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Well to be technical Chris, There's windys on here and that I know in person that have never canvassed or advertised, just bought work and word of mouth.

 

I'm not saying that's good business sense, but It's certainly not as non negotiable as having equipment or obeying the law. I certainly don't factor in my advertising "costs" when deciding if commercial or domestic is the most profitable way to go. I..E. Oh my £20 in leaflets I spent is 50p a week in costs, so 10p a day, I better take that out of my earnings and decide if I should go commercial or stay doing domestic (after all that's what I was discussing when I got involved in this thread).

 

Anyway that's neither here nor there.

 

Bottom line is we are in a pretty low maintenance business, we don't have to buy pipes and tiles and wood and plasterboard for every job we take on, we just get some more pure water Haha! It's a simple business that can be very very profitable.

 

 

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Chris33

Advertising wasn't highlighted above as the only outgoing we have, there were various..and they add up.

 

I do like your positive outlook though, how your not a millionaire already I do not know!

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There's plenty specialist tools we need,I was doing a Conny roof today and realised I infact defo need Conny roof ladders if they are to be done right..these ladders ain't cheap.

 

Wfp set ups are reasonably cheap but can also run in to the 1000s. Poles can run into that figure and don't last forever. Trad tools need replaced.

 

Builders may buy tiles but that's incorporated into cost of job,customers pay for tiles essentially. We don't send the 30ft pole bill to the customers.

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That's not what I was getting at Chris! Apologies if I have caused annoyance. I was pointing out how simple this business is compared to others and the room for large profit margins.

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adamangler
I'd have a vehicle, business or no business. Advertising isn't necessary to run a business.

 

 

As a one man band if you are turning over £300 a day, I don't care what the expenses are, at rough £5/6k a month, that is a good business model, with relatively very low running costs as opposed to builders, shops etc. Get enough work to take on 10 workers and you're turning over round the million.

 

Haha obviously not that simple word for word

 

At 300 a day working a 5 day week each employee would turn over about 70k. Of you factored in sick days and bad weather that might be down to about 65k.

 

If you then factored in that no employee is going to bust his balls to turn over 300 quid a day. You'd be lucky to get 200 day our of them that's about 40k each. So 25 employees needed plus at least another 2-3 in the office for reception, customers service, marketting etc.

 

Let's assume each employee earns 20k x 28 that's half of your million gone . So where down to about 500k. You also have 25 vans to insure purchase and maintain not to mention all the vat and tax and the unit and god knows what else. Suddenly your million is getting a lot smaller

 

Not that it's not do able but it's a he'll of a lot of work

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peter rogers

TOTALLY DIFFERENT in going big scale but u r right in saying it can be obtained

u need to stick at it and re invest time and time again untill u get to where you want to be

 

1 get a good accountant

 

2 factor in vat from the word go.. then when u do need to charge your customers that u have already its not a big hit

 

3 dont waste money on getting the latest equipment .. get the last inch outta everything u use as it all adds up

 

4 take the good with the bad.. this means doing the work others would turn down due to access and location .. make it work as evewry customer add up

 

then uel be sucking eggs ;-)

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Agreed. And Adam, you wouldn't pay your employees 20k. not for scrubbing windows anyway. If they only wanna turn over 200 a day, they'll leave with £60.

 

Business is business.

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peter rogers

lol who u going get work for 60 going out in a van mate .. get real 20000 a year be cheap as its only 76 a day lol

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Dave B

If you want someone to do 300 a day you need to be paying them 100 or they just won't do it

It's all well and good having the ideas but i have been on both ends of the employment side of things and have subcontracted work out and subbed work for myself also

If i subbed work off you and you said give me 20% the rest is yours i would crack out 300 notes in a day and give you £60

If you said to an employee hit 300 and I'll give you 100 they will do it (or think sod this I'll build my own round and have all the money)

If you said I'm gonna pay you 60 quid a day they would say no chance am i doing 300 quid of work then

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Dave B
Agreed. And Adam, you wouldn't pay your employees 20k. not for scrubbing windows anyway. If they only wanna turn over 200 a day, they'll leave with £60.

 

Business is business.

If £200 a day is worth £60 for them then you must value £100 earnt =£30 for an employee

£300 must be worth £90 for them then which is £23,400 pa including their paid holidays

That is a fair wage i think

Don't forget then you need to pay pension contributions

Holiday

Employee insurance

Insurance on their van

Tools and maintenance

Uniform

And others

An employee would have to earn you £30k a year for you to break even if you go down the legal route rather than get caught out by the nice hmrc guys

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adamangler
Agreed. And Adam, you wouldn't pay your employees 20k. not for scrubbing windows anyway. If they only wanna turn over 200 a day, they'll leave with £60.

 

Business is business.

 

I suppose it depends on your prices how much you expect them to turnover a day.

I work not far from you and even with decent prices as a 1 man band I would find 300 a day to be very hard to hit. The only way I could do it would be ultra compact work and working say 8-5 flat out with no breaks busting a gut. Even 200 a day is no mean feat I've only hit that a could of times.

 

As an employee there's no way you can expect the same gut busting performance. I would say 200 a day was a very good return. When you factor in they have about 28 days a year hols plus any sick days, equipment breakdowns or rain delays that grand a week would probably average out at 800.

 

All I'm saying is there's a lot more overhead than you think.

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I suppose it depends on your prices how much you expect them to turnover a day.

I work not far from you and even with decent prices as a 1 man band I would find 300 a day to be very hard to hit. The only way I could do it would be ultra compact work and working say 8-5 flat out with no breaks busting a gut. Even 200 a day is no mean feat I've only hit that a could of times.

 

As an employee there's no way you can expect the same gut busting performance. I would say 200 a day was a very good return. When you factor in they have about 28 days a year hols plus any sick days, equipment breakdowns or rain delays that grand a week would probably average out at 800.

 

All I'm saying is there's a lot more overhead than you think.

 

Of course pricing has a lot to do with it, you're right. I currently price at £1/£1.50 a minute, I.e. £60-£90 an hour, at that rate it's not too difficult to turnover £300 a day. Obviously travel brings it down a bit, but still, you know what I mean.

 

The key to any business is sufficient profit margins, which are gained by giving a high quality, professional, consistent, and accommodating business. Then you don't have to lose sleep over what you're paying employees.

 

How do you think these big companies do it, where you see their employees dossing about or doing bare minimum on the job, yet the company still grows and turns a profit? Because they charge so much, that even at bare minimum work from their workers, they still make money!

 

That's one of the secrets in my eyes.

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Dave B

But the big companies have loads of workers so small profit margins add up to a good profit

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Leeds
I must be pricing wrong £60-£90 an hour in Leeds is that domestic or commercial

 

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90% domestic mate. I'm West leeds by the way.

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adamangler

£60-£90 per hour in leeds is very good money. I would have thought the only place for that to be possible would be north leeds shadwell alwoodley bramhope and harrogate/York way.

 

Where abouts in West leeds ? Surely you mean north west? Ilkley way? If you're getting those prices in bramley armley etc well done indeed.

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HALTON

you cannot get 60 - 90 an hour in shadwell i know i work it

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adamangler
you cannot get 60 - 90 an hour in shadwell i know i work it

 

To be honest I wouldn't have thought you would get that anywhere in leeds or indeed the country? I think it's possible having the cream of the cream jobs but on a large scale I have my doubts.

 

Point being shadwell/north leeds is a lot more affluent than most areas of Leeds.

 

But if meridion says he gets 60-90 an hour in leeds on the glass I'm not going to call him a liar I am interested where abouts though.

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Good money that don't know how you get it west Leeds you mean armly wortley ?

 

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We cover most of Leeds really. But mostly pudsey, Kirkstall, headingley, Horsforth, Bramley, Wortley, Armley. Some over your way.

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peter rogers

hes building an empire.. his deathstar going wipe u all out muh haha hah a

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