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That’s my son not my employee! I’m sure there are loads better signage on here, but i think it’s quite good.

I read an article in a plane magazine on my way to Menorca on a family holiday, so around 1993, written by the bloke in charge of the redevelopment of Albert Dock in Liverpool. He was writing about his earlier days when he was starting out and he quickly learned that if he had to go and ask for a pay rise the company wasn't worth working for as they didn't value his work. He continued doing this throughout his career until he owned the business but he then made sure he appreciated his staff. I left school at 16 and worked for the family business, my brother and I were expected to show an example to the other workers. When I started to run the business all the lads knew I wouldn't ask them to do jobs I wouldn't do, as I'd done everything including cleaning out the drains that had never been cleaned for the 10 years we'd been there and as it was riverside there was plenty of rats about. The family business was sold in the late 80's for £1 million, which I saw non of, and closed at the end of 1998. I was kept on by the parent company but resigned in April, I didn't respect the Directors, and have been self employed since May 99 as I've never found anyone to pay me what I am worth. If everyone learned that you're only employed by the company but you work for you then they would have a chance to progress in life and beat the rat race. The above is what everyone on here has done and that is why anyone that leaves the relative safety of paid employment will always have my utmost respect as they are doing so to get out of the rat race, improve their life and to be finally paid what they're worth. Sorry for the long rambling post but it's always been something I'm passionate about.

With respect its not worth the paper its written on how are you going to enforce it ?.. we always charge double for first cleans this stops the messers. The only exception is existing customers family or very close friends , when quoting I always explain this price is fir a regular 4/8 weekly clean and we work in all weathers ,if they hesitate ,cough splutter I imedjatly say I dont think you would be the type of customer we are looking for thanks for your time and walk away , they arnt going to waist my time , by cancelling or saying after the first clean we will be in touch when we want them doing again . Been there done that

Morning guys, it’s my first day in my van today, I went to the petrol station at Sainsbury’s to fill up just. Been going there 13years previously but in my car with ladders on top. First 5min out the house in my van all signed up & the woman serving me asked me to do her windows. Sign writing doing it’s job already, hope it leads to bigger things. Happy days

This is my fifth week since I started my business and the projection is looking good based on customer growth, checkatrade is driving it for me with 4 calls a day. Getting my van signed up tomorrow as I struck up a deal with the local signwriter to help him with his website. There are no other proffesional window cleaners in my town, they are all rogue traders. I'm very happy with how its going

Light rain I work. Heavy rain I don’t. I decide what I call light and heavy, not others.

I agree, incentive is very important. Years ago I was working on a pipeline several miles across countryside with many road-crossings. The agent said that we'd get a bonus if we laid over twenty, 6 meter x 600mm pipes a day. The weather was perfect. On the first day we laid 42 but we only booked in about 24 to see if the company would honour his word. When we booked it in he said that they'd changed their minds and there would be no bonus. Result: the goodwill was gone. From then on we laid around the twenty or so a day. We couldn't really do less as we were a very efficient team. We had a working method. We couldn't work slowly if we wanted to. We would have been finished and on to the next job within a few weeks as the weather remained perfect for some time. Instead, because the job took longer we got caught out by weeks of incredibly wet weather. Our number of pipes per day dropped. Trenches and connection holes were constantly getting flooded. Pumps had to be transported across fields, diggers were getting stuck, roads were getting covered in mud, that muggings, also covered in mud, being the youngest in the gang (twas thirty years ago) had to clean up with a shovel. The company missed out on thousands of pounds of extra profit as we'd have beaten the bad weather and moved on to the next contract. Everyone needs an incentive to get stuck in. Job and knock, and/or a share in the profit, even if it's only a small one. Work has to be done right. Mistakes or poor workmanship have to be put right in the worker's time, so unpaid.

I'm sorry but that scary. You will have absolutely no chance of survival in an accident. That's just not safe. An airbag going off won't save you being impaled on your steering column.

I would agree with this except the post imo just came across as a wee bit rude. If you come on any forum seeking advice or information that can potentially help you start a business, earn money or get out of a tricky situation, the very least you can say is thanks. I don't think people are looking for high praise or anything like that but it's nice to be nice and keep up a certain etiquette. People on here are so helpful and I would hazard a guess if the OP was a bit more polite they would have gotten a better response. Just my opinion.

That’s beacause wfp is far better , trad has its place but is a dying art I know many wfp cleaners who don’t evan carry a squeegee let alone know how to use it . Would you want to drive a model t Ford today , or a modern reliable vehicle?. That’s like trad and wfp , there is nothing wrong with trad but it is a dying art , before the squeegee it was a chamois leather that’s not seen now , wfp is quicker ,does a better job,can do jobs you cannot do trad, gives the customer a superior clean of glass and frames , much safer , and more profitable for us , Ime not slating trad cleaners I was trad for ten years and used to do 3-4 storey stuff of ladders so know what Ime doing , but the advancement in technology cannot be ignored , am I right in thinking you have been going a few weeks ?.. so how do you think we are all wrong ?...

https://www.premiergrafix.co.uk I had them design my signage for my Transit Connect recently. Costs me £77 including postage and the application kit. Couldn't be happier! They design it for free and give you a quote before you order. Couldn't fault it. Yes okay, you have to apply it yourself, but it is easy enough with the application spray!

Yep, I took 4 weeks off for the lockdown. Been back 4 weeks now and I'm still aching from that first week back it seems. Can't seem to now take enough days off to recover hence this week I shall be purchasing an Xtreme pole and brush. I'm gonna do everything I can to make work as easy as I can.

I read your reply, I effectively pulled you up just to outline the possible risk and for others not to potentially overload there own vans this needs bringing up as a serious consideration, as for the big man, big talk wind your neck in I am a mod so i will pull something if needed for the good of the forum and it's members new and old to pre-warn others of potential dangers, also been a mod I am on here more than some doing my job as a mod and my business is my own with respect I don't have to come on here or anywhere else and reel out details of my business and give it the look at me.

I am still "losing" money as I've got 2 pubs and 2 offices I'm not doing as they're shut. Daft thing is I'm actually better off personally as I'm not spending £200 a week wining and dining. Don't worry the reality will hit in the Autumn Budget. They'll get more then their pound of flesh back.

As long as it's not torrential with a strong wind I'm out washing windows. Any customer that complains is told if they're not clean I'll come back and clean them again, never had a call yet.

Clean your own house work it out how long it will take you... and now how many of them can u earn in an hour? now work out how many of them u will need to do and work your price from there ? There will be window cleaners charging from £2.00 to £30.00 for the same property, u get all types of window cleaners in every towns... *U get the pub rats - the people who claim universal credit and sit in the pub all day and decide to become a seasonal window cleaner and earn a few kwid to get the pints in These guys will cahrge £2.00 per house , they got no outgoings lol *U then get traditional window cleaner whos been doing it for years and his prices will be the same from 20 years ago around £5.00 per house * then get the traditional window cleaner who has just added a reach and wash to his business and is trying to put his prices up from £5.00 to £7.00 * U then get a 1 man band who has 200 houses priced at £50.00 each - this kid is smart and earns a lot of money for short money - he works for 1 week and then lives abroad for the other 3 weeks. *U then get the other 1 man band who has low prices and works hard week in week out his prices will be average and not low or high * u then get the 2 man bands who may have a higher price as he has a wage to pay out ? * U then get the big franchises and companies who will have 10 plus vans , u will find 1 company being cheap and another may be expensive, prices all vary. I clean a house for £9.00 and i know a window cleaner with a reach and wash system who would do it for £6.00 ! and i also know another window cleaner who would charge £15.00 ! ! Try to work out the prices in your area and try and be average priced and be fair with the customer , as long as your happy and there happy then that is the main thing.

Posted up about this 2 years or so ago, mines still in the condition it was the day I done it. personally I wouldn’t use anything else.

Gets me every time the author of this post could have googled their other post/question without going to all the trouble of creating an account creating 2 posts then having to have their account deleted by admin, also when someone asks a questions and doesn't reappear for weeks or months or even bother to reply with a simple thank you.

I cleaned traditional from the age of 16 on and off for 14 years (Including a successful window cleaning business in New Zealand until I went WFP last year, and still clean traditionally on a couple of properties I do now, so have a little bit of an idea and was just sharing my experience. Also for the record i've never said I had problems with streaks.

Another smash and grab poster! maby it be nice if you could 'give back some info back to the forum insted of grabbing info and then leving

A lot of willy waving going on tonight

I would suggest going for a 500l tank as a minimum. I started out from scratch almost 3 years ago with a 650l tank, work alone and quite often use the whole tank, but 500l a day is usually plenty.

Personally don’t think 350 ltr tank will give you much room to expand your round work wise , I started with a 650 ltr tank although I already was working trad so had a reasonable round most sole traders seam to use 400-600 per day , I know some will say the work all day and go home with water with a 350 ltr system but if you are going to be poling everything I feel a bigger tank would be better. But it would get you going but would probably need a bigger tank later on. Good luck with the new venture .

The way I'd look at it is buy the biggest van and system you can afford. Then, if it takes off, you don't need to spend more money up sizing everything later.

Magnetic signs just never seem right in my opinion. I would rather do some basic sign writing as it looks more professional.

Thanks for all the advice! Just thought I'd update you where I'm at....so after working for 3 days in March we decided to put new business venture on pause and joined the millions in lockdown. Took advice from you guys, got facebook, Instagram page all sorted, got spreadsheets setup ready and got a plan of action ready. We asked everyone we know, family, friends, neighbours,old friends on facebook, wife's work colleagues, hairdresser, plumber about having a quote and got a list together ready for starting. Got leaflets, business cards sorted. Started on 13th, quoted lots of houses on our list and got cracking. I have worked 9 hour days, quoting, cleaning, canvassing. Wife has, as well as her own NHS job, been pushing us on social media, juggling the diary to squeeze quotes in, contacting people on our list. I haven't had a day off yet (although finished early on 1 or 2 days which was nice). We have 25 regular clean customers on the books now. Majority are 4 weeks, 4 are 2 weekly. Got a full diary for next week, a mixture of quotes and conservatory n fascia cleans. We have asked customers to put reviews on our page. We are getting people contact us from recommendations or seeing me working and asking for a quote. Every day I hear "I can't get a reliable window cleaner" . Well, you just got yourself one now. Money wise...we came up with a money plan in stages, first stage, we want me to earn X amount in regular cleans (not counting one off's like fascias,gutters etc) so that my earnings plus wife's will cover our Bill's without continually dipping into savings. We are well on our way to hitting this first target. It's hard hard graft, shoulders are aching I'm very sunburnt and one or two customers are a***holes but it's so so worth it. We are just going to keep doing what we are doing. I don't work long 12 hour day and night shifts any longer like I did in my old job. I actually see more of my family than I did before and I have met some very nice customers and I only answer to my wife not a boss! Hope I haven't bored you with my update!!

Water will evaporate, dirt won't. That's how come people in survival situations can evaporate unsafe water and condense it into drinkable water. We clean windows by agitating the dirt using brush and water to loosen it so it mixes with the water. Then we rinse the dirty water off again using clean water (those that rinse off the glass). Or using brush and water, those of us that rinse on the glass. We have to make sure that we get enough of a curtain of clean water to make all the dirt run down off the window and sill. if we allow the water to evaporate rather than run off, by not using enough rinse water that is often the cause of spotting.

And this is the crux of the problem. A window cleaner in Cyprus was telling us on the other forum many years ago that they have to spray the windows to begin with to cool them down before washing and rinsing them. If they don't they leave them worse than before they started. The water needs time to run down the glass and flush the dirt off. If it dries before this then those dirt particles stay behind as others have said and cause spots. In summer sunshine we expect to use more water on the same windows than we would with overcast cooler days. This means we also have to spend longer on each window. This is especially true for us on the coast.

Spend more time rinsing, especially in hot weather and especially on windows in direct sunlight.

It's all important to me : the name, the branding, the uniform, the signwriting. That's the pride we have in ourselves and in showing our customers and local competitors that we are a professional trading family business. There is only one chance to make a first impression, good, bad or indifferent. I refuse to be mediocre. If I had turned up with a tatty van and my a.. e hanging out of jogging trousers that is the impression that would be imprinted in the customers mind. Before I started the business I had everything in place to make a good first impression. All that I listed above. The van was quite old and fairly rusty in some of the edges. I didn't have the money to replace it so I had a cheap spray job done by an acquaintance and got it well sign-written. It looked really good. This served me well for the first two or three years till I was in a better position to replace it with a fresher van of the same model (Merc Vito). In my time being employed driving for other companies, at least seven companies come to mind. they all had proper branding and sign-written vehicles. When I learnt to drive I chose British School of Motoring (branded) . When I did my HGV driving course the vehicle was well sign-written. I fitted my own system with help gleaned from advice and studying (most of my studying was on this forum, and I will be forever grateful) and I'm very pleased with it. I taught myself the equipment and techniques that suit me for speed, reliability and efficiency. Everything I listed is important. I have seen several traders come and go in my locality. There must have been some things that they weren't doing right. Do it once, do your best to get it right first time. Very best of luck to anyone starting out.

I'm sure a second wave will be expected now restrictions are being lifted. The question is do we hide away again or all catch it and deal with it and get on with life. @Part Timerseems ok now he's had it. Well as ok as you can be being oop nooorth lol. My way of thinking is lock up the old and vunerable and then get it over and done with. Then it will probably be just an annual annoyance like the flu etc. I'm being as carefull as can be to protect customers but my own wellbeing I don't care about. I have full nbc gear (nuclear, biological, chemical warfare) at home but won't worry to wear it to work for a virus that will eventually die out. Just like the flu etc 99% of these viruses mutate into a less harmfull version anyway as the stronger versions die with the host when they die. Just a fact of life and I say just crack on.

Bet you're glad you listened to me now. Joking aside I think we will see more of this. How many offices won't reopen now that people realise there staff can actually work from home so why pay £2k a month to rent somewhere.

Well said Paul, no one knows what's around the corner. I'm 64, been as fit and healthy as a Gypsies whippet all my life until a little over a year ago. Always looked after my health. Ate like a hunter/gatherer and had the trim physique to match my lifestyle of no more than couple of real ales a week, wholesome food, manual work, camping and sea kayaking. Then, out of nowhere I got Oesothageal cancer. In the past year, chemo and one of the biggest operations that a person can have. I didn't see that coming two years ago. All clear now, as far as I know. Enjoy life and make your work day as easy and pleasant as possible. My sympathy to anyone in pain with arthritis or other ailments, it must be a drag. I've been lucky to never have had aches and pains. I wish the best of health to all of us and those we care about.

A lot of talk on here lately about bad after service. Well I’d like to mention some excellent after service. I’ve had a few after care calls to Steve and Sam at Exceed and every time they are always prompt and very helpful. Bought 3 univalves off them fairly recently. 2 of them work perfectly, the 3rd not so. Sent them a video on Whattsapp and they instantly responded and are sending out a replacement. Only Gardiners after service are nearly as good in my opinion. Except their phone response which leaves a lot to be desired. Thank you Exeed

I've worked right through it but having only started my business in January 2019, my regular customers numbers were only just paying my bills, I was preparing to drive it forward through April / May to grow it to the next level but then all this virus stuff started appearing. I ended up taking an employed sanitizing cleaning job just as we went into lock down just to be sure that I had money coming in. I haven't got any savings at all, so I thought it was a safer option to take it and keep my window cleaning going alongside it if possible. I thought it basically could give me more options, or at the very least just allow me a bit more time to keep my head above water. The job was only temporary and is basically just cleaning door handles, banisters, tap handles, kettle handles, anything that people might touch at two different office sites. Each site has lots of little businesses and they all have their own offices but share the kitchens and toilet areas. It was 20 hours per week to be done during the day. I managed to get them up to £11.50ph, so not bad money and it's round the corner from most of my window cleaning work. The first week of lock down, the roads were completely dead. Out of about 30 of the businesses at one site I'd say there were only 2 people in for two different businesses. People were very nervous, almost keeping themselves to themselves and still are. Even now there are only around a dozen people in the buildings where I would guess there would normally be around a 100, maybe even 200, hard to guess as they're all small offices with 1 to 15 people in each. Most of the businesses haven't been in, some have popped in to pick up mail but it's very strange, you can see through a rectangular thin window on each of their doors and you see things like coffee cups on desks, sanitizing hand gels, it's like one of these zombie movies where you had lots of activity leading up to the outbreak and then a deadly silence with just the evidence left behind but no people. It’s been interesting seeing how different businesses are being affected by it. One guy I was chatting to is an insurance broker supplying commercial insurance. He said that his workload has gone up 5 fold because you get these companies with fleets of 50 vehicles, well suddenly they've pulled 30 off the road and they’re ringing up asking for a re-price for the new situation they were in. He said that never really happens, once the policy is set then that’s it for the year, but now there are a hell of a lot that are trying to reduce costs. Another guy does recruitment supplying teachers for teachers who are sick / maternity leave etc. He said they normally have about 30 being supplied but they were down to just 2, not enough to pay the bills. I've bumped into carpet cleaners who have the contracts for most of the commercial premises all around Manchester, they also do other specialist cleaning such as fumigating premises wearing the full safety suits and masks. He was saying that their work load is ridiculous, they’re working flat out and they’re doing more and more of this sanitizing type cleaning work, they’re preparing for huge demand in the coming months. On my business side of things I lost 2 customers, 1 is on hold and 1 switched to every 3 months due to financial concerns. Other than that I've not had any further problems. I have gained 4 customers, 2 of which seem ideal. They ended the sanitizing job today May 7th. Not sure why they have taken that decision, it seems a little bit odd to me. The extra money that I've earned doing the sanitizing will be around £1,400, some of that will be left in the bank but some of it I'm buying new kit and getting sign writing on the van. I think the sanitizing job has ended at just about the right time really. It’s hard to know how much work I’ve lost window cleaning whilst doing the sanitizing job. The time used could have been used to chase new customers and I’m sure even though it would have been difficult to begin with, I'm sure I would now have more customers. Taking the job on was the right thing to do though, it could have been a lot worse with loads of people cancelling the window cleaning. At least now I've got some money to invest in my business. I don't think this is over though, the virus probably is but the economic consequences I don't think we have even scratched the surface. If anything the financial impact hasn't even started yet. So I'm thinking that I've got through the first stage all right but there are probably going to be another 2 or 3 stages to get through. I'm going to re-evaluate my position over this weekend and have a new plan by Sunday night for the next part of the battle.

Well that went a little different to how id planned it!!! Quote was £150 for solar panels for an annual contract for 3 yrs. What i hadnt accounted for was 57 more solar panels on the back of the building, the lady incharge was there when i arrived and i had to embarrasingly say i didnt realise that there was the same on the back and that id only quoted for the front ones, to which her reply was, "we had already assumed it was £150 front and £150 back as youd quoted based on the picture we sent you and didnt realise we had only sent you a picture of one side" So today i had a result £300 for 120 panels that took me 2.1/2 hrs. Genuinely **** my pants and thought i was gonna get stuck with both sides for £150.

Hi Fellas. How's it all going? Well I have been back a month already, and not one customer has cancelled. I did loose one to COVID, but the wife has still asked me to carry on (so I did a free clean for her) So don't over think it, get out there and earn some dosh before the weather makes your life difficult again ..

In my opinion a good sign written van will pay for its self in no time , hope it goes ok , you will be much quicker with a van and system as well .

Honestly I wouldn't brag about that H. You buying them and fitting 800 liter tanks makes you responsible. If there is an accident and the van is deemed to be overloaded, that's a big fine. Its also points on the driver's licence. He could very well come back on you supplying a vehicle not road worthy for the task required of it. https://www.gov.uk/roadside-vehicle-checks-for-commercial-drivers/fixed-penalties

I definitely won't apply for the second grant if it comes, there is businesses that will need it but I reckon those that go for a second grant will be checked out and certain ones simply won't be eligible like couriers, this free ride that many are getting more so the paye furloughed lot with 80% of pay enjoying the hot weather and barbecues and beer everyday will get a big shock when it comes to an end and either they go back to work full-time or reduced hours or worse still no job at all it's all going to come crashing down for some.

I have 25 years trad experience and fairy will do the job perfectly. Can't teach me to suck eggs lol. Some people just like to argue for the sake of it if you do it differently to them. Water off a ducks back and ignore the wallys. When I left school and started being a windie in 91 there was no "professional product" and fairy worked perfectly. Why would it not now? Wfp is better FACT. I still trad a lot of bottoms as I enjoy it but wfp does a better job full stop. (Drops mic and walks away)

With all due respect, you were the first one to mention WFP

In South West Wales your TDS is likely to be below 100ppm (mine is currently 38ppm) so you should be able to get away with a DI vessel & resin for those tricky windows. For fascias & soffits just plug your water fed pole to the customers outside tap (no need to use de-ionised water). So my recommendations for your shopping list would be: TDS meter Water fed pole (Gardiners CLX-22 or SLX-22) Backpack (Gardiners) DI vessel (Pure Freedom) Tulsion Resin Hose reel (Claber) & 6mm/8mm hose You'll probably find you'll need a few extra hozelock fittings £500 should just about cover it.

All small fish apart from 1 today. Still a couple of hours before bbq though so maybe get better.

Everyone is individual, some have arthritis or have other ailments, some have had a hard life bring up families, some looking after parents as well as Well as cleaning windows , not everyone lives a more relaxed lifestyle, if I lived on my own and only worked 4 to 5 hours a day and only walked a dog a few times a week I think I would much more stress free and healthier tbh.

Just done my claim and the amount is to the penny. Pays for July's tax bill, 2 vans insurance and road tax, as always in one hand out the other. It is definitely a help to those affected and in need of the money though.

Id be starting at £560 (66 panels @8.50) then adding some for wooden frame etc...

I'm going to revisit what @Pjj advised @Daniel Perkins. If you haven't done this, remove those cables from the battery terminals and clean up each surface with fine sandpaper or emery tape/cloth. This includes the battery terminals, the battery posts and the underneath of the screw heads. Aluminum and steel react with each other and corrode over time. Its the same issue that Landrover owners have. The aluminum panels react with the metal frame so they need to put a barrier between the metal (insulator) to reduce this. You should do this one side at a time. If you can get some conductive grease great, but if not put it all back dry and smear some grease or vaseline over the top until you can get some electrical conductive grease. I'm also had a closer look at that fuse holder. It looks like a snap lock unit. They can cause problems. I prefer the all in one fuse holder. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Inline-Car-Fuse-Blade-Holder-30Amp-12V-Splash-Robinson-K265/170976134151?epid=25026727171&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item27cef8c407:g:NvoAAOSwtGNZzh9k&enc=AQAEAAACcIQvEcHUrT7nmUC3yY5qbPyaBN1nJEDYW8MyypsJPgXKNJpkvJd843sBLRdhZ0zmMGPypzgkZHePrRVdb0UAJnOCwnRD3lm6kuH1twlmnIk%2FRPii0ndRBiKlEw%2FrcQ5JSCltQJMDPxm6FUyRZtI25h9hpdT5YHkXXiNBxv8ZxQiZLD3R28OADXZSKmmFJ8l31cVeE9silerAFmC6K6M90iTr%2By6N%2FGIYLc8HcHtMIbg8sE7eQOIYbEwq4pCKRnyRtDNUOdqT%2FNyyQsohFYZT%2FXU2zCiCuXQWyTNa5hFEl2qzaGY6PVPCt%2FHt3JW1mojDGevh0VICLOYJR9sHWzSeGfh4L7PqdGjYax2BcqgrINxNhrGWhYaLrWDDMvMabvyl%2BkERU%2BCQHrGEJCay%2FyZov60F8TbWbdpXrOy4UkeDn%2BIztdola%2BvGECMUIacX0EVBqzc%2FlKy3eqwJe8%2F84ieyxyWtoQDpg2fFaHJdODZo0hlyohve5ujrmOCRIs2cm0Z2N824FD5Ma2apop7%2BBXSZejspHR5BPM7pGpytk3vrv56GNHrU7PmT8i9EzrPYOdG5USyhTZ%2BbD9%2F89GCjLAKmkXtyY2H2Epz%2BhUvkyrwgDRhRYhp2MS1WKYHrbnX5BaJpYnXV9p%2BXm%2BqIcZEJ5o5hKC2m6zGquDIAN2joq75g%2BfrznjYTefGvoKDQjtfCyLLdL4oCDVbOCfA3AeadaMfi%2BW3FI8fjNd7uFXq36M14vW%2BY1lsIj3TNZzlnjkPdVyAQ6Rgxw2m%2Bw5gjD7fFvsTr9tCgbCpCmsDkDrPWsjgB8%2FhszPDW8XJJx%2FVAvqgAfN6Xsg%3D%3D&checksum=17097613415110f1e5e024ce4bda84a6ec18db624837 You also have the option of connecting your controller up to your van battery and seeing if this solves the problem. Any 2 core cable above 10 amps will do to try it but do make sure you get the polarity right. Maybe you have a set of long jumper cables so you can connect your controller to the starter battery.

Please @Iurie. Get you tank secured properly. There was a window cleaner killed in a 3 way bumper bashing accident in Norfolk a while back. His tank slide forward and crushed him. http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/man-in-his-20s-dies-in-a1067-collision-1-5277880 This was reported on the other forum back in 2017. Another well known poster added. Been told by a friend of the deceased he was 23 and it was a wydale tank strapped in using straps. Please @Iurie this is for your family's sake. https://sciencing.com/how-8395603-calculate-change-momentum.html The example used was a vehicle weighing 909kgs. Your tank weighs 300kgs + when full - 1/3 of the example. Hitting a solid wall at 60MPH exerted a force 550 times the cars weight. Scary isn't it.

I don’t think they mind, so I’d Go WFP. Less danger and potentially a lot quicker once mastered. Good luck!