we put another van on the road - a T220 Transit Connect LWB. We fitted that with a 500 liter tank and sent him out. No issue.

Wouldn't a 500 litre tank be too much for my van, it said it is a 595kg maximum payload, but i'd have to take into account the weight of other equipment too, i'm not in a position to get a bigger van at the moment, i'm half way through a £5000 loan i got to buy the round and van

 

[adamangler]

I would get new gear if u can afford it. I ha e a diy trolley and pole and although it does work it occasionally drops to bits but mostly it doesnt feel very professional scrubbing someones windows with a wilko floor brush lol

 

[spruce]

Wouldn't a 500 litre tank be too much for my van, it said it is a 595kg maximum payload, but i'd have to take into account the weight of other equipment too, i'm not in a position to get a bigger van at the moment, i'm half way through a £5000 loan i got to buy the round and van

Then you have to do the best you can. You are right, your van isn't big enough to carry 500 liters of water. The payload includes all you equipment, you, fuel in tank etc.

Hopefully if your round is close to home and you have space, your option is to setup an r/o processing water into an IBC tank. You could slip home at lunch time and replenish with water. But this requires willpower to go back out again.

In your case I would again try to buy once. I would probably buy a 500 liter tank after checking its footprint and your van floor sizes and only half fill it as I would be working toward upgrading your van as soon as I could. I would then just swop tanks over.

 

[Smurf]

Most wfp small vans I see running around my area their **** looks like it's dragging on the floor. So carrying extra weight could damage the van and maintenance costs like brakes etc will go up.

One way to save weight is setup a static ro/di with holding tanks so can pump pure into the van tank instead of having to carry the extra kit around in the van.

Or alternatively a more expensive option is to fit a decent 4040 ro/di setup in the van so can produce pure onsite on demand using the van tank as a buffer for the pure produced when you have access to an outside tap. This method seems very popular in the states instead of having to carrying loads of pure water about.

 

[kev]

Then you have to do the best you can. You are right, your van isn't big enough to carry 500 liters of water. The payload includes all you equipment, you, fuel in tank etc.
Hopefully if your round is close to home and you have space, your option is to setup an r/o processing water into an IBC tank. You could slip home at lunch time and replenish with water. But this requires willpower to go back out again.

In your case I would again try to buy once. I would probably buy a 500 liter tank after checking its footprint and your van floor sizes and only half fill it as I would be working toward upgrading your van as soon as I could. I would then just swop tanks over.

Good advice mate, the work i'd be using it for is 16 miles away so it would be a 32 mile round trip, but i could get a tap no problem when i am out, we dont have water charges in scotland, it is included in the council tax so no worries that way. But all this is good info because of got no idea what i'm doing with the wfp system, but my knowledge is building daily with the advice on here, i am starting to see a plan and picture now in my head

 

[kev]

Most wfp small vans I see running around my area their **** looks like it's dragging on the floor. So carrying extra weight could damage the van and maintenance costs like brakes etc will go up.One way to save weight is setup a static ro/di with holding tanks so can pump pure into the van tank instead of having to carry the extra kit around in the van.

Or alternatively a more expensive option is to fit a decent 4040 ro/di setup in the van so can produce pure onsite on demand using the van tank as a buffer for the pure produced when you have access to an outside tap. This method seems very popular in the states instead of having to carrying loads of pure water about.

That's one thing i dont want to do is overload it, i am conscious of the repercussions if i do, it's not worth it, i need to keep my van in good condition, i got a brilliant deal on it and it was immaculate, just been for it's mot and the guy said it's in excellent condition

 

[kev]

I would get new gear if u can afford it. I ha e a diy trolley and pole and although it does work it occasionally drops to bits but mostly it doesnt feel very professional scrubbing someones windows with a wilko floor brush lol

Yeah i agree with you there

 

[spruce]

Good advice mate, the work i'd be using it for is 16 miles away so it would be a 32 mile round trip, but i could get a tap no problem when i am out, we dont have water charges in scotland, it is included in the council tax so no worries that way. But all this is good info because of got no idea what i'm doing with the wfp system, but my knowledge is building daily with the advice on here, i am starting to see a plan and picture now in my head

Before you do or buy anything get a TDS meter and check what your TDS readings are.

You may get away with a 250 liter tank provided your tds is low. If that is the case then you can consider using a di vessel and using resin to reduce your TDS. If you can do that then you will be able to scrounge (ask nicely for) top ups from your customers as you go. Fix the di vessel between the pump and your hose reel and you will purify the water as you clean.

If you can do this then you can directly fill your tank in the morning with tap water and do the same thing at several customers along the way. This will save you from going home for water.

Many cleaners in Scotland don't need an r/o.

I should have checked where you were situated before I started beating my drum. Sorry. Time for me to shut my mouth now.

 

[kev]

That seems like the way to do it and what i had in mind, i dont know what the tds is but all of scotland is soft water, thanks for the help

 

[kev]

Most wfp small vans I see running around my area their **** looks like it's dragging on the floor. So carrying extra weight could damage the van and maintenance costs like brakes etc will go up.One way to save weight is setup a static ro/di with holding tanks so can pump pure into the van tank instead of having to carry the extra kit around in the van.

Or alternatively a more expensive option is to fit a decent 4040 ro/di setup in the van so can produce pure onsite on demand using the van tank as a buffer for the pure produced when you have access to an outside tap. This method seems very popular in the states instead of having to carrying loads of pure water about.

producing the pure on site sounds like the route i'd like to go down, and the less hassle free