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Starting to dread getting the squeegee out...



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Some of you boys must be quick with the wfp as I have houses and I'm trad and next door they be wfp and by the time daveyboy1 has got his wfp set out and on the go I've usually got the fronts done and am finish well b4 him but perhaps he's just slow or I'm the Billy the kid of trad lol ....i think not...

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Clearview Lee

Doesn't bother me in the slightest if I do outsides wfp then Trad on the insides. I don't even think about it.

 

If for some reason they banned wfp, what would we do?? Go back, or look for another job??

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Poles Apart

Refuse to use them, I'd rather turn the job down and move on

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Jake
....here we go again.:rolleyes:

 

Sorry Jake this has already been done to death and I've got a job I've got to be at in 10 mins. Have fun arguing with yourself.

 

I'd long left the house tolish, just having some lunch, trads great, point is those that wfp quickly get fed of it...

 

You wfp? Or not?

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Jake
Doesn't bother me in the slightest if I do outsides wfp then Trad on the insides. I don't even think about it.

 

If for some reason they banned wfp, what would we do?? Go back, or look for another job??

 

Lol, were talking outsides lee, of course insides is great for trad, in fact I've just literally done the insides of big house trad, and that's great,

 

But outsides - it's just tedious when your wfp...

 

 

It's these little windows that take atkeast twice as long trad, I flew round the outside with wfp, with trad it would have taken... Till tomorrow night :p

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Jake
Refuse to use them, I'd rather turn the job down and move on

 

Refuse trad?

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Clearview Lee

I do have a couple I trad outsides, and it really depends how I'm feeling at that specific time. Sometimes I'm actually fine with it, and puts a smile on my face with memories of the old days, and my mate who refuses to switch over, but when I ain't in the mood, it can be torture, yeah. lol

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Dave B
Some of you boys must be quick with the wfp as I have houses and I'm trad and next door they be wfp and by the time daveyboy1 has got his wfp set out and on the go I've usually got the fronts done and am finish well b4 him but perhaps he's just slow or I'm the Billy the kid of trad lol ....i think not...

It takes me the same time to set up my wfp as it does to get my ladders off

That's the good thing with my little trolley

Open boot..grab it..take clip off hose..extend pole and I'm working

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Jake

If you get a van in the future it'll be even faster Dave, then you'll really not want to trad bottoms, as you'll be carrying loads of water so won't really have a reason...

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Green Pro Clean Ltd

I have Benny back on crew part time at present and he is a massive lover of trad to the point where he can wax romantically about it for half the day.

 

We are growing the round again and Benny wants me to add in a 'Trad' option and says he will do those.

 

That's a well and good but he also says he is only back for 12-18 months as he has plans of his own for down the road.

 

What do I do then as I am strictly in the WFP camp? I already have a process where if a WFP house is £20 and they want trad then it's £30 as I know my system works as well as my squeegee and it is just the customer wanting to live in the dark ages. But when Ben does go, should I have built a 'Trad division' what then? Do I up them all 50% or just say 'Sorry luv, WFP or walk on'

 

Oh the conundrums of the modern Window Cleaner :rolleyes:

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Posh

Why is trad called the dark ages.

There's thousands that still do it & enjoy doing it. Myself included.

Why do I get a good percentage of my jobs off wfp windies.

 

Still I like doing both & always will.

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TolishAPurd
I'd long left the house tolish, just having some lunch, trads great, point is those that wfp quickly get fed of it...

 

You wfp? Or not?

 

I'm totally trad at the moment, and very proud of it. Every time these threads come about I end up being accused of being anti WFP, when I am actually very pro WFP. I'll possibly be investing in a few years time, but it just doesn't fit my business plan at the moment. I'm well aware of both methods shortcomings, the key is maximising the benefits of each method and using them to your advantage, which I do well.

 

I have Benny back on crew part time at present and he is a massive lover of trad to the point where he can wax romantically about it for half the day.

 

We are growing the round again and Benny wants me to add in a 'Trad' option and says he will do those.

 

That's a well and good but he also says he is only back for 12-18 months as he has plans of his own for down the road.

 

What do I do then as I am strictly in the WFP camp? I already have a process where if a WFP house is £20 and they want trad then it's £30 as I know my system works as well as my squeegee and it is just the customer wanting to live in the dark ages. But when Ben does go, should I have built a 'Trad division' what then? Do I up them all 50% or just say 'Sorry luv, WFP or walk on'

 

Oh the conundrums of the modern Window Cleaner :rolleyes:

 

If I were you Green I would let him have his play. If hes good, which I imagine he is if he enjoys it so much, then he will only bring more to your business. If/when he decides to leave you can make them switch to WFP, and anyone that wants to leave will leave. There are many people that won't care one bit, so long as they are clean, and you are pleasant every time you see them. Nought to lose really.

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Jake

When you say it doesn't fit your business plan @TolishAPurd , why's that? Out of interest?

 

I'm not anti trad, I used to stick up for trad when I was 100% trad,

 

But now I'm wfp, I can judge both, and I really really am glad I went wfp, miles better for business...

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TolishAPurd
When you say it doesn't fit your business plan @TolishAPurd , why's that? Out of interest?

 

I'm not anti trad, I used to stick up for trad when I was 100% trad,

 

But now I'm wfp, I can judge both, and I really really am glad I went wfp, miles better for business...

I'm in a house which I'm not sure how long I'll be here, so I don't want to plumb a system in to have to rip it out.

I'm a handyman, and as such I need to carry a lot of tools and materials in the back of my van, so I haven't got space for a big tank, and I like my van too much to swap it out.

If/when I do go WFP I will have a big setup both in the home and in the van, so whatever I build aint moving when the time comes. I don't fk about when it comes to tools. :D

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Dave B

In all fairness if it wasn't for @TolishAPurd i would still be trad

We had a chat and it was him that made me make the leap when i was umming and aahing about it and using pole and wagtail

But i agree with him about the :turd: people say to defend wfp and never try trad as it "is not as good" apparently

I wholeheartedly back trad and done correctly it leaves a perfect finish just like wfp done correctly

I have taken customers from bad tradders and bad stick wagglers as both are poor done incorrectly and both excellent done properly

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Green Pro Clean Ltd
But now I'm wfp, I can judge both, and I really really am glad I went wfp, miles better for business.

 

Absolutely, it is tangible just how many people approach you when using WFP as you 'look modern and professional'

Makes no sense as the result is the same but there you go, they have to have the latest window cleaner with the best gadgets. 'Oooohh is that an iphone 12 I see?' mentality.

 

so I don't want to plumb a system in to have to rip it out

It's a filter on top of a water tank connected to a tap.

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Green Pro Clean Ltd
the :turd: people say to defend wfp and never try trad as it "is not as good" apparently

 

All industries have their Muppets Davey we all know that, just look at kids TV.....Kermit...Miss Piggy....Big Bird....Sweedish Chef...... Almost as many muppets in their industry as ours!!

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TolishAPurd
Absolutely, it is tangible just how many people approach you when using WFP as you 'look modern and professional'

Makes no sense as the result is the same but there you go, they have to have the latest window cleaner with the best gadgets. 'Oooohh is that an iphone 12 I see?' mentality.

 

Exactly, its a benefit of WFP, and can be used to get some very nice modern style properties on that mentality alone.

 

 

It's a filter on top of a water tank connected to a tap.

Not for me its not. Its a concrete base, with a large shed, that will be shared with a heated and insulated weights gym, with full plumbing and a cascade style rain water collecting system outside.:D

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Dave B

I did 2 houses last thing today..2 5 bed detached houses with extensions etc..absolutely huge..parents in 1 house kids (well older than me lol) next door

New jobs and worth a few quid to me

Did 1 and a half wfp and then was running out of pure so tradded the rest and you wouldn't see any difference to look at it and didn't take any longer really to do the last bit..the last bit was more fun though after a day of fsg wfp jobs

Maybe the frames weren't quite up to the standard of the wfp ones but i reckon it's only us guys who would notice not the custy

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TolishAPurd
In all fairness if it wasn't for @TolishAPurd i would still be trad

We had a chat and it was him that made me make the leap when i was umming and aahing about it and using pole and wagtail

But i agree with him about the :turd: people say to defend wfp and never try trad as it "is not as good" apparently

I wholeheartedly back trad and done correctly it leaves a perfect finish just like wfp done correctly

I have taken customers from bad tradders and bad stick wagglers as both are poor done incorrectly and both excellent done properly

A lot of the people that complain about trad are the ones that never really 'got it' in the first place. 'Doing trad' isnt the same as 'getting it'. For me it borders on an art form. Just like greens employee I can bang on about it for hours and am passionate in how I do it. Anyone that doesnt enjoy it will never truly grasp it IMO. That said, it doesnt have as high an earning potential as WFP- a downside that I am well aware of, but it doesnt mean its not a good earner, just not as good.

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Jake

Over 20 houses, I reckon you'd see more lines and soap residue than spotting on wfp, but most wouldn't notice it, but when the sun is low, suddenly you notice all the lines... Doesn't matter how good you are, sometimes the rubber just leaves fine lines

 

One thing i know for sure, is a lot of customers said how clean and sparkling the windows were when I went wfp,

 

For me, after neatly 2 years wfp, I'm just really struggling to enjoy trad now, and I swore I'd be Hybrid forever, now I'm just more inclined to get the pole out and spray it about! Never thought that would happen!

 

I'll be interested to see what your opinion is after 2 years wfp @daveyboy1 , especially if you get a van system... As I was exactly the same when first went wfp, but after two years, it no longer makes sense to trad, unless I have too...

 

There are some customers that don't like wfp that I will always trad, for good prices, but from now on its wfp unless it's worth it to trad

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Jake
A lot of the people that complain about trad are the ones that never really 'got it' in the first place. 'Doing trad' isnt the same as 'getting it'. For me it borders on an art form. Just like greens employee I can bang on about it for hours and am passionate in how I do it. Anyone that doesnt enjoy it will never truly grasp it IMO. That said, it doesnt have as high an earning potential as WFP- a downside that I am well aware of, but it doesnt mean its not a good earner, just not as good.

 

 

That's exactly the sort of thing I said beifre going wfp, that's my point, until you try, it doesn't fully dawn on you...

 

I was even worse Tolish, i absolutely slagged off wfp years ago! That's how passionate I was about trad,

 

But I was wrong - really wrong lol

 

Atkeast you don't hate wfp, and that's good that you speak positively about it,

 

All im saying is that I can no longer pretend I enjoy trad... It's just so much easier to wfp...

 

Wfp has owned me lol

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Posh

And I get a lot of customers say how clean & sparkling there windows are when I've tradded them so it works both ways. Trads given me a good living & yeah wfp would be quicker I agree but I'm in no rush & priced right you get a good living trad.

 

Guttering & facia cleanings also a good earner lol.

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Jake

You'd get a lot more if you wfp'd :P

 

Anyway, point is, I no longer enjoy trad, don't get all upset you tradders!

 

Go and detail ya lines :rofl:

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