full time or part time ?

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  1. Keir999

    Keir999 Active Member
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    I work a full time job 4 days a week and shine usually 2 days a week.I have built up a good round after 11 years on the glass. Its been on my mind for a while that I could quit my full time job and window clean full time instead. I just get sick of all the politics and being told what to do. I love working for myself and would much rather put all my time and energy into my own business. I would have to dramatically increase my round, like double it, to make up the shortfall, but I'm pretty confident I could achieve this. Maybe even buying a round to add onto mine. I have dreamt of doing this for a long time, but its actually having the guts to go out and do it for real. Even if I were to take slightly less money per month, isn't it worth it to have the freedom and pride ? Tough decisions ... any comments and your experiences would be welcome
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  2. Jake

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    Go for it mate, save up and get some buffer money, then get a website and some good business cards etc and hit the streets canvassing, before you know it, you'll be reeling in the work (excuse the pun)

    When I went on my own after working with a family friend for a couple of years, I started out canvassing 3 times a week and it grew from there, but the real explosion came when I got a decent website and started marketing properly, so I'd say save up, get a good brand, hit the canvassing, and you'll be on your way! I hope you do, you won't regret it provided you put the effort in, which I'm sure you would!
     
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  3. daveyboy

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    Go for it fella
    You will only regret it if you don't
    There is a bodybuilder on utube called c t fletcher who is a very inspirational guy (except the fact he is from compton and says mofo all the time)
    He hit the nail on the head when he said the key to success in anything is obsession
    If you live breathe and dream it it will happen
    Get obsessed
    Get out there
    Don't stop and you will have the round you want quite soon
    Then relax and enjoy the freedom mate
     
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  4. peter rogers

    peter rogers Grand Master
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    u really hav to think bout it mate as if it was easy decision ued quit 11 years ago and depends if u can build p more busines
     
  5. adamangler

    adamangler Wakefield Window Warrior
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    11 years! Long time to be juggling the two. Ive been juggling both for 6 months and its driving me insane when I see all the opportunity with having ur own business then having to go back to an employee the next day. Whats even worse is when you go home having had a good day with a load of money in your pocket and realising the next 3 days at work would be the same amount lol. Its hard when you havent got enough work to pay the bills but havent enough free time to take on anymore work. Im getting my hours reduced at work to 16 a week although I have been waiting weeks and im getting to the point now where im seriously considering quitting and going for it. My window round this last month has gone backwards and Im so frustrated and pissed off right now so I can relate to uou situation. I have a plan in place to be full time by the end of summer so im trying to tough it out and save a little bit of money these next few months. but if I didnt I would just quit and do it as I have enough experience in the past to know the power of nessecity. Its scary starting a business and feeling these fears and doubts but its exciting and you feel alive at the same time. I couldnt imagine going back to not having these struggles and the monotiny of clocking in and out and going home with no worries but also nothing to strive for. All my life ive felt like I didnt know what I wanted to do with it but now having found entrepreneurship I wouldnt give it up for the world and nothing will stop me succeeding no matter how long it takes.
     
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    I think its a very difficult position for you to be in. The other problem for you is that your company may not end up cutting your hours. Perhaps, like my wife, the company she works for cut her hours in the financial downturn but now wants her back working full time.

    But working for yourself is not for everybody. It requires discipline that not all people have. (It doesn't make them bad people BTW.)

    I have seen 3 sole traders through in the towel in as many months as the stress of being solely responsible for their own financial outcome has got to them. (One a window cleaner, one a plumber and one an electrician.) I've seen a fourth, a window cleaner recently take on part time work driving a delivery van as additional income.)
    The growth of the economy has meant that jobs are becoming more plentiful and these ones have chosen a more 'secure' form of employment.

    The issue for you is having fixed hours on a day that you have to work. Someone's law always says that the days you have to work are the best window cleaning days. The days you aren't working will be the days when the weather forces you to stay inside and you can't window clean.

    I would consider saving up some holidays and then making a determined canvassing drive to get more work in before terminating your employment. You need to be making to best of the summer daylight hours, not trying to have this all in place by the end of summer. Winter is a more difficult time to push start a window cleaning business.
     
  7. adamangler

    adamangler Wakefield Window Warrior
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    Yeh the main problem is like you say when im at work suns shining then when I want to clean windows I cant. In theory I could take on more work but the reality is due to the weather I cant. My only full day off is fridays and when it rains badly on a friday im screwed. Anyway been promised my hours are going down by the end of the month so will see what happens
     
  8. spruce

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    #8 spruce, Apr 26, 2015
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    That's the problem. A part time job like this is not conducive to running a second income stream which is weather and daylight hours dependent.

    When I first started cleaning wfp 10 years ago, I also didn't have enough work to keep me going through the month.

    I was offered a part time job for 3 or 4 days a week, but the hours were from 10 till 2 or later depending on the work load. Even with half a brain it didn't take me long to work out that I would be worse off with this job than working full time on the glass. So my focus was to get in more work.

    I also quickly found that having a full round in winter wasn't good enough for the other 8 or 9 months of the year so I carried on looking for more.

    Unlike you I lost my job and jobs are harder to come by as you get older as age is a limiting factor. So I had no option but to take on this initial round from my son and expand it. I was helping him doing the round trad anyway on a Saturday when I was working as he wasn't motivated to do it on his own.

    Although my son is now a full time window cleaner he still hasn't the mental aptitude to work as a self employed sole trader. It's easier for him to skive off for the day with a minor excuse and play on his computer. For him I would say he would be better in the regimented work regime of employment and working for a boss. As far as my son is concerned, he was always moaning about how long he worked and how little he got at the end of the week in financial reward. But earning the same amount in 2 days with a bit of graft wasn't and still isn't enough to spur him on to keep going.

    So having experience with both sides, the other option is to look for a full time job that pays a decent wage and give up window cleaning altogether. I understand that money is an issue in starting window cleaning full time, but I can't help but feel that there is a little more to this. Even although you have window cleaning experience you appear to be cautious about holding onto the security of having a permanent job. There is nothing wrong with this - we are all different.


    To go back to the OP.

    Keir999 noted; "I love working for myself and would much rather put all my time and energy into my own business."
    I see this as a bit of a smoke screen to what I believe you actually feel.

    Like adamangler I'm going to say that if this were actual rather than more emotional then I believe you would have already done it before now. Please understand that this is not meant to be taken negatively. I'm not having a go at you. I put more weight on the next comment you made later in your post as this is the most telling. "But its actually having the guts to go out and do it for real."

    Yes it takes guts to go out and actually do it. But if you have doubts then maybe you aren't that way inclined. This don't make you any less of a person, you are on the same level, just on the opposite side of the coin. So I again suggest that maybe the same could apply to you. Is there an option of finding suitable full time employment elsewhere?

    With self employment you lose out on other benefits; limited security, sick pay, paid holidays, and you get the stress from all sides of running a business no matter what life and the elements throw at you.

    I wish you both the best with making the right choices for you and your families.
     
  9. spruce

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    Its stepping into the unknown voluntarily that's the difficult thing, even when you know what its about.

    I guess I can also relate to it as the fear of failure. This is my demon if I'm honest,

    The other demon is that I'm not money driven, but rather quality driven. Whilst this is good from a customer point of view, I know I waste precious time and energy trying to achieve a 100% clean rather than a 95% clean that is totally acceptable. This over-cleaning reduces my earning ability.

    I have always worked for a boss until the last 11 years where I was forced into self employment. TBH I would much rather have a 9 to 5 office job and be paid a wage for doing it. Having a long term illness when doing a self employed manual job is really difficult, especially during the cold, wet winter months.

    But I love this job when the sun is out and its warm. This time of year of Spring is the best.
     
  10. Keir999

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    I really appreciate all the comments and opinions above. Thanks to Jake, Daveyboy1, PeterRogers, adamangler and Spruce ! I love this Forum and its quite heartwarming to know that we can all express out concerns and ideas here without fear of ridicule and can get some well needed feedback from fellow brothers who understand the life of a shiner and all it entails. Im still at a bit of a crossroads and dont wanna make a rash decision and regret it. Im definitely going to look into cutting my days from 4 to 3 days or even consider a sebatical and take a year off to see if I can go full time on the glass and cope financially. At least this has got me thinking and im not stagnating, which is a trap a lot of people fall into. Good luck lads. I wish you all well :)
     
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