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Solar Panel Cleaning Training Course To Be Held 11th July 2015

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It is realised within the solar industry that many window cleaners have added solar panel cleaning to their list of services over the last 12 months. This is of great concern to the industry as a whole due to the risks involved, risks which will become more apparent as solar arrays sit on roofs, age and deteriorate.

Basic scaremongering in an attempt to make noobs scared enough to pay for this mickey mouse course,as well as putting doubt into solar farm managers minds, all in a bid to line your pockets.

 

As you may know, solar panel installers must have a number of qualifications in order to be allowed to install solar panels in the UK. Without adequate training and qualifications, it is illegal for them to install solar panels. The main reason that they need qualifications though is due to the electrical risk associated with their job.

 

That'll be because they are working with exposed wires and making potentially fatal connections.

 

There is electrical risk associated with solar panel cleaning because the panels are always live when we clean them. It is because of the risks associated with solar panel cleaning that we are putting on this training course.

 

Next month I intend to put on a course for house cleaners that want to clean and dust televisions. Just £200. If you are cleaning TVs in a residential setting then you don't need to wear my branded t shirt, but if you want to go and clean TVs in Currys then you will have to wear my uniform and put a sticker on your van.

 

Laughable.

 

We will also discuss how you can incorporate solar panel cleaning into your business more fully.

All attendees will leave with a solar panel cleaning training certificate. While it is not going to be an ‘offically’ accredited certificate of training, it will still carry great value in a number of ways.

 

In other words its worth NOTHING. And if an operator showed it in a court of law after an accident, they will not be backed up by you in the slightest.

 

"erm, your honour...Steve made this certificate for me that says I know what I'm doing"

 

1. We are looking to bring uniformity in safety to what is a brand new industry in the UK. It is certainly being viewed by the solar industry as a whole as being completely different to the window cleaning industry. While it is true that some tools may be the same, techniques and safety concerns are completely different in the same way that a cabinet maker and electrician both use screwdrivers a lot, but their techniques and safety concerns are completely different.

 

An on site safety induction like the ones on a construction site will achieve the same result and should be a requirement anyway, only problem is....you won't make money from that.

 

2. Many solar panel cleaning contracts will be up for tender in your area over the coming period of time. As you know, normally they look for 3 quotes, checking the credentials of each company. Until the changes in industry regulation occur, it is likely that you will be pricing against other window cleaners.

 

Wow, this is great! So,what's going to set me apart I wonder??....

 

By having a certificate of training,.....

 

Coool!!! :)

 

...is it accredited?

 

it is not going to be an ‘offically’ accredited certificate of training,

 

Booo..:thumbsdown:

 

you instantly put yourself ahead of your competition.

 

I doubt it.:thumbsdown:

 

Also, as a result of attending the training course, you will be able to speak with authority about the safety aspects of solar panel cleaning and working at height. Again, this will give you an edge against your competitors.

 

See above.

 

3. Your are sure to grow your own portfolio of solar panel cleans in your area.

 

What guarentees are you offering for this. Would I get my course fee back if I don't?

 

Because of the value of the information that we will be sharing, we have a number of objectives that we will need our subcontractors to agree to:

 

This'll be interesting...

1. Promote the Clean Solar Solutions brand by way of our logo and a web link from your website to ours and a vehicle decal being added to your vehicle signage. This is mutually beneficial.

 

Really? ...because it seems to me like I'm getting my pants pulled down, and devaluing my own brand in the process.

 

Our brand will gain wider exposure. Your potential clients when they are searching for a solar panel cleaner in their area will see that you are a Clean Solar Solutions Ltd Approved Contractor. Because of the reputation we hold within the solar industry, this will give you an edge over your competitors who claim to be 'fully trained';. They will not be fully trained because there is no training for solar panel cleaning available apart from our training course.

 

Thats great! So who trained you? ...and are you accredited?

 

:rolleyes:

 

You will be able to present a certificate of training, whereas they will not. If you have information flyers or packs which you present to clients, having our logo present is also mutually beneficial for the same reasons as above.

 

"Hi Mr solar farm manager, Steve printed this certificate for me on his home computor.."

 

2. Wear Clean Solar Solutions branded tops on industrial/commercial/agricultural jobs. It is important that subcontractors are seen to be Clean Solar Solutions representatives when they are on one of our sites. If it is a residential job, we are reasonable. For the time it will take to do the job and because it is likely to be fitted in with your regular work, we would not expect for you to change clothing. However, on commercial scale jobs, wearing our branded clothing will be a requirement.

 

So wait, I've paid for this 'course', and now I have to represent YOUR brand, instead of my own. ...What happened to the whole "mutually beneficial" stuff.

 

3. If for whatever reason you decide not to continue subcontracting for Clean Solar Solutions Ltd, we will ask you to relinquish your training certificate and you will no longer be able to represent the Clean Solar Solutions brand. This is to protect our brand from potentially unsafe or substandard work being carried out under our brand.

 

...other wise I would lose all accreditation. Wait, what?

 

4. We will not train two potential subcontractors in the same area. This would be counterproductive for all parties.

 

When people see through this pile of :turd:, I doubt that'll bean issue.

 

The cost of attending the event for the first person is £199.00 +V.A.T. If you would be interested in bringing along more than one employee from your company, the cost for each further person is just £99.00 + V.A.T
. This provides exceptional value for money considering the possibilities the solar panel cleaning industry holds. This fee will include a hot 2 course lunch, some marketing materials for you to take away, as well as certification that you have attended our course. We will look to start at 9:30a.m. and have a break in the morning, lunch and afternoon and will be finish at around 3:30pm.

 

240 notes for a course that starts late and finishes early, way to give value for money.

Spaces available are limited.

 

I doubt this very much. :rolleyes:

 

Our team will be on hand to answer your questions throughout lunch and other breaks.

 

"I should hope so for what I'm paying".

 

You may also view this as an opportunity to network with quality cleaning companies from other parts of the UK who may be able to help you cover large contracts you may acquire in the future.

 

OR: "You may view this asan opportunity to network with other gullible window cleaners that also lightened their wallets by falling for this drivel".

 

We hope that business continues to be busy for you. Please feel free to contact us and our team looks forward to hearing from you.

It would be a lot busier if I just put my £240 towards some proper advertising instead me thinks.;)

 

Clean Solar Solutions Ltd

www.solar-panel-cleaners.com

 

...so about that accreditation?

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Posh

I'm not going to comment on this.

I feel the same as @daveyboy1 on this.

And he has let me down in the past????

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peter rogers

ive done two country houses big enough and have contacted a sales company for solar panels and he said u only get hurt if u break on open and spray water on it lol

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Green Pro Clean Ltd

Tolish! All I have to say is LMFAO!!

 

Question - I see the words 'Sub-contractors' bandied about a lot' so by my reasoning, I pay you my £240 - put on your t-shirt and then all Solar panel cleaning contracts acquired by Clean Solar Solutions in the Nottinghamshire area are mine? after all I clean windows all over the Nottinghamshire area so I consider that my territory.

 

I think that seems fair. After all you have already stated you wont 'train' anyone else in my 'area'

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Green Pro Clean Ltd

BTW Steve. As a 'subcontractor' I will also need a copy of the main contractors (Clean Solar Solutions) Liability Insurance that covers me as your sub at your expense. It's almost worth that fee now! :P

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cheapncheerful

well that course got well advertised...:D

 

actually...I dont know why steve doesnt just franchise the areas out and throw the course and certificate in to the franchise holders.

 

to balance the argument back a bit steves way...someone has to be first to offer the course and also people are free to buy or not to buy...

 

and in true dragons den....Im out..:D

 

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and in true dragons den....Im out..:D

 

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Well as CNC is out I will make an offer - 95% of the business for £10. - I don't want to hear from you or see you except to collect my money each month. I will give you no mentoring or support. I will expect you to do all the work and deal with all the agro and at the monthly staff meeting (at a restaurant of my choice) you will be expected to pick up the tab. And no, the percentage is not negotiable!

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peter rogers

i can see were he is comng from getting a fair price across uk for cleaning panels but.... u dont need to charge to train people or dick about

 

get everyone on board and price the same do whole uk and most of all dont charge us to join lol

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peter rogers

anybody on here wanna have a windie cleaner staff dinner pmsl green no staff meeting just do dinner lol

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Guest Solar Steve
So you want to charge £238.80 to train subcontrators that will be working for you that you are obliged to do for free and if they don't promote your company nor work for you they have to hand back their training cert as well.

 

Nice try ...You must be having a fooking laugh steve :laugh:

Smurf, I will start at the top and work my way down these comments. I might be up late tonight, but it's worth it.

 

So far, 6 people are coming on the course and it has only been advertised for a matter of hours. SOME out there think this is worthwhile. I welcome the controversy because I know that who pays their money and comes are those who are genuinely interested in making this work.

 

I am not obliged to pay for subcontractors training or do it for free. That's like me saying I can subcontract for an electrician, when he knows I can't do the job, then me expecting him to train me. Ridiculous.

 

Regarding the price, it's a bargain. One Derby-based subcontractor who is coming on the course earned £1,800.00 in a week only a fortnight ago, him and his employee. £900.00 per man subcontracting seems a fare wage to me. After he comes on the course, we are very close to securing another 2 sites in his catchment area. If we get them, and I'm pretty sure we will, it will mean about £22K to him. Why will I be confident he will do a good job and not be electrocuted in the process, because he will know EVERYTHING I know about cleaning safely and quickly from the day course. Ask him if £238.80 is a rip off. I doubt it.

 

Regarding the certificate, why should I allow people to trade under my brand, when they no longer do work for me? You think Herbalife allow people to sell products after they finish working for Herbalife? Me neither. It's about brand protection, nothing more.

 

And no, it's not a laughing matter...

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Guest Solar Steve
If there's no other certified solar panel cleaning courses available in the UK, then who trained you Steve? :whistle:

If there was training available, I would be at the front of the queue and be willing to pay top dollar for it too. I know what this industry is worth now and will be worth in the future.

 

I have nearly 20 years cleaning experience, 6 years of private research and over 3 years mingling in the solar industry with some of the most qualified solar engineers in the country, who in turn work for some of the biggest installers in the UK. Couple that with giving seminar parts for half hour at at time, including Q&A sessions at national solar events and yes, I'd say I'm pretty well qualified to speak on the subject without being officially trained.

Not only does the industry say there is a risk, they want solar panel cleaning to be REGULATED because they know window cleaners are putting themselves at risk everyday cleaning panels. So that's what we will be looking to do in the future. They want me on board to help make regulation happen.

 

Times will change with this I'm afraid guys. You will not be allowed to clean panels willy nilly in years to come....

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Steve,, as they say you have two hopes and Bob is dead! You think you are going to 'regulate' the cleaning of Solar Panels? Perhaps on commercial 'farms' but never on residential.

 

Just look at window cleaning as an example, you 'by law' have to have liability insurance to clean windows. For every Windy that does I can point to 10 that don't and you think they are going to pass up some extra solar panel cleaning cash just because some bunch of chaps who want to control the purse strings say it's now regulated?

 

You talk of the risk (driving round Birmingham is a risk) Can you point me to references material of 'serious injury' / 'fatality' cause whilst cleaning solar panels?

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Duncs

there are guys on here been asking for advice on cleaning these panels , me for one

i just dont get this at all

every one on here has gave advice on all topics no problems at all helping each other out

that is why this forum is so successful.

folk are concerned about the safety of these panels, yet steve is not sharing this info

rant over

i,ve asked sparky,s all said ok

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Guest Solar Steve
"All attendees will leave with a solar panel cleaning training certificate. While it is not going to be an ‘offically’ accredited certificate of training, it will still put money in my back pocket leaving you with a worthless certificate which you don't own and you get to advertise my company with no cost to me"

 

Must think we're all zipped up the back

Partnerships have to be symbiotic. Clean Solar Solutions Ltd have a much better chance of getting the contracts than Mr Window Cleaner. That's what we do. But we need Mr Window Cleaner to help us get the big jobs done. But we need to know Mr Window Cleaner is up to the task. That's all this is about.

 

The cost to me is the sharing of knowledge. Knowledge carries value, no matter what industry you are in. Consultants can command huge fees for what they know and the right people pay the huge fees because they see value for their company...

 

£199.00 is not a huge fee...

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Tuffers

Tuffers sticking his hand up at the back of the class here. What if I fail the course :confused: Do I still get my certificate?

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Partnerships have to be symbiotic. Clean Solar Solutions Ltd have a much better chance of getting the contracts than Mr Window Cleaner. That's what we do. But we need Mr Window Cleaner to help us get the big jobs done. But we need to know Mr Window Cleaner is up to the task. That's all this is about.

 

The cost to me is the sharing of knowledge. Knowledge carries value, no matter what industry you are in. Consultants can command huge fees for what they know and the right people pay the huge fees because they see value for their company...

 

£199.00 is not a huge fee...

 

Load of bollox! We all share info on this forum and the other one. All you do is cream the cream mate!

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cheapncheerful

you fight your corner well steve...:D

 

tuffers you will go on the naughty step...for making me laugh this near bedtime...

 

 

cant stop laughing...What if I fail the course :confused: Do I still get my certificate?

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Partnerships have to be symbiotic. Clean Solar Solutions Ltd have a much better chance of getting the contracts than Mr Window Cleaner. .

 

How to come across as an arrogant prick! I will wage £50 we bid for the same contracts and you'll be the one playing x-box whilst I am busy cleaning Solar Panels.!

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Guest Solar Steve
I'll tell you what Steve. If cleaning solar panels is so dangerous and could possibly electrocute someone that hasn't got your vast experience, then why don't you do everyone a favour and tell us how we are supposed to clean them and in the process save a life or two?

 

What ya reckon Steve, good idea?

General Motors first installed the airbag in cars, a device which has saved many lives over the years. Did Mr Toyota ring them up and ask how to do it? Probably not. But if he did, did GM just hand over the plans and say "We've spent years spending money and man hours researching this, but yeah, here you go. Here are the plans." No. GM most probably commanded a monstrous fee because they did not want give it away without financial benefit to themselves. And do you know what? Toyota would probably have paid because they didn't want to be left behind. GM made all of their efforts financially worthwhile and Toyota kept up to speed and felt it was great value for money in the process.

 

Come on guys. I'm amazed!!! You are all businessmen. Spend a bit to make a bit more. You'll happily spend £800.00 on a pole so that you can reach high windows your competitors can't. But £200 on a course that will unlock the door to a whole new industry? What's not to like? The bashing of this befuddles me...

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