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Advice on pimping my old p/f trolly please

Diamond geezer

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I finally wont to get rid of the old 8mm hose on the trolly and just run pole hose of it.what would be the longest lenth of hose i could have please?Can i also have some advise on witch is the best kind of hose to use.Ive used Gardiners all season,and some pu hse from exceed on my hoseless system.I think the all season may be better,the exceed may be a bit to springey to hang nice on the trolly.It might actually be time to renew the pu hose on my hoseless as it kinks and tangles a lot more than when it was new ,seems to any way,When i first used pu from all season i thoght it was fantastic Cheers

 

Marko067

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Depends on how far you want to go. You can make the trolley itself much lighter by using a backpack pump and a 7 or 10ah battery instead of the monster pump and battery that come on the standard setup. I also prefer pneumatic tyres. And always keep a spare on he motor in case of punctures. That’s just my preference but it makes the trolley even lighter. Configured like this it’s almost half the original weight and works just as good. 

Regards hose, I only use about 15m of PU hose (Gardiner’s green) except on the trolley itself where I use 8mm ID minibore.  I have used as much as 25m of PU with this setup with no problems but currently have no jobs where I need more than 15m.

I hand coil my hose and just hang it on the trolley when not in use.

 

Davy G

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I finally wont to get rid of the old 8mm hose on the trolly and just run pole hose of it.what would be the longest lenth of hose i could have please?Can i also have some advise on witch is the best kind of hose to use.Ive used Gardiners all season,and some pu hse from exceed on my hoseless system.I think the all season may be better,the exceed may be a bit to springey to hang nice on the trolly.It might actually be time to renew the pu hose on my hoseless as it kinks and tangles a lot more than when it was new ,seems to any way,When i first used pu from all season i thoght it was fantastic Cheers
I recently bought some Gardiner Hi Vis fluorescent green pole hose. I really like it.

 
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Diamond geezer

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Depends on how far you want to go. You can make the trolley itself much lighter by using a backpack pump and a 7 or 10ah battery instead of the monster pump and battery that come on the standard setup. I also prefer pneumatic tyres. And always keep a spare on he motor in case of punctures. That’s just my preference but it makes the trolley even lighter. Configured like this it’s almost half the original weight and works just as good. 

Regards hose, I only use about 15m of PU hose (Gardiner’s green) except on the trolley itself where I use 8mm ID minibore.  I have used as much as 25m of PU with this setup with no problems but currently have no jobs where I need more than 15m.

I hand coil my hose and just hang it on the trolley when not in use.
you use 8mm on trolly,that suprises me i find mine unwildy.Is the15 attatched to the minibore or your pole please

 

dazmond

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I finally wont to get rid of the old 8mm hose on the trolly and just run pole hose of it.what would be the longest lenth of hose i could have please?Can i also have some advise on witch is the best kind of hose to use.Ive used Gardiners all season,and some pu hse from exceed on my hoseless system.I think the all season may be better,the exceed may be a bit to springey to hang nice on the trolly.It might actually be time to renew the pu hose on my hoseless as it kinks and tangles a lot more than when it was new ,seems to any way,When i first used pu from all season i thoght it was fantastic Cheers
personally id get rid of the trolley and buy a gardiner backpack,fold away trolley,bungee strap and 30m of pole hose....this is far lighter if you insist on using a trolley set up.....

 

Marko067

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you use 8mm on trolly,that suprises me i find mine unwildy.Is the15 attatched to the minibore or your pole please
I found that the 13mm ID hose (virtually standard garden hose) that used to be fitted on the trolley caused issues with airlocks when I ran barrels dry, due to the internal volume of the hose.  However, when I bought my second trolley, they had replaced the barrel hose with Minibore.  The first thing I noticed was that the issues with airlocks had disappeared.  So I replaced the barrel hose on the first trolley with Minibore and the airlock issues I had with it just disappeared.  It doesn't matter what ID size hose is connected to the output side.  Of course when I replaced the Sureflo with the backpack pump, then I had to use Minibore on both sides of the pump due to the smaller connections.

I use PU pole hose all the way from the trolley to the brush with a JG connector at the base of the pole.

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Don't know if the pictures are of any use to you but I've put them on anyway.

 

Diamond geezer

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Thanks for the pics Marco,inow understand why you use some microbore.Is your pu hose 15m permanently connected to your pole? My idea is to have pole hose hung on the back of the trolly. cause i have a hoseless set up I dont know though which pole hose to use.A good lenghth of pole hose,i dont know 30m,might if all season(Gardiners)  collapse over time,ie the inerwalls of the tube,due to its weight hanging on the trolly. On the other hand the p/u might spring all over the place.What do you think please?

 

Marko067

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I just use two lengths of PU hose. A 10m and a 15m length, depending on what my work requires.  I use a tubeless setup so just have a short hose-tail and JG connection at the base of my poles.

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I find the PU hose works best for me once I have broken it in. 

The all season hose is made of PVC I believe, and is not anywhere near as tough as PU.  I found the all season punctured very easily. For example; if you catch it under a gate, wrap it around a thorny rose bush or get it caught under your trolley tyres.  It also doesn't like being folded as when you stand your pole on it where it exits the bottom of the pole.

PU hose, being a lot tougher, is less flexible than PVC hose, and thus requires learning how to manage it whilst working to prevent it getting all twisted up.  But once you have mastered it, it is much more resistant to damage and therefore longer lasting.

I've hung a 25m coil of PU hose on the back of the trolley with no issues at all. I recon 30m would be fine if you needed it.  I've found that the two lengths I mentioned above work best for all of my work.

 
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Diamond geezer

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Well thanks very much Marco,lots of food for thought especially the two lenths of pu I might come back to you oneday on where to get pnematic wheels,but for now ill concentrate on getting her hosed up  unfortunately ive not long replaced the big battery in the trolly so ill prob use as is to get some money back.Thanks once again

 

Chris34

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Well thanks very much Marco,lots of food for thought especially the two lenths of pu I might come back to you oneday on where to get pnematic wheels,but for now ill concentrate on getting her hosed up  unfortunately ive not long replaced the big battery in the trolly so ill prob use as is to get some money back.Thanks once again
two lengths is the best setup, it's what I do.  You're best measuring the perfect length to cover the majority of your work and just have the spare length for the odd occasion when you need the extra length.  No point in having 25 metres of hose if 95 percent of your work only needs 15 metres.  Aside from having to handle more hose, it also puts your machine under more unnecessary strain.

 

Daftoldgit

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my poles have 15 metres of hose on them, and I just plug it straight into the trolley, it's long enough for nearly every job I do, I carry an extension piece in the van for the occasional job where I need a bit extra. I use the yellow gardiners hose, I reckon to get a year or so out of it.

 
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