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Hi all, I was making some more pure water today and before I put the hose into the water butt I got a tds meter reading of 14ppm which I was shocked at.

 

I took the di vessel out and got a reading of everything separately

 

Water from tap = 320ppm

 

Water after going through RO UNIT =45ppm

 

After including di with resin = 14ppm

 

My thinking was that the ro is working well so I gave the di with resin a shake and after I did that I got a reading of 6ppm

 

I then took that cartridge out and placed a new cartridge with resin in that vessel and I am once again getting 0ppm.

 

Question is, is that how quickly resin stops being efficient? I had produced maybe 1000litres of water before this point?

 

Seems like it stopped bringing the water down to 0ppm really quickly?!

 

The pictures below are of the di which only made the water 14ppm and 6ppm after a shake.....is it just a case of buying resin and then emptying out that old resin and refilling again?[ATTACH=full]14359[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]14360[/ATTACH]

 

 

That to me looks like an RO housing and not a DI vessel.

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It's from pure freedom Tuffers

 

That to me looks like an RO housing and not a DI vessel.

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It's from pure freedom Tuffers

 

Never seen one of those before :confused:

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Iron Giant

When I got my first ro from PF it had 2 pre-filters and a resin cartridge that's how they build theirs.

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Dennis Roberts
Hi all,

 

 

I am new to window cleaning and WFP systems but have been lurking for the last month or so and have been able to acquire a wealth of knowledge using the search function etc so thank you very much to all who post on here!

 

 

I am a wholetime fire fighter who is looking to venture into WFP window cleaning and create a round based on my time away from my main employment. I have been canvassing for the last week or so and have managed to secure enough business to justify spending a lot of money on all of the necessary equipment.

 

 

I intend on using this thread to detail my progress as i go along and also to ask you all questions whenever i am unsure of the best way forward.

 

 

My first question is based on water purification. I have tested my water using a TDS meter and the reading was 250ppm which if I’m understanding things correctly, means that i will need to invest in a RO system to bring that number down and then use DI resin in order to bring that number down even further to 000ppm.

 

 

 

I am looking to buy this purification system from pure freedom but am not quite sure if contains everything that I will need.

 

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I can see that it has the ro system but what about the di needed to get the water down to 000ppm? Underneath where it says “add on options” it says “10" DI Housing c/w Resin and Bracket +£27.35” is this what I need to tick? Or is di and resin completely different?

 

Thank you for your help

 

 

ace3

All you need is a tank apump a battery a switch a bag of resin and di vessel to put resin in then you will get a 000 reading

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Hi all, I was making some more pure water today and before I put the hose into the water butt I got a tds meter reading of 14ppm which I was shocked at.

 

I took the di vessel out and got a reading of everything separately

 

Water from tap = 320ppm

 

Water after going through RO UNIT =45ppm

 

After including di with resin = 14ppm

 

My thinking was that the ro is working well so I gave the di with resin a shake and after I did that I got a reading of 6ppm

 

I then took that cartridge out and placed a new cartridge with resin in that vessel and I am once again getting 0ppm.

 

Question is, is that how quickly resin stops being efficient? I had produced maybe 1000litres of water before this point?

 

Seems like it stopped bringing the water down to 0ppm really quickly?!

 

The pictures below are of the di which only made the water 14ppm and 6ppm after a shake.....is it just a case of buying resin and then emptying out that old resin and refilling again?[ATTACH=full]14359[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]14360[/ATTACH]

 

 

Water from tap = 320ppm

 

Water after going through RO UNIT =45ppm

 

There is something wrong with your r/o. Your membranes should be removing between 97 and 99% of those total dissolved solids. Expressed another way, the tds if the pure leaving the r/o should be around 9 or 10. At 45ppm your are going to be using much more resin removing the 35ppm your membranes should be removing.

 

Even if you were using a larger di vessel, you will still be wasting money on resin.

 

What r/o have you got?

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Water from tap = 320ppm

 

Water after going through RO UNIT =45ppm

 

There is something wrong with your r/o. Your membranes should be removing between 97 and 99% of those total dissolved solids. Expressed another way, the tds of the pure leaving the r/o should be around 9 or 10. At 45ppm your are going to be using much more resin removing the 35ppm your membranes should be removing.

 

Even if you were using a larger di vessel, you will still be wasting money on resin.

 

What r/o have you got?

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OK. Judging by the di cartridge you have one of those RoMan type r/os. Your membranes should be removing between 97 and 99% of the dissolved solids in your water.

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OK. Judging by the di cartridge you have one of those RoMan type r/os. Your membranes should be removing between 97 and 99% of the dissolved solids in your water.

 

Hi spruce, user error, it should read 320 in 25 out but yes as you've said it's still not an acceptable rejection rate.

 

I've tried flushing for an hour and it's made no difference, perhaps I need to keep adjusting the flow gauge and see if that improves the numbers?

 

I'm also not convinced that I'm getting a great pressure from the tap either

 

Thanks for any help

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IMG_2828.jpg.3fa25c3497a63c31b5aa01af45acf5ba.jpg Hi all,

 

 

I was completing all of the houses I had canvassed and very last job a guy came out and asked if I could do his windows also....I told him the price was £30 and he was happy but then asked if I could do all of the soffits and fascias.....I said yeah and that I would txt him a price for the whole job.

 

I've never attempted soffits and fascia cleaning, bearing in mind I don't use ladders, can I still do it from the ground with wfp?

 

I've taken a google maps picture of the house, if it's doable would you guys mind helping me price it up please?

 

Thanks for any help

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[ATTACH=full]14566[/ATTACH] Hi all,

 

 

I was completing all of the houses I had canvassed and very last job a guy came out and asked if I could do his windows also....I told him the price was £30 and he was happy but then asked if I could do all of the soffits and fascias.....I said yeah and that I would txt him a price for the whole job.

 

I've never attempted soffits and fascia cleaning, bearing in mind I don't use ladders, can I still do it from the ground with wfp?

 

I've taken a google maps picture of the house, if it's doable would you guys mind helping me price it up please?

 

Thanks for any help

 

I think you will find cleaning the apex soffitts over the garage a challenge thb. I would have to look at working from an A frame step ladder.

If you get the £30.00 for window cleaning (wow if we could only get those prices in the north east) then you would probably try for £60.00 for gutter and soffitt cleaning, so £90 all in. Watch out as he may think that clearing the gutters is included so you need to be very specific about what you will and won't do.

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I think you will find cleaning the apex soffitts over the garage a challenge thb. I would have to look at working from an A frame step ladder.

If you get the £30.00 for window cleaning (wow if we could only get those prices in the north east) then you would probably try for £60.00 for gutter and soffitt cleaning, so £90 all in. Watch out as he may think that clearing the gutters is included so you need to be very specific about what you will and won't do.

 

Thanks spruce, don't suppose you'd know much about using degreaser at all? I've used it on upvc and it works great but a few houses I do have white painted wooden frames and I'm wondering if I'd be able to do the same with the degreaser as I do on upvc?

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spruce

We have UBIK on the van but haven't used it for ages.

 

If the soffitts are black usually a squirt of CIF cream cleaner on the brush is all that is needed.

 

I once used TFR and that dried on the conservatory leaving stains which took hours to remove. I tend to be cautious these days.

 

Even black algae under the gutters comes off pretty easily when you prespray it with pure water and leave it to soak for a few minutes.

 

Those plastic blocks above the windows will take a bit longer to do as they do make nice spider residences.

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ace3

Hi all,

 

things have been going really well. I am about to start my 2nd cycle of cleans which I'm looking forward to as they are all maintenance cleans which I'm hoping will be much quicker.

 

I haven't managed to canvass the bigger houses yet and that's mainly down to the fact that I feel a little bit embarrassed of my set up.

 

I still haven't sorted out my boot and my workaround is using a long piece of wood to keep the boot up whilst I get my trolley out....it works, but to others must make me look like a total cowboy!

 

i am currently looking at vans and my plan  is to sell my car and just have a van.

 

does anyone have any recommendations about vans? 

 

I needed a new car anyway so I was thInking of spending about £8k and getting a nice low mileage van which has air con Bluetooth etc as I will need it for window cleaning and my main employment which includes motorway driving.

 

i have been looking at berlingos/partners and am not sure about whether to focus on a 625kg or a 850kg payload.

 

i am also looking at x line systems and am confused as to whether or not I should get a 350litre system or 500litre system.

 

if I went for a 625kg berlingo for example I would be able to get a lower mileage vehicle for my £8k budget and it would probably be a higher spec than a 850model but then I don't know if it would be possible to have a 500litre x line system installed as payload wise it would be very tight.

 

 

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@ace3 I been looking at the 100bhp partner professional sat nav. 16 plate in your price range if shop about and real world 50 plus mpg

 

I got a big van now and get 23mpg so thinking of going back to a partner. They got an 850 payload and so will carry 450 tank maybe 500.

 

The higher bhp models are better mpg generally with them.

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5 minutes ago, Chris33 said:

@ace3 I been looking at the 100bhp partner professional sat nav. 16 plate in your price range if shop about and real world 50 plus mpg

 

I got a big van now and get 23mpg so thinking of going back to a partner. They got an 850 payload and so will carry 450 tank maybe 500.

 

The higher bhp models are better mpg generally with them.

 

 

Hey mate cheers for the help, I've just been looking at auto trader, are there any other places that you'd recommend? 

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Spartan
6 hours ago, Chris33 said:

I have always went via ebay mate. Lot of ebay listings are garages mind.

Sent using the Window Cleaning Forums mobile app
 

 

Same here Chris33, I've used eBay on my last 2 vehicles.

Under the seller you can tick the box 'private seller' so it filters out the garages, that way you're more likely to get a bargain.

 

Ace3, you won't get a 500 tank in a 625 payload - you'll be well over.

Just about get it in the 850kg so go for that one.

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Hi all,
 
things have been going really well. I am about to start my 2nd cycle of cleans which I'm looking forward to as they are all maintenance cleans which I'm hoping will be much quicker.
 
I haven't managed to canvass the bigger houses yet and that's mainly down to the fact that I feel a little bit embarrassed of my set up.
 
I still haven't sorted out my boot and my workaround is using a long piece of wood to keep the boot up whilst I get my trolley out....it works, but to others must make me look like a total cowboy!
 
i am currently looking at vans and my plan  is to sell my car and just have a van.
 
does anyone have any recommendations about vans? 
 
I needed a new car anyway so I was thInking of spending about £8k and getting a nice low mileage van which has air con Bluetooth etc as I will need it for window cleaning and my main employment which includes motorway driving.
 
i have been looking at berlingos/partners and am not sure about whether to focus on a 625kg or a 850kg payload.
 
i am also looking at x line systems and am confused as to whether or not I should get a 350litre system or 500litre system.
 
if I went for a 625kg berlingo for example I would be able to get a lower mileage vehicle for my £8k budget and it would probably be a higher spec than a 850model but then I don't know if it would be possible to have a 500litre x line system installed as payload wise it would be very tight.
 
 

At the start of the year I bought a 3year old 850kg Partner,

It cost £5500 Inc vat and has done 53000 miles with FSH,

It's a basic spec with no air-conditioning​ or Bluetooth but still comes with trip computer electric windows and mirrors and took me 600 mile round trip to Devon and has been faultless.

The next thing I did was have a 500 litre di system by Grippatank fitted and has exceeded my expectations,

I too looked at Xline but read some less than complimentary stories on here about customer service etc, so I avoided that one, and while Grippatank are more expensive the aftercare has been excellent.

If you've got the time and expertise you can build your own system quite cheaply, but as I have a full round the van was off the road for one day for fitting and out earning the next.
Good luck with your next move.

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ace3

Hi all quick update.

 

completed my first day of maintenance cleans and can't believe how much easier the day was compared to last time where I felt like I was scrubbing/rinsing for ages! 

 

I have bought a van this week, went with a 65 plate Peugeot partner professional 850kg payload which I should get at the end of this week.

 

I am going to have a look online for professional systems tonight with a work colleague as I don't feel confident enough to diy it myself....I do really like the look of the xline system or maybe the water genie from the cleaning warehouse......grippa systems do look nice but they come out at an extra £1.5k compared to others which I think is too expensive.

 

thanks for all of the help once again everyone! 

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Part Timer

Have you looked at Pure Freedom, mine still going strong after 6 years.

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adamangler

First cleans are horrible when yiu have a full day of them. They roughly take me twice as long as normal. I never book more than about 8 in on one day. The first clean is key I make sure mine are immaculate first time. When you get to the second clean it like heaven on earth. But the really beauty comes after half a dozen clean when you get really quick with them and do them on autopilot.

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59 minutes ago, Part Timer said:

Have you looked at Pure Freedom, mine still going strong after 6 years.

 

My trolley is from pure pure freedom and I've had no issues with it but didn't even think about their systems as I can't find much info about them.  what are the prices like for pure freedom it doesn't display anything on the website. I'm looking at a 500l full ro/di system.

 

55 minutes ago, adamangler said:

First cleans are horrible when yiu have a full day of them. They roughly take me twice as long as normal. I never book more than about 8 in on one day. The first clean is key I make sure mine are immaculate first time. When you get to the second clean it like heaven on earth. But the really beauty comes after half a dozen clean when you get really quick with them and do them on autopilot.

 

Yeah you're right adam, 6 of them today were fronts only and I think they took 10mins maximum each I couldn't believe it! 

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Part Timer

By the looks of their webpage you have to ring them. They were, in my opinion, when I bought mine the best value for money.

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ace3

Hi all I am looking at van insurance now, am I correct in thinking that I now need commercial insurance as I will be using it for business as wel as my daily commute etc?

 

also which form of commercial insurance do I need to get, there are 

 

carriage of own goods

 

carriage of goods for hire and reward

 

And haulage cover

 

also I have 10 years no claims for my car and have never driven a van before so is there any way of transferring that or is that lost now? Sorry if these are really stupid questions, I'm in between night shifts and my brain is frazzled.

 

thanks for any help 

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Part Timer

Most insurance companies won't transfer car no claims to a van. The only one I know that do, they did for me, are NFU Tel, 01273769625

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