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Solar Panel Cleaning Training Course To Be Held 11th July 2015



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TolishAPurd
I'm going to bed now. But before I do, I've had a thought.

 

Is anyone brave enough to stick their head out above the parapet, at their own expense, hire a conference room, provide food and drink, invite everyone over and have as the theme of the day: WHY CLEANING SOLAR PANELS IS NOT DANGEROUS.

 

You know, I'd even pay £238.80 just to hear what they had to say. Out of morbid curiosity rather than wanting to know it would do my business some good.

 

Put your hands up, then form an orderly queue! Goodnight!

 

Lol, it would be more interesting to be a fly on the wall of one of your courses, watching your 'students' eyes glazing over while you waffle about irrelevent topics, preying for the day to end so they can pick up their certificate and free t shirt.

 

Night night Steve.:D

 

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Diwrnach
I must be reading this wrong. So let me get this right, as an electrician, you'd be happy to say that there is NO possibility that spraying water onto an electrified panel whilst holding a carbon pole can result in an electric shock???

 

Pay the £200.00 and I will happily tell you what can potentially happen and how...

 

I'd be a complete idiot to offer this course on the Internet and not know the answer to that!

The only possible way you could get a shock is if the panel is broken, the glass on the front would have to be compromised, you can see if this is the case by looking at it.

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Smurf

Now if that was an ofical ancreditted training course with no strings attached I would probably be one of the first to sign up. However as it stands it's just a gimmick to make money off the backs of gullible ppl which I find distasteful.

 

Apology accepted.

 

A couple of quick points, I am t-total, if my missus doesn't want to share the bed she can f**k off and sleep in the spare room, I paid for this bed and the room it's in (the house that that room is in as well come to think of it) and lastly this isn't a verbal battle, it's not even a tiff.

 

It takes a damn sight more than someone I have never met that (don't take this next part too personally) I don't give a toss about giving it a bit of banter on the world wide web to wind me up!

 

I don't disagree with your plan or ambition, why not put together a course, and yes why not get paid for your time, after all we are a free market economy. I just truly believe you need to go back to your drawing board and redesign your package and pitch.

 

Training is never a bad thing when done right, and I do believe you might know a thing or two about Solar Panels and cleaning them, but I also truly believe that you don't know a thing about pitching seminars.

I make that last statement as someone who had a two decade career getting paid to give seminars all over the world - window cleaning is my retirement hobby.

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TolishAPurd
The only possible way you could get a shock is if the panel is broken, the glass on the front would have to be compromised, you can see if this is the case by looking at it.

I think you have just given away the bulk of the course. On the powerpoint presentation it would be covered under 'situational awareness' to make it sound fancy.

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Dave B

It is the paying for a NON ACCREDITED bit that gets me

I pay my money to get something unregulated and unaccredited and then don't even own it

If i was corgi gas safe registered i would own it for life and be paying for a recognised qualification which is the difference

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TolishAPurd
It is the paying for a NON ACCREDITED bit that gets me

I pay my money to get something unregulated and unaccredited and then don't even own it

If i was corgi gas safe registered i would own it for life and be paying for a recognised qualification which is the difference

Yep...it would be verified by an external source thereby giving it some credibility.

 

Like was said before, the pitch is what makes it so terrible. If it was just a course/workshop it woulnt be so bad. But its more like an ill thought out franchise.

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Smurf

You would be paying for mostly bullshite me thinks as that is why it's not accredited.

 

dc current can kill - fact

Individual solar panels can't be turned off -fact

carbon poles conduct electricity - fact

pure water when dirty conducts electricity - fact

broken/faulty panels can't be turned off - fact

 

Risks - possible electrocution risk cleaning defective solar panels & contact with faulty wiring.

If you are unlucky enough to get a belt from a panel yer hair will stands on end and you may stop breathing - fact

 

PPE

insulated rubber gloves & boots http://www.cablejoints.co.uk/sub-product-details/insulating-gloves-boots-lv-hv/insulating-rubber-electrical-safety-gloves-high-voltage

 

I could go on but I want you to sign up on my bullshite course...

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Bingo

Phewy :eek:........that took a bit of time to read :specs.........(slurp)....urgh :puke:....yuk!......my coffee's gone cold now :(.....:whistle:.....:D.

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cheapncheerful
Stop being a frank cnc as this is a serious matter regarding the responsibility of contractors employing subcontractors.

 

I am subcontracted to a cleaning company and it is my responsibility to know what I am doing as stated in the statement of facts.

also I have to show I am covered by showing my insurance document every year.

 

if they had solar panels to clean...they may well ask if I know what I am doing as regards cleaning them and do I have a certificate to say I do and have I been on the relevant course.

 

as there are no relevant courses at present steves idea is an option if I WANT the work...also somebody has to be first to start the ball rolling and steve is just the first to comed along..

 

I have no doubt others will follow..

 

it is a free society you can choose what you do with your money and where you go with it..

 

and people are free to offer something if you want to buy it..

 

most important I make the point as sp pointed out he is covered for work on solar panels....ARE YOU?

 

If you break or are accused of breaking a solar panel in one fell swoop your are looking at £500 to replace it....so I post on here not in jest....it is a serious point I make

 

CHECK YOUR INSURANCE COVERS YOU. as I am sure steve will point out some time during the day.

 

I could waffle on for england as you know but some of the points on the course do need to be said and will make you think I am sure.

 

I think you did very well steve against a lot of opposition.:D

 

me likes the point of the forum being here to help and advice offered for free but also some information you will have to pay for if you cant find it elsewhere .

 

I havent been asked to clean solar panels yet and have no real intention to seek that work as I can see it all going wrong if you bring that brush down sideways on the end of a wobbley pole in the wind...:Dand do remember where most panels are...not the easiest position to get too..

 

now what steve should really being offering is franchise..he has the clout as a big established brand name firm and included in that franchise would be the course.

 

and yes ..an accredited certificate would make sense so go get it accredited steve...

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Guest Solar Steve

Morning everyone. It seems that people think the content of the course is a good idea, but the fact that it is not accredited is now the main issue.

 

I have spoken to a number of people within the solar industry about how to make this course work. They have said that some courses run for a period of time without accreditation. The way to get it accredited is with a track record.

 

If I can find a way to get it accredited, I will.

 

Maybe the course isn't perfect yet. Maybe my pitch wasn't perfect. But I do know that lots of you guys are putting yourself at risk. It's a fact I'm afraid.

 

Therefore, my intentions are good. I am trying to raise your awareness of the safety aspects while looking for a way to bring a 'standard' to the industry and provide work for people along the way.

 

Just one more stat. Since January 1st, we have given out prices for the cleaning of 1.2 million solar panels. That's colossal, about 1/3 of all the solar panels in the UK at the moment.

 

To protect myself, I'd like to know that people carrying out this work for us know what they are doing. I can scrap the certificate bit of everyone prefers.

 

It's not about money, it's about safety. But equally, why should I give away this info for free?

 

Also, why train 50 people over the next few years and create 50 competitors for myself? I have to tie in protecting and promoting my brand somewhere along the line.

 

Put forward sensible suggestions about what you think it needs, accreditation aside, and I will look into it.

 

Finally, would it appeal more if I went down a franchise route? I'm willing to look into that too.

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Guest Solar Steve
Well according to you they should be cleaned by a man driving a van with your stickers on it wearing your t-shirt with a certificate from you in his back pocket that isn't an actual accreditation!

 

Did I get that right?

Anyone heard of Smartseal? They run unaccredited training courses all of the time, offering advice about sealing driveways.

 

Guys all over the country come away and promote the Smartseal brand and get jobs as a result of Smartseal's excellent reputation. I being one of them.

 

On my property cleaning vans we carry their logo, we are Smartseal Registered Installers, we use their folders and marketing materials when we quote jobs. Their branding is good, their website is good, their ongoing support is good. All of this leads to customer confidence. As a result, we charge more money and get the bulk of our jobs because we have a certificate of training for customers to see. They NEVER ask who it's been accredited by. They are just happy you have spent money to get yourself trained by the leading company in their field.

 

This non-accredited training course would have the same result, I know it.

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Guest Solar Steve
I am subcontracted to a cleaning company and it is my responsibility to know what I am doing as stated in the statement of facts.

also I have to show I am covered by showing my insurance document every year.

 

if they had solar panels to clean...they may well ask if I know what I am doing as regards cleaning them and do I have a certificate to say I do and have I been on the relevant course.

 

as there are no relevant courses at present steves idea is an option if I WANT the work...also somebody has to be first to start the ball rolling and steve is just the first to comed along..

 

I have no doubt others will follow..

 

it is a free society you can choose what you do with your money and where you go with it..

 

and people are free to offer something if you want to buy it..

 

most important I make the point as sp pointed out he is covered for work on solar panels....ARE YOU?

 

If you break or are accused of breaking a solar panel in one fell swoop your are looking at £500 to replace it....so I post on here not in jest....it is a serious point I make

 

CHECK YOUR INSURANCE COVERS YOU. as I am sure steve will point out some time during the day.

 

I could waffle on for england as you know but some of the points on the course do need to be said and will make you think I am sure.

 

I think you did very well steve against a lot of opposition.:D

 

me likes the point of the forum being here to help and advice offered for free but also some information you will have to pay for if you cant find it elsewhere .

 

I havent been asked to clean solar panels yet and have no real intention to seek that work as I can see it all going wrong if you bring that brush down sideways on the end of a wobbley pole in the wind...:Dand do remember where most panels are...not the easiest position to get too..

 

now what steve should really being offering is franchise..he has the clout as a big established brand name firm and included in that franchise would be the course.

 

and yes ..an accredited certificate would make sense so go get it accredited steve...

Who are you mate? Do I know you? If you are near Telford sometime, ring me and I will buy you dinner and a pint!

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cheapncheerful

yeh but you would sell me your course as well...:D

 

:cheers: good luck though as I can see you know what you are doing...

 

I know a pub in sheffield that does a full roast beef yorkshires mash and peas for £2,50

 

now thats cheapie summed up

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Green Pro Clean Ltd

I think there are three key points you are missing here Steve.

 

1 = Accreditation. - If you are such a big nob in the Solar Panel game in the UK why have you not approached the manufactures and learned their requirements as individual manufactures for cleaning their product and promised to make sure that you teach that their panels only be cleaned in that fashion? Then surely after having learned that specific manufactures requirements and demonstrated competence I would be 'approved / accredited' to clean panels made by them.

 

2 = Branding. If I don't wear your t-shirt or have your stickers on my van and use your marketing materials I can't say I have been trained by you? That's a bit 'taking your toys out of the sand box' as the Americans would say.

 

3 = Subcontractor. If I am subbing for you I do not expect to have to go out and get customers, I expect you to call me up and say 'here's this job, here's that job'

 

What it boils down to Steve is you have come at this with an attitude that says 'give me your money, do as i say, if you can't then f**k you'

 

There is the saying 'Carrot & Stick' (Or salary Vs my size 11 boots as I tell my crew) your pitch seems plenty of stick with very little carrot mate.

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Green Pro Clean Ltd

Now at £2.50 per pop I can make that wort the drive up from Notts! New Staff x-mas bash location!! :P

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cheapncheerful

funny enough green...it was fully booked...we could hardly get a seat at 12am...

 

steve if you want to get round smurfy just say youll go halves and he can run the gutter and driveway cleaning course...:D

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Andy

If im not mistaken im sure iv seen guys working for you in your promo vids dont seem to be wearing rubber gloves or naff all protective. Is it the £238 and the word of god that protects them from certain death or is it that cleaning solar pannels is not such a certain deathly experiance as one would make out.

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Diwrnach

This is a franchise, not a course.

 

If it was a course you wouldn't have to hand back the certificate should I decide not to do all my work on solar panels under your name.

 

As a course I think it would be fine, go and maybe learn something? but its all the other bull that goes along with it, then do as I say when I say, wear what I say, sign print your vehicle as I say and if you don't you lose your certificate and can piss off?

 

Why not just sell this as a franchise?

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Diwrnach
If im not mistaken im sure iv seen guys working for you in your promo vids dont seem to be wearing rubber gloves or naff all protective. Is it the £238 and the word of god that protects them from certain death or is it that cleaning solar pannels is not such a certain deathly experiance as one would make out.

My guess is safety goes something like this....

 

"Look at it, is it broken yes/no?"

"Can the array but turned off yes/no?"

"Have you turn the array off, yes/no?"

 

I could drag that out for about 20 questions, or really just two......

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Dave B

Even if it was a franchise if you have paid to be trained you then own your qualifications

A company i worked for payed for me to get my adr licence and when i left i was still qualified

Is that why it's not accredited as then it isn't real so can be taken away

You can't take an nvq off someone

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Diwrnach

Also has @Smurf pointed out above, just wear some rubber gloves if you are worried, and no not bloody marigolds as Steve suggested? but real anti ark insulated 1000V gloves, they cost around £100.

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Andy

Iv cleaned a few solar pannels,not enough to teach others but iv found the easiest way to test if there faulty or not is to squirt pure water from a carbon pole on them and as you guessed iv not found any faulty ones yet.

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Diwrnach

Use a fibre glass pole instead of a carbon one would also work, unless you have water running down the entire length of the pole and onto your hands.

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Neil

Why try and scare people off doing solar panel cleaning saying it's dangerous lol

 

 

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