So Many Vans Around Now

[GMcleaning]

if a windy suspects you of grassing him up you will end up with slashed tyres, and imo you would deserve no less

 

[harunh]

well said H

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LOL

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[CNS-southwest]

It's NOT your work as customers decide who they want NOT you /emoticons/biggrin.png

To be honest if a custie left me for one of these cheaper ones and then came bk because the new ones were rubbish then I'd just bin the custie lol

 

[CNS-southwest]

if a windy suspects you of grassing him up you will end up with slashed tyres, and imo you would deserve no less

Are you a beer cleaner?? That's the sort o stuff I woul expect from one.

So just to confirm your happy that you went to the effort of being legit and spent countless hours canvassing everything and spending loads of money yet this bloke is not insured or nowt comes and takes your work you won't do nowt in case he slashes your tires...... But it's ok because he gota feed his family.....

 

[Smurf]

Problem is cns you don't how many nutters with or without criminal records are about that would think nothing of giving you a good kicking or worst threaten to do something to your family. For that simple reason I for one would be very reluctant to report anyone no matter how nice they seemed to be. /emoticons/biggrin.png

 

[GMcleaning]

Are you a beer cleaner?? That's the sort o stuff I woul expect from one.

So just to confirm your happy that you went to the effort of being legit and spent countless hours canvassing everything and spending loads of money yet this bloke is not insured or nowt comes and takes your work you won't do nowt in case he slashes your tires...... But it's ok because he gota feed his family.....

lol, no im not a beer cleaner, im an actual cleaner, unlike you i believe? funny how you have got opinions on what you should do when your not even started yet,lol

if an uninsured cleaner came and deliberately undercut or specifically tried to take my work by unfair means then i still wouldnt grass him up, id probably just have it out with him and end up clumping him, but like someone else said there not my windows, they are the custies windows and its up to them who cleans them, if the uninsured guy just happened to canvass one of the houses i clean and my custy decided to go with him for any reason then my problem would be with the disloyalty of the custy not the new window cleaner.

add to that im of the mindset that grasses are scum, much worse then the odd beer windy that would never get any of my custys even if they tried as they dont look as professional or do as good a job as me, so id rather concern myself with my business rather then theirs, if your worried about losing custys its down to your work or your price, end of

 

[harunh]

lol, no im not a beer cleaner, im an actual cleaner, unlike you i believe? funny how you have got opinions on what you should do when your not even started yet,lol

if an uninsured cleaner came and deliberately undercut or specifically tried to take my work by unfair means then i still wouldnt grass him up, id probably just have it out with him and end up clumping him, but like someone else said there not my windows, they are the custies windows and its up to them who cleans them, if the uninsured guy just happened to canvass one of the houses i clean and my custy decided to go with him for any reason then my problem would be with the disloyalty of the custy not the new window cleaner.

add to that im of the mindset that grasses are scum, much worse then the odd beer windy that would never get any of my custys even if they tried as they dont look as professional or do as good a job as me, so id rather concern myself with my business rather then theirs, if your worried about losing custys its down to your work or your price, end of

well saidddddd its not the window cleaners fault /emoticons/smile.png

 

[Vince Green]

Grasses are scum??? get real the scum are the people they grass up. Doley benefits scroungers, lowlife human garbage.

Can't see one good reason to tolerate the vermin.

 

[GMcleaning]

Grasses are scum??? get real the scum are the people they grass up. Doley benefits scroungers, lowlife human garbage.

Can't see one good reason to tolerate the vermin.

im not disputing that the ones being grassed are scum, im sure most of the time thats true, but i obviously have a different background to you and in my world you dont grass on someone thats not directly affecting you, i would consider it if they were going out of there way to take my customers or interfere with my business, but otherwise why would i concern myself with what someone else is doing?

 

[Vince Green]

im not disputing that the ones being grassed are scum, im sure most of the time thats true, but i obviously have a different background to you and in my world you dont grass on someone thats not directly affecting you, i would consider it if they were going out of there way to take my customers or interfere with my business, but otherwise why would i concern myself with what someone else is doing?

Yes I can see your point of view in that. I just believe that as a society we put up with too much right across the board from people who are working the system because people look the other way.

People like this

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2012/05/24/disabled-window-cleaner-jailed-for-33-000-benefit-fraud-100252-31034406/

and there are lot more like him judging by the people who ask me about a job but say they only want cash in hand because they don't want to affect their benefits.

 

[M.K Cleaners.co.uk]

if a windy suspects you of grassing him up you will end up with slashed tyres, and imo you would deserve no less

You may have a different view on things when you spend a few thousand quid starting up, Pay your tax, have insurance/licence and then another window cleaner comes and canvasses your work and offer to do it cheaper cause there working illegally most of the time still taking handouts from that thing we call a government.

Screw that, if your own my patch you better be legal!! I believe the saying goes an eye or a eye lol

 

[CNS-southwest]

I may not be a windy yet, but you can see the effort I'm making to enure everything is legit and to make sure I'm doing everything right. I don't see how it is relevant as to if I have started working yet, this a forum, where you put your opinions, this is my opinion.

if someone comes along who is on benefits, not paying tax or insurance and steals my work because they can do it cheaper due to having less overheads from working illegally, then ill do something about it.

We are too soft, no wonder so many people get away with it.....

Looks like we will have to agree to disagree on this one mate.

 

[GMcleaning]

looks like we will have to agree to disagree, i do get what your all saying, i myself am insured, self employed, pay my taxes, etc, i have my overheads, and there are plenty of dodgy beer windys near me, yet they dont affect my business at all, because i do a good job and charge fairly which breeds customer loyalty. i dont need to concern myself with anyone elses business so i dont,

You may have a different view on things when you spend a few thousand quid starting up, Pay your tax, have insurance/licence and then another window cleaner comes and canvasses your work and offer to do it cheaper cause there working illegally most of the time still taking handouts from that thing we call a government.

Screw that, if your own my patch you better be legal!! I believe the saying goes an eye or a eye lol

1, i do pay my tax and insurance and have overheads, and i still view it the same. 2, its not your patch mate, it never has been and it never will be, 3, probably 85% of the members here are new businesses or start ups, including yours i believe? so if anything its more likely the beer windys patch that he's been doing for 20 odd years than yours

 

[CNS-southwest]

I see your point of view mate, and its a good one that I do agree with in the sense that if your good at what you do and work hard enough, your losses from a summer only windy or beer windy or whatever you wana call em, is Gona be minimal.

 

[GMcleaning]

exactly, and i do get your point too, like i said if i thought a beer/dole windy was deliberately trying to take my work then id do something about it, just dont see the need to get involved in other peoples lives if there not directly getting involved in mine

 

[CNS-southwest]

exactly, and i do get your point too, like i said if i thought a beer/dole windy was deliberately trying to take my work then id do something about it, just dont see the need to get involved in other peoples lives if there not directly getting involved in mine

That what I was trying to get at do, I Gussie if they didn't anoy me or take work then I wouldnt care as much

 

[Honestcleaning]

I know this subject has been done before many times but this week it has really been obvious. So many new vans around cleaning windows that I have never seen before. All signwritten and very professional looking.

A trad guy came over and asked to see my wfp setup. I didn't mind, even let him have a go but I could imagine a lot would have told him to **** off.

This business is getting very saturated now. Its still about the easiest business to start if you get slung on the scrapheap made redundant.

You only need to go to one of the companies that are kitting vans out.

I know a company doing 6 a week...... week in week out!!!

 

[Smurf]

It bet they are all yours too :lol:

 

[harunh]

Window cleaning may be the easiest business to start... but the hard bit is actually running the business.... some people get sick of it etc.... plus not many people have what it takes to run a business trust me /emoticons/smile.png

theirs window cleaners going and at the same time theirs window cleaners coming /emoticons/smile.png

 

[Smurf]

Indeed H....

 

[harunh]

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