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Richard

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I got a call from a window cleaner that only ever used artificial flagged or flocked brushes; he recently tried my brushes, and now can’t understand why he ever used flocked brushes in the first place. I did explain the difference.

Never use a flocked /flagged brush for window cleaning, you will lose all scrubbing ability on the tips of the brush filament, they also retain dirt a lot more dirt and they do from the moment they get soiled - ultimately they are slower to use – they will still clean, but its not worth the extra time it cost.

I make window cleaning brushes and I will never make a flocked brush for wfp window cleaning. There is absolutely no need to do so, some of my Red Polyester Monofilament Brushes can have over 45,000 filaments and each filament tip still has the ability to scrub.

Brush bristles or filaments clean along the length of the filament as well, not only the tip of the filament; that’s how flocked brushes get a window clean; it does most of its cleanings by using the filament beyond the few millimetres of the flocked/flagged tip.

If you disagree (he agreed), just clean windows with the flagged part of the brush; see how long it takes you. I guarantee as soon as you come across anything that is remotely stubborn that is on the glass (which wont take very long, first job should do it) you will give up straight the way and use the better part of the brush, which is what you do anyway when you use a flocked or flagged brush. Just keep in mind that the tips of a flocked brush for window cleaning are pathetic for this type of cleaning

Richard

 
Each person has different prefrences. My peronnel preference is a Viakn flagged brush. Some people in fact prefer the Vikan cill brush which they use each day.

They have used other brushes but prefer the cill brush.

 
I find the flocked brushes have more scrubbing power,.. but they do hold onto the dirt more & that slows me sown. I defo prefer mono-filament brushes for everyday work.

 
Hi doug,

I know people still use flocked brushes; they are still for sold by wfp suppliers. The tips of the brush are pretty pointless for wfp window cleaning and the brushes overall take longer to clean - with any type of artificial filament -, even an absorbent filament. I recommend using a brush with finer monofilaments; at least you have a tip that is useful at the end of the brush.

Richard

 
I find the flocked brushes have more scrubbing power,.. but they do hold onto the dirt more & that slows me sown. I defo prefer mono-filament brushes for everyday work.

They would have practically zero scrubbing if its a non absorbent filament with a flocked tip, nowhere near enough for wfp window cleaning. Below the flocked tip you would get the brush scrubbing.

Richard

 
They would have practically zero scrubbing if its a non absorbent filament with a flocked tip, nowhere near enough for wfp window cleaning. Below the flocked tip you would get the brush scrubbing.

Richard
sorry but thats bull! if they dont work they wouldnt of designed them or sell 1000's of them!

they do hold a little more dirt in them but if you keep your brush clean its no problem.

when you use them right they work well.

 
sorry but thats bull! if they dont work they wouldnt of designed them or sell 1000's of them!

they do hold a little more dirt in them but if you keep your brush clean its no problem.

when you use them right they work well.


It’s not bull; people buy them for window cleaning because there on sale from wfp suppliers and they probably want to try something different anyway. There also sold by people who don’t make the brushes and these type of brushes/filament are made for a different purpose, wiping more than scrubbing (for window cleaning). Flocked filaments in size are microns in diameter and if there non absorbent plastic they have little to zero scrubbing ability.

Don’t take my word for it, it’s easy to test, try to remove something stubborn off the glass using only the flocked part of the brush. Or carry on believing what you have been led to believe, personally I don’t know one window cleaner that uses them.

Richard

 
This might help lads understanding the type of pro bristles brushes available a bit better than a rather one sided point of view from richard.




I can’t listen to it, its nonsense, the first brush he didn’t even tell what type of filament. Then told you switch off!! if you use it already

The next few seconds he said there are two types of brush – mono & flocked – what a load of nonsense.

I’m not surprised it been put up by one of his toadies, as far as I am concerned you can keep buying them brushes smurf.

Best of luck to you, (I’m not as blue as you.) (Joke)

Richard

 
I make window cleaning brushes and I will never make a flocked brush for wfp window cleaning.

Richard
Just an observation in life. People can only sell what they've got to sell. If it's a kitchen, theirs is the best. If it's double glazing theirs is the best. If it's a car, theirs is the best. etc, etc,etc

 
I can’t listen to it, its nonsense, the first brush he didn’t even tell what type of filament. Then told you switch off!! if you use it already

The next few seconds he said there are two types of brush – mono & flocked – what a load of nonsense.

I’m not surprised it been put up by one of his toadies, as far as I am concerned you can keep buying them brushes smurf.

Best of luck to you, (I’m not as blue as you.) (Joke)

Richard
think someone has a bit of an attitude when some people dont go on the side of your brushes.

lighten up a bit, you sound worse than a second hand car sales man as they always think there cars are better than any one else's.

just in that picture dodge put up off the brush you have sent out, i can see 3 possible design faults with it already but till i actualy look/feel it i cant be 100% sure on 2 of them yet

 
I always thought flocked bristles were simply monofillaments with the ends crushed/split to provide 20 or 50x more individual smaller bristle fibres contacting the glass,...

 
I always thought flocked bristles were simply monofillaments with the ends crushed/split to provide 20 or 50x more individual smaller bristle fibres contacting the glass,...
yer thats right.

 
Was a response I was expecting richard you talking total bull yet again.... /emoticons/biggrin.png




 
yer thats right.
So a flocked brush would actually be closer to one of Richards brushes (with 40,000 smaller fillaments) than it would be to an average monofilament WFP brush with only 9000 odd fillaments touching the glass?!

 
So a flocked brush would actually be closer to one of Richards brushes (with 40,000 smaller fillaments) than it would be to an average monofilament WFP brush with only 9000 odd fillaments touching the glass?!
yer thats ture, 2 many fillaments will just get in the way and hold dirt just as much as they are tight together, push to much pressure on the brush and the fillament end wont be touching the glass it will be the side of the fillaments. small amount of fillaments will mean you are working twice as much to clean them.

 
think someone has a bit of an attitude when some people dont go on the side of your brushes.

lighten up a bit, you sound worse than a second hand car sales man as they always think there cars are better than any one else's.

just in that picture dodge put up off the brush you have sent out, i can see 3 possible design faults with it already but till i actualy look/feel it i cant be 100% sure on 2 of them yet


I should lighten up a bit, talking about brushes all the time cant be good for you.

The way I see it rcproperty, now you have more of a choice with brushes, Gardiners, vikan the new beta 4 brush pack Tecbuk brushes etc, that’s good – more choice the better it is for window cleaners, and some brushes will be better than others.

Now you and others are more than welcome to pick up on design faults and point them out, I’m interested in all your comments – both good and bad - I am not interested in comments from toadies who would limit your choice to only one supplier.

When you get the brush and then try it - all I asked is be truthfull, if you really don’t like it say so and please feel free to go into detail why you dont, likewise if you do like it.

(By the way your right about some brushes having to may filaments and to few, but I wont name them.)

Richard

 
I use the cheapest brushes I can get. I don't know if there flagged flocked or f-c--d but I've never had a complaint & have checked a few of the windows I have done & there fine. And it's true if your selling somet it's the best.

 
I should lighten up a bit, talking about brushes all the time cant be good for you.

The way I see it rcproperty, now you have more of a choice with brushes, Gardiners, vikan the new beta 4 brush pack Tecbuk brushes etc, that’s good – more choice the better it is for window cleaners, and some brushes will be better than others.

Now you and others are more than welcome to pick up on design faults and point them out, I’m interested in all your comments – both good and bad - I am not interested in comments from toadies who would limit your choice to only one supplier.

When you get the brush and then try it - all I asked is be truthfull, if you really don’t like it say so and please feel free to go into detail why you dont, likewise if you do like it.

(By the way your right about some brushes having to may filaments and to few, but I wont name them.)

Richard
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