Choosing a spare backpack

Discussion in 'Water Fed Pole Cleaning' started by Max, Jun 16, 2016.

Advertisement
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.
  2. Welcome to the UK Window Cleaning Forums.
    Starting or own a window cleaning business? We're a network of window cleaners sharing advice, tips & experience. Rounds for sale & more. Join us today!

  1. Max

    Max Member
    Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2015
    Messages:
    48
    Likes Received:
    18
    Hi,
    I currently use a Gardiners backpack but if it went wrong I would have to use the trad gear that is always with me, so I think I should get a spare backpack. unsure whether to bite the bullet and get another Gardiner one or a slightly cheaper one like the Water Genie. What do you think? What's your back up?
    Cheers in advance for your reply's.
     
    Advertisement
  2. spruce

    spruce Grand Master
    Member

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2012
    Messages:
    2,536
    Likes Received:
    736
    The old conundrum. If its your only means of cleaning (without going back to trad) then I would get another backpack and alternate using them.

    Gardiners were out of stock of backpacks for about a week last week. If you needed one then you would have had to wait until new stocks arrived.
    We have just ordered a new one as our old Proback has packed up for the second time (failed speed controller). We could afford to wait as my son just used his hose reel.

    We carry a variety of spares now. I still have a new pump and controller as well as a new shaft and bearings for our hose reels. Even although most things are a day away (next day delivery) this can still mean downtime and loss of earnings.

    My experience was learning the hard way. The first part that I broke when just starting was the Y piece on the brush head splitting the water to the 2 jets.
    I tried to find something locally before ordering from a supplier by first class post. The first class post arrived 2 days later. I part that cost £1 cost me 2 days work. From that day on I ordered a replacement for virtually everything - excluding r/o membranes.

    -
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
    • Like Like x 1
    • List
  3. blaze

    blaze Member
    Member

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2015
    Messages:
    75
    Likes Received:
    19
    Would stick with the Gardiner back pack as you can get all the spares from Alex Gardiner
     
  4. Eviestevie

    Eviestevie Grand Master
    Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2015
    Messages:
    2,071
    Likes Received:
    592
    The new backpack from window cleaning warehouse
    It's got lithium battery that just slot in
    Save taking back pack in etc
     
  5. TolishAPurd

    Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2013
    Messages:
    5,101
    Likes Received:
    2,681
    Another vote for the Gardiner's.

    Just to e go what spruce is saying...A few days ago I spent 60quid on spare bits just to keep in a tool box for running repairs. There's a lot of potential for things to go wrong and waiting and paying for delivery on separate occasions is pointless imo. I'm not done yet either, I'll probably blow another 40quid on bits once I get my van mount and know what I'm dealing with.
     
  6. Marko067

    Marko067 Well-Known Member
    Member

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2016
    Messages:
    558
    Likes Received:
    186
    #6 Marko067, Jun 16, 2016
    Last edited: Jun 16, 2016
    If you like a bit of DIY then it might be worth getting a second hand Freedom trolley.
    Get rid of the Sureflo pump and and big battery and battery box, (these are very heavy). Fit a backpack pump (£15 ebay), a 7ah battery (£25 for two, eBay). I use a PWM controller (also cheap on eBay) for mine as the digital one didn't like the backpack pump and kept shutting down. I had an old Freedom trolley so I used the controller off that. I also fitted pneumatic tyres as these are lighter than the solid ones. Also £25 for four on... guess where?

    I primarily did it to get the weight down. The trolley is now really light (half the weight) and because everything is easy to get your hands on (literally), any part can be fixed / replaced real quick if you have spares on board. I carry a spare pump, battery, wheel, fuses and hose fittings for the trolley. The battery can be changed in less than a minute, and the pump can be changed in under 10 minutes. I've used 8mm minibore for the hose as it just pushes onto the pump and a Claber 8mm Hozeloc connector from Gardiner's. See pictures
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]

    This setup gives me a good day of work. However, it does need to be charged everyday. I keep the spare battery on board just in case. I have had to swap it out once during the day when I was running it flat out all day. But the pump I'm using is a 5lpm one and I don't usually run it flat out. I normally set the controller to 6/10 though I often find even 4/10 works well. It depends how dirty the windows are. I think most backpack pumps are more like 4lpm and will use less power.
     
  7. albootyerbaws

    albootyerbaws Well-Known Member
    Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2014
    Messages:
    291
    Likes Received:
    35
    have you got a link for the pump? please.
     
  8. spruce

    spruce Grand Master
    Member

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2012
    Messages:
    2,536
    Likes Received:
    736

    Interesting mod. Wouldn't have thought about doing it myself tbh. But it makes sense.
     
  9. Marko067

    Marko067 Well-Known Member
    Member

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2016
    Messages:
    558
    Likes Received:
    186
    My reasoning was, with so many of us using backpacks and doing a days work with them, using the innards of one to make my trolley lighter must work. Most backpacks were using 7ah batteries at the time so that was my first change and even with the Sureflo pump I could do 4hrs on compact residential work with no signs of it giving up. My next change was the pump. At 1/4 of the weight of the Sureflo that seemed a no brainer. I ordered one from Gardiner's. and it bolted straight on which was a bonus. Then I hit my first snag. The digital controller didn't like it and kept shutting down. I still had my old analogue controller from my first Freedom trolley. So I put that on and since have had no problems. I've since put a 5lpm pump on but had to switch over the pressure switch as the fixed 115psi one on the pump I got was too high for the univalve and made it hard to operate.
    This is the one I'm currently using though it has the pressure switch from the Gardiner one on it.
    115PSI 300L/h High Pressure Diaphragm Water Pump 12V 60W Yacht Boat Car Marine

    However, this one should do it without messing around with the pressure switch.
    New 80PSI ( 70) 5 L/min Diaphragm High Pressure Water Pump 12Volt DC

    Even if I went through one a year I wouldn't consider it a problem.
    The wheels were also worth changing to reduce the weight. The whole thing has a more robust feel than a backpack on a sacktruck and is nice to operate.

    By saying that it is not my intention to knock backpacks as I'm considering getting a small one for jobs where I have to go through properties.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
    • List
  10. albootyerbaws

    albootyerbaws Well-Known Member
    Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2014
    Messages:
    291
    Likes Received:
    35
    cheers for the links. is 5 litre a minute not a bit much for a backpack.?
     
Advertisement