CHANGING FROM TRAD TO WFP!

[tattoosnhooves]

you got it.....pricing

like when you buy a round out,if the prices on some cleans are lowwwwwww

say 4-5 a clean,n just 10-12 for same area,you cant just say

"hello ol bean,,,,i your new window cleaner and im doubling your price,okey dokey"

answers on a postcard please and you can**** right off chap,ill get my old cleaner back

 

[tattoosnhooves]

kev

was at my limit with one custy,cleaned last 8 year on trad with this road,no price increase,change over to wfp and was as tho I just took a sh$$ in his dinner!!!!!!!

in the end,,,,he said,,,,,,it just that the windows are left wet,couldnt you just blade them off

wtf omg n all the other abbreviation I don't know

sacked,,,,byeeeeeeeee

 

[kev]

Cant put up existing work too much mate they just wont accept it. I think getting new decent priced work to make up for the short fall is the way to go

 

[kev]

kevwas at my limit with one custy,cleaned last 8 year on trad with this road,no price increase,change over to wfp and was as tho I just took a sh$$ in his dinner!!!!!!!

in the end,,,,he said,,,,,,it just that the windows are left wet,couldnt you just blade them off

wtf omg n all the other abbreviation I don't know

sacked,,,,byeeeeeeeee

If they bother that much i would say just do people like that customer trad and do the others that dont mind with wfp, that way it keeps everyone happy and you dont lose work through it

 

[tattoosnhooves]

yep agree with you there,some lads locally put em up £1 a year

I amazed they get away with it n amazed customers will pay/tolerate this

 

[kev]

yep agree with you there,some lads locally put em up £1 a yearI amazed they get away with it n amazed customers will pay/tolerate this

I was having this exact convo yesterday with my mate, if you put it up a £1 year where does it stop, heard another guy does this but didn't know by how much

 

[tattoosnhooves]

don't know how to quote on this but

if they bother that much..........

I am very bothered bout me running my round n not my customers dictating

pole on houses n blade on bungies

I built my round up 12 year ago with 2 cleans n 1000 leaflets

taking on everyone else **** cleans n payers

nice to be in charge /emoticons/smile.png

 

[kev]

I meant he increases it every year but we didn't know how by how much whether it was 50p or £1 etc

 

[kev]

don't know how to quote on this butif they bother that much..........

I am very bothered bout me running my round n not my customers dictating

pole on houses n blade on bungies

I built my round up 12 year ago with 2 cleans n 1000 leaflets

taking on everyone else **** cleans n payers

nice to be in charge /emoticons/smile.png

We've all got our own way of doing things, but yeah i dont let customers dictate to me too much when it comes to methods, after all we are the ones that know what we are doing, but it was years ago i last got a complaint concerning work so its not something i need to worry much about

 

[Smurf]

Best you never let customers dictate how you should go about your job.

There are many advantages to using wfp method and customers need to understand this as you are not investing in wfp kit for the fun of it.

Most don't give a fig about your safety and/or crew either so is down to you to how you justify the change over.

At the end of the day you will find the majority don't really care what methods you use to clean their windows either as long as you do a good job.

Yes you can be flexable upto a point as some jobs are more suited to trad methods but that is down to you at the end of the day what methods you decide to use.

You will always come accros of a few "you left my windows wet brigade." Again this is easily overcome if you know the right way to upsell the wfp service to them instead of just being affraid you will lose their custom just because they don't understand.

Cleaners can also be negative towards wfp method like the diehard trad guys and assume most will not like it but there are many on here that say it's the best move they have ever made. Not only that there hundreds if not thousands world wide trad to wfp guys out there so you are not alone that's for sure.

Regarding pricing that is simply down to individules what they want to charge.

Good luck @paddy with the change over /emoticons/wink.png

 

[spruce]

Best you never let customers dictate how you should go about your job.
There are many advantages to using wfp method and customers need to understand this as you are not investing in wfp kit for the fun of it.

Most don't give a fig about your safety and/or crew either so is down to you to how you justify the change over.

At the end of the day you will find the majority don't really care what methods you use to clean their windows either as long as you do a good job.

Yes you can be flexable upto a point as some jobs are more suited to trad methods but that is down to you at the end of the day what methods you decide to use.

You will always come accros of a few "you left my windows wet brigade." Again this is easily overcome if you know the right way to upsell the wfp service to them instead of just being affraid you will lose their custom just because they don't understand.

Cleaners can also be negative towards wfp method like the diehard trad guys and assume most will not like it but there are many on here that say it's the best move they have ever made. Not only that there hundreds if not thousands world wide trad to wfp guys out there so you are not alone that's for sure.

Regarding pricing that is simply down to individules what they want to charge.

Good luck @paddy with the change over /emoticons/wink.png

This is so true.

If the validity of this article is correct,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/8343119/Appeal-Court-rules-in-favour-of-homeowner-sued-over-cowboy-builder-accident.html

then its up to us to ensure our own safety in carrying out our services. We had the odd customer who insisted we go back to ladders to clean their windows properly, or else I'll find another that will. I had one say that my safety wasn't her concern - so goodbye it was.

 

[spanish pete]

I know this is slightly off topic. But after cleaning windows for over 25 years . After only 1 year of wtp my opinion and its only my opinion is first while there are people calling them self's window cleaners who cannot clean a window inside because they cannot be bothered to learn how to use a squeegee is great as far as im concerned ill always have plenty of work. Second I love the water feed pole for commercial high work it makes lots of sense. But for houses and shops if your any good with a squeegee the time saved is not that great, then you have the massive cost difference to do the same work. Ok you might clean a house 25% faster with the pole. But the old boys with a squeege cost to clean the same lets say 10 houses is 1 fairy liquid and a bucket of water. Me and all the other wtp people Bigger van more fuel to carry water resin filters carbon poles big water bills. Are we really all earning more money or just kidding our selves.

 

[kev]

I know this is slightly off topic. But after cleaning windows for over 25 years . After only 1 year of wtp my opinion and its only my opinion is first while there are people calling them self's window cleaners who cannot clean a window inside because they cannot be bothered to learn how to use a squeegee is great as far as im concerned ill always have plenty of work. Second I love the water feed pole for commercial high work it makes lots of sense. But for houses and shops if your any good with a squeegee the time saved is not that great, then you have the massive cost difference to do the same work. Ok you might clean a house 25% faster with the pole. But the old boys with a squeege cost to clean the same lets say 10 houses is 1 fairy liquid and a bucket of water. Me and all the other wtp people Bigger van more fuel to carry water resin filters carbon poles big water bills. Are we really all earning more money or just kidding our selves.

Valid point there mate

 

[kev]

We're fortunate we dont get water bills in scotland and plus we get soft water, so that's a plus

 

[Smurf]

At the end of the day every individule is responsible for his/her own safety formost no matter if you work for a firm, sub contract or just work for your self. I just can't belive in the case of that polish sub contrator how dumb he actualy was. Who in there right minds just turn up at a job without doing a risk assement first and making sure they have the apporiate access equipment and tools to do the job safely

Frank standing on a rocking horse springs to mind /emoticons/biggrin.png

This is so true.
If the validity of this article is correct,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/8343119/Appeal-Court-rules-in-favour-of-homeowner-sued-over-cowboy-builder-accident.html

then its up to us to ensure our own safety in carrying out our services. We had the odd customer who insisted we go back to ladders to clean their windows properly, or else I'll find another that will. I had one say that my safety wasn't her concern - so goodbye it was.

 

[spruce]

I know this is slightly off topic. But after cleaning windows for over 25 years . After only 1 year of wtp my opinion and its only my opinion is first while there are people calling them self's window cleaners who cannot clean a window inside because they cannot be bothered to learn how to use a squeegee is great as far as im concerned ill always have plenty of work. Second I love the water feed pole for commercial high work it makes lots of sense. But for houses and shops if your any good with a squeegee the time saved is not that great, then you have the massive cost difference to do the same work. Ok you might clean a house 25% faster with the pole. But the old boys with a squeege cost to clean the same lets say 10 houses is 1 fairy liquid and a bucket of water. Me and all the other wtp people Bigger van more fuel to carry water resin filters carbon poles big water bills. Are we really all earning more money or just kidding our selves.

For me its about having both feet on the ground for as much time of the working day as possible. Cost doesn't really feature for me. I won't be able to the climb ladders all day now and I've unfortunately had one major ladder accident (my own totally unexplainable fault) and a second minor one.

I am now trying my best not to become another fatal statistic.

 

[Alien Human]

I've put my £4.50 fornightly houses up to £5.50 but it's been taking me a month to get round lately, probably be back up to date fornightly by monday, been thinking about converting to wfp the last couple of months but i just know they wouldn't wear me putting the price up to £10 a month. New customers in a different area fair enough, but not my existing customers, most of my work the houses are next door to each other, like 20 in a street and so on

Where you based Kev?

 

[kev]

Where you based Kev?

A placed called stirling in scotland mate

 

[Alien Human]

A placed called stirling in scotland mate

Nice one. Not getting water bills must be a big plus - especially if you do decide to go WFP. Good luck with it all :thumbsup:

 

[kev]

Yeah it is, cheers mate

 

[Jonathan Sanderson]

Got to admit the wfp does leave a mess all over the place and water dripping down windows, a guy was working on a house next door to me and i was doing trad but when you looked at the two jobs from the front my one looked the better, windows shining and no mess. It's a conundrum

It's just water though Kev. Give it 30 minutes and it will have dried off.

The difference you see with WFP is mostly on the frames, a window cleaned properly with WFP knocks spots of a trad window any day in my opinion. (I also clean trad by the way) Pure water gets all the dirt out of places a cloth just can't.

Thing is with WFP that you have to be good at what you do and thorough. It's very easy to do a poor job and that's why it has a bad name.