WFP v Trad

Discussion in 'Water Fed Pole Cleaning' started by windyman, Feb 14, 2012.

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  1. windyman

    windyman Well-Known Member
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    There's no real question in this post, but just an observation really.

    You hear people raving about WFP & how trad is old-fashioned & useless. And you hear people who hate WFP. The last few days I've been experimenting and has reinforced my belief that there is room and need for both, depending on your work.

    I have had WFP for few yrs now & I don't do any tops off a ladder, too risky. Will always use WFP for upstairs windows.

    I have a run (about 200 houses) that I do tops wfp & trad bottoms. I've been wanting to make it all WFP so decided this week was the week.

    Did my first lot of houses, got back to van, and saw that it had taken the same amount of time doing it all WFP as it did bottoms trad.

    Did 2nd lot of houses and found the same, along with some access problems & faffy problems using WFP where I normally trad.

    So after that, I went back to doing bottoms trad- And I actually preferred it.

    My point is that I think there is place for both. You can't say one way is 'better'- just different.

    No doubt WFP is quicker instead of using a ladder, but for ground level stuff, if your quick with your blade, that can be as fast. I also have work that is all WFP & is way quicker than trad.

    I use a trolley, backpack, van system & trad gear- All have their place.

    Sorry for the lengthy kinda-pointless post, but just made me realise you need to adapt to the job, not be narrow minded when it comes to equipment.
     
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  2. badbusdriver

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    Not this old chestnut again!.

    It is down to personal opinion and choice, pure and simple. A lot of members on here are people starting from scratch for whatever reason, be it being fed up working for someone else, or the inability to find work in this ecomomic climate. For those, trad is the only way to go, due to much lower startup costs and overheads, once up and running.

    However, to say that both trad and wfp methods are needed, is questionable, i myself am proof of that. I have been cleaning windows using wfp only for over 2.5 years now, and growing my business (albeit, slowly) mainly through word of mouth, constantly since then. If both methods were 'needed', this wouldnt be the case. The only times where i have ever wished i was competent using trad methods is when customers with large houses have asked me about doing insides. Certainly i have never felt trad would help me on the outsides.

    Like you say windyman, there are members on here who are very dismissive of either methods, but as far as im concerned, each to their own.
     
  3. Matty H

    Matty H Forum Addict
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    I do every single one of my houses WFP - only trad insides when required!

    A lot of the new builds around here you couldn't trad outside anyway because of window designs - I SELL WFP TO THE CUSTIE THEY ARE ACTUALLY QUITE INTRIGUED BY IT IF THEY HAVE NEVER SEEN IT BEFORE.
     
  4. jambo113

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    i'm a trad cleaner and can see lots of advantages for wfp for most windys the only thing that stops me getting a system for my round is simply because ive got a few streets with rows of terrace houses were i do around 15 on each and the gardens are really long so if i got a van system i would need 100s of meters of hose to access the backs if u used a trolley system i would be walking back to the car every couple of houses to get a new barrell. at the minute i park my car at the end of the street clean all the fronts then clean all the backs works great but would love a wfp system for gutters connys and them awkward windows just dont get enough of them jobs to justify it at the min
     
  5. chip

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    they're both fine choices, whatever floats your boat.
    i'm 80%+ wfp, there are days i love it and days it drives me round the bend.
    is a window cleaner wfp? i'm not sure, i have noticed that i can find myself trying to clean a mark which is inside! does'nt happen trad, so possibly. main trouble obviously is dirt above frames or in the seals what you never seem to get the better of. hose getting caught is an hassle.

    both honest ways of living, neither deserves ridicule
     
  6. windyman

    windyman Well-Known Member
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    Yep I agree guys, I wasn't slating either method. I was just saying both have their place.

    I too am mostly WFP & that's why I was dead certain on doing all my ground level stuff WFP, but the trial period has shown me that trad can be just as quick. It's not that WFP is slow, but I trad very quick!

    I also have a large office where I spend 3hrs on the insides, all trad obviously. If I couldn't trad very fast I'd be there all day. And if I had to do the outsides trad, I'd also be there all day!

    I think I need both!
     
  7. chip

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    only reason i don't trad downs or what i can reach is that i can't do with lagging both kits about!
    if water becomes an issue i may bite the bullet
     
  8. badbusdriver

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    At the end of the day its up to you, but dont you think you should try doing downstairs with wfp a bit longer before deciding it is no quicker?. If you have always done downstairs trad, you will be well used to it, and through experience have the time down to the bare minimum. If you then, decide to try wfp, you shouldnt really expect it to be quicker straight away, it will take a few runs to hone the best and quickest technique?. Just a thought! :)
     
  9. windyman

    windyman Well-Known Member
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    Yea I did think about that. But tbh, to start doing the bottoms wfp I risk losing customers (I know it's ridiculous as they have tops done wfp, but you know what they're like!)...So for me to risk losing customers, doing bottoms wfp would have to be MUCH quicker.

    I don't wanna risk losing some, then swapping back to trad bottoms. Think I'll just stick with what works.
     
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