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D.I.Y Electric hose reel conversion for less than £50



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adamangler

If any of you lads frequent a different forum you may have come across this.....

 

If not well then seems you can convert your hose to an electric one for not very much at all, very similar to the power up one and save yourself £200.

 

Just ordered my bits for about £35 quid

 

All you need is similar items to the below, a bit of d.i.y handiness, some simple wiring and away you go

 

24V Electric Motor Brushed 250W 2750RPM 2-Wired Chain For E Scooter Drive 14A UK | eBay

 

Electric E Scooter Bike Chain Wheel Rim Drive Sprocket 6mm 25H 80T 80 Tooth Cog | eBay

 

6mm 25H Gold, Steel DRIVE CHAIN Any Links Split Mini Moto Midi Quad Racing Bike | eBay

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spruce
What hose reel do you need? And can you have a wired remote?

 

 

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Someone on YouTube has fitted one to a plastic Claber hose reel.

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The hose reel they are using is a petal leaf one.

 

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3ZeWSpBWKo[/media]

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spruce

I'm not sure how seriously you can take this guy as he then puts up a couple of rather 'silly' videos.

 

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjZcwtzGTjs[/media]

 

His attempt at cleaning quickly just doesn't look professional and he caps that off by cleaning just the window of the back door but not the whole door.

 

Looking from about 7.15 on wards you see a rather botched display of the reel winding in the hose which isn't working very well.

 

Its kind of put me off thinking about this tbh.

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adamangler

Yes guys this is very much trial an error with regards reels, remotes and what bits to buy etc.

 

I've ordered the above and will just make it up as I go along.

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kevinc250

with regards to a remote for the reel lads think about the one shot

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best
If any of you lads frequent a different forum you may have come across this.....

 

If not well then seems you can convert your hose to an electric one for not very much at all, very similar to the power up one and save yourself £200.

 

Just ordered my bits for about £35 quid

 

All you need is similar items to the below, a bit of d.i.y handiness, some simple wiring and away you go

 

24V Electric Motor Brushed 250W 2750RPM 2-Wired Chain For E Scooter Drive 14A UK | eBay

 

Electric E Scooter Bike Chain Wheel Rim Drive Sprocket 6mm 25H 80T 80 Tooth Cog | eBay

 

6mm 25H Gold, Steel DRIVE CHAIN Any Links Split Mini Moto Midi Quad Racing Bike | eBay

Are you going to use a 24v battery as it is a 24v motor?

 

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spruce
Are you going to use a 24v battery as it is a 24v motor?

 

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They are using it with 12v. It slows the motor down a bit. I would also imagine that it reduces the torque output of the motor which I see as a downside.

The one video I linked to showed the problems he had when the hose wasn't being wound in from straight behind.

 

Someone with more energy than I have could try and adapt a small vehicle starter motor with a small free wheeling gear so the hose can be pulled out easier.

 

What about a motor cycle starter motor?

 

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They are using it with 12v. It slows the motor down a bit. I would also imagine that it reduces the torque output of the motor which I see as a downside.

The one video I linked to showed the problems he had when the hose wasn't being wound in from straight behind.

 

Someone with more energy than I have could try and adapt a small vehicle starter motor with a small free wheeling gear so the hose can be pulled out easier.

 

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Does the motor free wheel backwards for unwinding or is that motorised

 

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spruce
Does the motor free wheel backwards for unwinding or is that motorised

 

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No it doesn't. It will cause a little resistance when pulling the hose out. It can be motorised but I doubt you will walk fast enough and the hose will tangle up and get damaged. The other issue is that you would have to operate it on remote.

 

TBH this in its current form has too many downsides.

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best
No it doesn't. It will cause a little resistance when pulling the hose out. It can be motorised but I doubt you will walk fast enough and the hose will tangle up and get damaged. The other issue is that you would have to operate it on remote.

 

TBH this in its current form has too many downsides.

I agree, but a very interesting prospect with a reasonable price tag.

They are using it with 12v. It slows the motor down a bit. I would also imagine that it reduces the torque output of the motor which I see as a downside.

The one video I linked to showed the problems he had when the hose wasn't being wound in from straight behind.

 

Someone with more energy than I have could try and adapt a small vehicle starter motor with a small free wheeling gear so the hose can be pulled out easier.

 

What about a motor cycle starter motor?

 

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Nudel

Wow.. I don't want to step on that hose when it reels in. There is way, way too much torque in my opinion.

 

I've done drawings for a motorised reel for a while, but I am hitting a wall when it comes to the freewheeling. Either it needs a clutch or a manual switch to disengage the drive mechanism.

 

Since I want it as compact as possible I am looking at using one of these. But I don't think it freewheels due to the gear box, and the RPM might be too low. Still, I want a motor to save space in the car, and to avoid hunching over the boot to reel in the hose all day.

 

There is also the option of using a nema 17 or 23 stepper motor, they are incredible powerful and easy to dial in to the proper torque needed. But they do need a stepper motor driver and that adds to the complexity.

 

I'll probably end up using a closed loop GT2 type timing belt, and 3D printed pulleys that fit my claber metal reel. It has some very nice grooves at the end where you attach the handle.

 

For a remote, you can't go wrong with this type. I would program it to run the motor only when you hold the button down. But since you don't need the range, this one is a bit cheaper, though I haven't tried that type (yet).

 

What about a motor cycle starter motor?.

Interesting suggestion, any reason why you would think that is a good choice?

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CHWS

About time someone made there own , hose reels are ridiculously priced, when my power up came all it was is a motor chain and bracket !!

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Andy

Electric winds are OK can't see them being much good If the hose is right round the house. And I think he as been reading certain threads on same site as the reel idear came from 5 house's an hour for 6 to 7 hour's neither of those houses were cleaned properly.

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CHWS
Electric winds are OK can't see them being much good If the hose is right round the house. And I think he as been reading certain threads on same site as the reel idear came from 5 house's an hour for 6 to 7 hour's neither of those houses were cleaned properly.

I've found that anymore than 1 corner and it doesn't reel it back

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adamangler

Im sure it wont be perfect but theres only one way to find out buy the bits and have a mess about and come up with something.

 

something to do at christmas

 

As for not having the torque to reel in round corners perhaps not i dont know but i never reel in like that anyway, i gather the hose to the van then reel in.

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adamangler
Electric winds are OK can't see them being much good If the hose is right round the house. And I think he as been reading certain threads on same site as the reel idear came from 5 house's an hour for 6 to 7 hour's neither of those houses were cleaned properly.

 

Ive read that rubbish on there but what has cleaning 5 houses an hour got to do with making a hose reel?

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Andy

It has nothing to do with making a hose. Trying to clean 3 houses in about 10 mins which is what he was trying to do in the vid at the beginning of the thread is what I was commenting on in response to what spruce was saying about him not cleaning the door properly.

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spruce
Wow.. I don't want to step on that hose when it reels in. There is way, way too much torque in my opinion.

 

I've done drawings for a motorised reel for a while, but I am hitting a wall when it comes to the freewheeling. Either it needs a clutch or a manual switch to disengage the drive mechanism.

 

Since I want it as compact as possible I am looking at using one of these. But I don't think it freewheels due to the gear box, and the RPM might be too low. Still, I want a motor to save space in the car, and to avoid hunching over the boot to reel in the hose all day.

 

There is also the option of using a nema 17 or 23 stepper motor, they are incredible powerful and easy to dial in to the proper torque needed. But they do need a stepper motor driver and that adds to the complexity.

 

I'll probably end up using a closed loop GT2 type timing belt, and 3D printed pulleys that fit my claber metal reel. It has some very nice grooves at the end where you attach the handle.

 

For a remote, you can't go wrong with this type. I would program it to run the motor only when you hold the button down. But since you don't need the range, this one is a bit cheaper, though I haven't tried that type (yet).

 

 

Interesting suggestion, any reason why you would think that is a good choice?

 

I was looking for something that is geared and was hoping it had a clutch mechanism built in. (I don't know anything about motor bike starters but they are fixed so there must be some idler/bendex in the drive chain.

 

Here is one from a Suzuki Quad bike

New Starter Motor to fit Suzuki LT80 All years and models | eBay

 

Free wheeling! It reminds me of a washing machine. The drum and the motor are 'linked' with a belt. If you rotate the drum you spin the motor. There isn't that much resistance.

 

There is always the freewheeling bicycle sprocket/cog but it has too many teeth.

Quality Single Speed Freewheel BMX Bike Bicycle Sprocket 18T Cog 1/8" | eBay

 

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peter rogers

With the money made in window cleaning. 500 -1000 pound is nothing on a reel

 

I'm not fussed as I do mainly houses And one person on ftont one on back

 

If I was using full reel if hose all day every day is invest in the reels @Damo does.

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Damo

Over Christmas I am working on a new reel design which should finally be the ultimate electric hose reel for window cleaning. ;)

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adamangler

@spruce

 

18 teeth isn't nessacarily too many teeth.

It would be easier for the motor to spin requiring less torque but more rpm.

 

Also if you used a small cog on the reel to compensate it wouldn't make a difference as long as the ratios are the same.

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Green Pro Clean Ltd
Electric winds are OK can't see them being much good If the hose is right round the house. And I think he as been reading certain threads on same site as the reel idear came from 5 house's an hour for 6 to 7 hour's neither of those houses were cleaned properly.

 

I have a power up hd and it pulls 6mm round any house no issue.

 

I've found that anymore than 1 corner and it doesn't reel it back

 

Just exercise caution with diy ideas. I seen a bench grinder used on one that had the torque to rip your fingers off.

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