Taking Work Off Trad Guy

[harunh]

These are my bad boy cones View attachment 622

I got 1 of these cones... its the only cone i got.. and it does the job /emoticons/smile.png

 

[Belfastcleaning]

These are my bad boy cones View attachment 622

These are the ones I'm getting.. My mum getting me 1 for my bday, and will ask the misses to get me one too lol £19 each

 

[rcproperty]

I know the thread has digressed a little since my last post but I just wanted to make the point that I don't see myself as a wfp guy or a trad windie. I use whatever equipment I deem best to clean a window. As far as I'm concerned it's all different equipment in my arsenal that I use to do a job. If I had office windows to clean and it meant dragging hose over a busy pavement and diverting padestrians into a busy main road then I would opt to ladder them.

not having a go or anything, but using a ladder is the wrong thing there, if you used the right cones and signs the people would be fine and the wfp would be the best. But the proper bit of equipment to use that would be the safest for the cleaner and the others would be a platform lift, i know you think this would be going to the extreem, but in a risk assesment that would be the safest way to do the job.

 

[rcproperty]

These are the ones I'm getting.. My mum getting me 1 for my bday, and will ask the misses to get me one too lol £19 each

check them out here

http://www.cleaningspot.co.uk/acatalog/Safety_signs.html

they are £14.99 each, or if you buy 3 they are £12.59 each!

 

[Belfastcleaning]

Nice 1 rc, it's the postage that will hurt ordering across the water

 

[rcproperty]

Nice 1 rc, it's the postage that will hurt ordering across the water

not sure, can always ring and ask to see what postage is?

 

[Colley614]

not having a go or anything, but using a ladder is the wrong thing there, if you used the right cones and signs the people would be fine and the wfp would be the best. But the proper bit of equipment to use that would be the safest for the cleaner and the others would be a platform lift, i know you think this would be going to the extreem, but in a risk assesment that would be the safest way to do the job.

When mentioning the office on a busy pavement I was trying to give an example of a job we used to do. If we used the wfp it would have been over people heads or we would have had to shut the pavement to avoid this. If we used a mewp we would have to set traffic management so we decided the best way was to cone 1/3 of the pavement off and ladder the windows.

 

[rcproperty]

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When mentioning the office on a busy pavement I was trying to give an example of a job we used to do. If we used the wfp it would have been over people heads or we would have had to shut the pavement to avoid this. If we used a mewp we would have to set traffic management so we decided the best way was to cone 1/3 of the pavement off and ladder the windows.

oh right so the company took the easy way for the company to do than take the safest and better option then.

 

[Gmeister]

Why are you so against Trad window cleaners just cause they use a ladder??

I read your posts on another thread!

Alot of trades use ladders, from window cleaners, to joiners, to roofers(ladders on scaffolds, and ladder crawlers on roofs) to people who install sky! (ive seen ladders on there vans)

Companys like unger would stop selling trad equipment if it was againsts the law or health and safty laws!

You think your always right when it comes to wfp to trad..

Ive started up mate so trad was best option for me, if its to unsafe to clean a window then Ill tell the customer and clean all other windows..

Ladders are safe if you know what your doing!

Sorry for the rant but anoys me so much

 

[rcproperty]

Why are you so against Trad window cleaners just cause they use a ladder??

You think your always right when it comes to wfp to trad..

Ive started up mate so trad was best option for me, if its to unsafe to clean a window then Ill tell the customer and clean all other windows..

Ladders are safe if you know what your doing!

Sorry for the rant but anoys me so much

im not against trad at all. i have no problem with ladders i have used them for the past 15 years in other work. Ladders are 100% safe when used correctly and with trained and compitent people, and useing all the correct gear that gose with ladders.

never sadi it is against the law for them to be use. but when you have proper training and follow the correct way on risk assesments ladders are not the safest things to use.

i've only been going a year and i went straight into WFP coz its safer and can do contract jobs property with ticking all the correct risk assesment boxes.

if you ever get the chance to go on an IMPACT 43 Training for windows cleans i would 100% reccomend it. it will open your eyes up on how things are that people dont know about.

 

[M.K Cleaners.co.uk]

i have roped of sections and layed out signs for jobs where there are public about.

for that pub you would have to put signs out, cones out behind you to stop anyone walking by while you are doing it.

You need permission from the council to rope of section off up here. Is it different down there?

 

[Dodger]

You need permission from the council to rope of section off up here. Is it different down there?

Interesting question Marc

 

[M.K Cleaners.co.uk]

im not against trad at all. i have no problem with ladders i have used them for the past 15 years in other work. Ladders are 100% safe when used correctly and with trained and compitent people, and useing all the correct gear that gose with ladders.

never sadi it is against the law for them to be use. but when you have proper training and follow the correct way on risk assesments ladders are not the safest things to use.

i've only been going a year and i went straight into WFP coz its safer and can do contract jobs property with ticking all the correct risk assesment boxes.

if you ever get the chance to go on an IMPACT 43 Training for windows cleans i would 100% reccomend it. it will open your eyes up on how things are that people dont know about.

I can easily say I wouldnt change the way I work becasue of some training.

 

[M.K Cleaners.co.uk]

Interesting question Marc

Im sure its the same for signs and cones too, regardless of why there there

 

[rcproperty]

You need permission from the council to rope of section off up here. Is it different down there?

you do if it means bloking roads etc, but that come part of it, but if you only put cones and roping small areas off then no you dont.

 

[rcproperty]

I can easily say I wouldnt change the way I work becasue of some training.

it has me due to the outcomes if something happens and you didnt do the right things!

untill people have been on training and learn about the right way to do things everyone says this.

 

[M.K Cleaners.co.uk]

you do if it means bloking roads etc, but that come part of it, but if you only put cones and roping small areas off then no you dont.

as far as I was aware, You couldnt block anything if you never had there say so.

it has me due to the outcomes if something happens and you didnt do the right things!

untill people have been on training and learn about the right way to do things everyone says this.

Im aware of health and safety, not all of it but enough to know that its way over the top. I know its there to keep us safe and protect people etc etc thats doesnt mean most of it is bull. I just choose to ignore most of it cause its over the top, If I was to go on that course I would be lieng if I said I wanted to learn about H&S lol. I would be for gaining works thats all. A bit of common sense and youl be sound never fell of a ladder (big ladder)or casued an accident yet ive been cleaning windows since I was 15 years old, As long as you have proper insurance is place its all good IMO

 

[rcproperty]

as far as I was aware, You couldnt block anything if you never had there say so.

you can here, unless it is a road then you have to go through the right channels.

you can have the all the proper insurance you can have upto £10million public liability if you want but if something did happen that went to court and you didnt do all the things that you should of done and the right paper work then that insurance can become voild. then you personally would have to pay out for anything.

 

[MyLittleCleaningCompany]

it has me due to the outcomes if something happens and you didnt do the right things!

untill people have been on training and learn about the right way to do things everyone says this.

I have to disagree with some of this. I respect that you take health & safety very serious (IMO that's how it should be) but common sense plays a big part of this and I think its easy to become over the top.

Risks are there to be managed, common sense, with some good working practices will always protect you 99% of the time.

There will always be an argument to state that you can do more and there will always be the extreme case when there will be something that can make it safer. But is it practical or reasonable to expect these levels to be taken?

Training is always a great idea but people don't have to go on a course to tell them how to work safely.

I've done a course and it was worth while but it was only best practice shown.

HSE will accept that as long as every effort has been made to manage the risks then you will be protected most of the time. Taking things to the extreme is not necessary but if your happy to work that way then great.

Saying that people need a course to tell them how to work the right way is wrong. Of course some people will always need awareness but not everyone.

 

[M.K Cleaners.co.uk]

you can here, unless it is a road then you have to go through the right channels.

you can have the all the proper insurance you can have upto £10million public liability if you want but if something did happen that went to court and you didnt do all the things that you should of done and the right paper work then that insurance can become voild. then you personally would have to pay out for anything.

I would only be responsible if it was a limited company would I not? lol, I wouldnt let i get to court,

 

[MyLittleCleaningCompany]

Blocking a pavement for a unreasonable reason is the same as a road. It's a public highway. I would argue that blocking as you described would be a reasonable reason unless you were forcing persons on the road.