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2 man team earning potential???

steele

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I currently work as a one man team and thinking of going to a 2 man system. I earn anywhere from £200-300+ on a really good day, depending on how the round is sorted and gutter jobs thrown in the mix.

I'd be looking to average £400 a day with a 2 man system. I'm not expecting to be able to double my work in a day as travelling still eats time but is the £400 a day a reasonable figure?

 
2 men in a combo?
Ha, no, new van, new system!

Done a search but with so many threads and so many indecipherable thread titles it's a nightmare to find any thing other than a few snippets of earning potential.

 
So on a good day you make £300.

Take on new lad (plus all new gear) with an aim of getting to £400 per day.

So lets say you're a nice boss and pay £10 ph for an 8 hour day.

So far you made an extra £20.

Now you need employers liability insurance.

Now you need to spend more time taking care of admin to pay his tax and NI.

Now you have a whole bunchbof other expense and crud to deal with that will actually see you losing out.

If I were you (and I have been an employer) I would grab the £2-300 a day and say thank you.

 
See u will do 400 faster than h do 300 and be home earlier. We do 350-450 a day but always home no later than 5.

If ur work is compact. It be worth it

Some of our really tight days. Going send 3 people out next year get it wrapped up faster. But it's days were we don't move van much

 
So on a good day you make £300.
Take on new lad (plus all new gear) with an aim of getting to £400 per day.

So lets say you're a nice boss and pay £10 ph for an 8 hour day.

So far you made an extra £20.

Now you need employers liability insurance.

Now you need to spend more time taking care of admin to pay his tax and NI.

Now you have a whole bunchbof other expense and crud to deal with that will actually see you losing out.

If I were you (and I have been an employer) I would grab the £2-300 a day and say thank you.
I hear ya green, thanks for posting. Maybe I should have emitted the 400 a day part as that is only when I go balls out and not something I tend to do very often, I like to be at home with the family more than I like to work. My daily target is 200ish. Take home about £1000ish a week.

I'd like to raise the earning potential of my current hours, 8.30-3.30ish and was thinking 3 days part timer staff earing £400 daily is £70 to staff, £30 NI/TAX, £300 me. Weekly that increases my earning by £300 minus £90 for payment of new equipment (£4000 / 48) and £10 a week for employers liability. So £200 a week is (200x48) an extra £9600 a year after paying his wages, tax, insurance, equipment etc.

If I increased that to full time that could be an extra £400 a week, another £19200 a year.

Does all that sound reasonable or am I still in lala land?

 
See u will do 400 faster than h do 300 and be home earlier. We do 350-450 a day but always home no later than 5.
If ur work is compact. It be worth it

Some of our really tight days. Going send 3 people out next year get it wrapped up faster. But it's days were we don't move van much
Cheers Peter, sounds good, although working till 5 isn't ideal I'd be hoping to increase the earning potential within the same hours 8.30-3.30 but I guess with a staff member I'd have to accept that to ensure a profitable day we work till that's achieved.

 
I hear ya green, thanks for posting. Maybe I should have emitted the 400 a day part as that is only when I go balls out and not something I tend to do very often, I like to be at home with the family more than I like to work. My daily target is 200ish. Take home about £1000ish a week.
I'd like to raise the earning potential of my current hours, 8.30-3.30ish and was thinking 3 days part timer staff earing £400 daily is £70 to staff, £30 NI/TAX, £300 me. Weekly that increases my earning by £300 minus £90 for payment of new equipment (£4000 / 48) and £10 a week for employers liability. So £200 a week is (200x48) an extra £9600 a year after paying his wages, tax, insurance, equipment etc.

If I increased that to full time that could be an extra £400 a week, another £19200 a year.

Does all that sound reasonable or am I still in lala land?
If you already done this much of the math why ask the question? :confused:

Staff are headaches. Simple as that.

 
it really depends on how tight ur round is

im putting the guy i have out in a 1 man system 5 days a week 8-5 which will be paid 42.5 hours a week a wont get paid for half hour break

i know what i want him to earn and he knows also

but getting him trained to clean like me is hard i say he be readdy in jan 2017 for goinng solo

 
I've gone from earning £380-430 as a two man team to £250-320 on my own.

No stress, no headaches, no extra running costs with insurances, no complaints, no BS, no late arrivals, no moaning.

I would invest in a better one man setup for yourself (like I did). It's simply not worth the agro having a second person IMO.

Though sending him out in his own van to make £300 a day might make it more worthwhile though hahaha. Spanner in the works /emoticons/biggrin.png

 
Say you do earn £250 a day on your own in 7 hours (seems like that would be a fair average?)

say you employ a guy part time 16 hours a week at 8 quid an hour thats £128 a week in wages

16 hours at £35 p/h (which it seems like this is what you achieve approx) is £560 per week

560 - 128 = £432 profit, now ive not done the math on the other expenses, dont think they would pay tax on them hours?

So 432 minus very liitle for a part timer roughly

a full timer would incur more expenses i reckon, would employing 2 part timers help you at all?

Ive not dont the math but when i worked in retail they employed very little full timers just lots of part time staff, im assuming this is to pay lesss taxes etc?

 
there is no need to have teams doubled up when your WFP

what I,ve done soon as i,ve enough graft my mate goes out on his own with van

he is self employed pays me set payment every day

 
there is no need to have teams doubled up when your WFPwhat I,ve done soon as i,ve enough graft my mate goes out on his own with van

he is self employed pays me set payment every day

Yes this is a great idea or subcontract someone who is willing to work as self employed , no headache wwith taxes no headaches with insurances , no tools , no van just supply the work for him .A difficult to find someone these days but worth trying it rather than employing someone frankly....

 
I already have a reliable subby who takes £200 of work a week for me, he's a good mate and super reliable.

So we've (wife) decided, I'm going to ensure I make minimum £250 a day, easily done, just have to work till 4-5pm :/emoticons/ohmy.png: brings yearly earning potential to £60k without the headache of hiring someone, my wife will come out with me in the summer months to help out occasionally so I can take more days off if needed.

So I'll still be making a two man system but it'll only be for the occasional large commercial job when I'll get a helper for the day and for when the wife wants to come out and join me.

Still get to buy a new van /emoticons/smile.png

 
My experience is that you can't double it , but anywhere from 1,5-1,75 multiplying your income is more realistic. But its only Imo , we get to chat more and I feel it's more a motivational-game on regular jobs than effectiveness.

On bigger jobs it's a whole other ballgame, on these jobs it really helps being a 2 man show .

I roll single most of the time .

 
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