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Ladder And Cloth Questions?

just because a mod said it doesnt make it true, its simply his opinion and different ladders will differ in there build. and that rung isnt damaged or broken, its slightly bent, id bet its still 100% structurally sound.

my main issue with all the health and safety overkill on this forum is that people post their opinion on a forum and everyone on here just believes it without question, much like you just did with your post.

your only basis is you heard it on a forum, im not saying that particular fact isnt correct, but you state it like its a fact when its not, its open to debate

 
Didnt mean it like that GM....

If a mod says something it doesnt mean it true.

I put the word mod after if just so people know who I am refering too.

I was stating the fact that the rung was bent/damaged could mean the ladder has lost its strenght

 
if it does cause an accedent im sure you wouldnt be able to afford the compensation for it! it can run in the £10,000's

No I certainly wouldn't be able to afford it but the point I was getting at is that not in a million years would that bottom rung cause an accident. Leaning it on the gutter could quite possibly but not the condition of the ladder

one company that had a death when using a damaged ladder got this fine:-

The company pleaded guilty to three health and safety offences. It was fined £200,000 for a breach of s2(1) of the HSWA 1974 – by failing to ensure the safety of employees, in relation to work at height and use of ladders

then in total another £100,000 in fines for other things too!!!
 
if it does cause an accedent im sure you wouldnt be able to afford the compensation for it! it can run in the £10,000's

No I certainly wouldn't be able to afford it but the point I was getting at is that not in a million years would that bottom rung cause an accident. Leaning it on the gutter could quite possibly but not the condition of the ladder

one company that had a death when using a damaged ladder got this fine:-

The company pleaded guilty to three health and safety offences. It was fined £200,000 for a breach of s2(1) of the HSWA 1974 – by failing to ensure the safety of employees, in relation to work at height and use of ladders

then in total another £100,000 in fines for other things too!!!
 
if it does cause an accedent im sure you wouldnt be able to afford the compensation for it! it can run in the £10,000's

one company that had a death when using a damaged ladder got this fine:-

The company pleaded guilty to three health and safety offences. It was fined £200,000 for a breach of s2(1) of the HSWA 1974 – by failing to ensure the safety of employees, in relation to work at height and use of ladders

then in total another £100,000 in fines for other things too!!!
No I certainly wouldn't be able to afford it but the point I was getting at is that never in a million years would that rung cause an accident. Leaning it on the gutter could quite possibly but not the condition of the ladder

 
agreed, yes a stand off would be preferable but you can rest a ladder on gutters, we've all done it a thousand times and as long as your careful you'll be ok, the bottom rung has a 'slight' bend, i seriously dont think it would ever cause an issue.

i know your all gonna say 'but what if?' and 'iv seen it happen' etc etc blah blah blah. realistically the ladder setup is fine for a conservatory where yould only be about 5ft up the ladder anyway. some people on here need a reality check, h & s is important and so is protecting yourself but be serious, its not that bad
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No I certainly wouldn't be able to afford it but the point I was getting at is that never in a million years would that rung cause an accident. Leaning it on the gutter could quite possibly but not the condition of the ladder
The main cause of the death of the cleaner was due to a damaged bottom section of the ladder. You would be surprised how weak they can get with a little dent or bend in them.

Might not go this month, or next year, might be ok for another 2 years, but are you willing to bet your life that it would never fail?

 
If it has dented, then like RC says it could weaken more, whos to say that it wont worsen when it has already got a kink in it, it could dent more and more with every use, as it has already done so, so could happen again.....

 
If it has dented' date=' then like RC says it could weaken more, whos to say that it wont worsen when it has already got a kink in it, it could dent more and more with every use, as it has already done so, so could happen again.....[/quote']True, don't forget that people are putting all there weight onto a bent rung that's weak, so the more you tread on it the weaker it gets, then after time it will bend more, could cause a fold in it then snaps, putting more strain onto the sides of the ladder causing them to twist and bend to,
 
got nothing to do with the turn over! it was a pub! they supplied the ladder to a cleaner and he fell and died.
Wrong, well from what ive read and been told.
Your telling me that a court would impose a 100k / 10k fine on a company while knowing full well the company couldnt pay it. It would defeat the purpose of giving them a fine...

The general idea for fines is you pay money to a court. How the hell you going to do that if you cant afford it?

Being a pub means nothing, do you know how much they make? lol

 
Wrong, well from what ive read and been told.
Your telling me that a court would impose a 100k / 10k fine on a company while knowing full well the company couldnt pay it. It would defeat the purpose of giving them a fine...

The general idea for fines is you pay money to a court. How the hell you going to do that if you cant afford it?

Being a pub means nothing, do you know how much they make? lol
What part was wrong??
People get large fines for a lot of things, most people can't pay them straight away and have to pay over a set time, person I know has had a fine given him and he has to pay it each month over 3 years.

Fines are set to put people off breaking the law, there are loads of warnings out there, if they break the law they know what's going to happen, be it speeding or breaking h & s.

To be fair I don't know what that pub takes, but have good knowledge about what they do/ did takes years ago as I used to work along side pub owners in past career I used to do, plus brother and his partner runs one, daughters god parents own there own one too.

 
Ive got small dents in my ladders where the rung sits. Im sure most other ladders have too.
So it is time to bin them?
Basically yer or you can get them repaired by specialist firms,

If you took advantage of the ladder exchange that I posted about ages ago, like dodger did, traded his old ladder in for a brand new trade one!!

 
The main cause of the death of the cleaner was due to a damaged bottom section of the ladder. You would be surprised how weak they can get with a little dent or bend in them.

Might not go this month, or next year, might be ok for another 2 years, but are you willing to bet your life that it would never fail?
We could go on forever but I could bet my life that it wasn't due to a slight curve in the bottom rung, bottom section im guessing will mean it was bottom section of double or triple ladder and would also guess it had a fair chunk more damage than that rung

 
We could go on forever but I could bet my life that it wasn't due to a slight curve in the bottom rung' date=' bottom section im guessing will mean it was bottom section of double or triple ladder and would also guess it had a fair chunk more damage than that rung[/quote']There was a picture of the ladder It wasn't a single, double or triple ladder, but set of steps, he was only 1.8m off the ground, there was a bent sections, and a bent bit that caused one of the side legs to bend and fold in.

below is part of the findings of the investigation into the accedent:-

The Council’s investigation revealed that the ladder, which was damaged, was the only one on the premises. It was stored in either the kitchen or the yard and was used for a variety of tasks.

The investigation also found no evidence that staff had been instructed to check the ladder before they used it, and no records to show it had ever been inspected by the manager. Neither Mr Pratley nor the manager had received any training in work at heights, or use of ladders.

There was also no evidence that Mitchells and Butler had any system in place for checking that its work-at-heights policy was followed, and the risk assessment it had carried out was inadequate for the range of work-at-height activities at the site. Four Improvement Notices were served, instructing the company to enhance its system of work in regard to work at height and the control of contractors, and to rectify other identified hazards, including dangerous electrical wiring, a slippery kitchen floor and trip hazards in the yard.

The company pleaded guilty to three health and safety offences. It was fined £200,000 for a breach of s2(1) of the HSWA 1974 – by failing to ensure the safety of employees, in relation to work at height and use of ladders; £30,000 for a breach of reg.4(2) of the Electricity at Work Regulations 1989 – by failing to maintain the electrical installation in a safe condition; and £5000 for contravening reg.12(3) of the Workplace (Health, Safety and Welfare) Regulations 1992 – by failing to keep the floors of the kitchen and yard free of slip and trip risks. It was also ordered to pay costs of £65,000.

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ive got a 6 rung a frame if anyone wants to buy it, its limited edition (its only got 5 rungs left!)iany takers lol:)
I'll buy it as it must still be usable and complys fully with h&s!
 
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