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The work loads coming abit too much for just me and needing abit of a hand on the round. I’ve lined up a new round so I can employ someone else full time. How’s the best way about getting some full time staff? Looking to pay about 70£ a day (Manchester)

 

 

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Lewisspittle
By giving them more than barely minimum wage for starters.


What do you pay?


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In don't employ, but a couple or friends of mine helps out with a few of my customers. We do a 80/20 split, but they have their own company, van, insurance etc.

 

My father in-law cleans in Denmark, and he gets 52% of the income, but his employer of course carries all expenses.

 

If £70 is about half of what they earn, you might need to rise your prices.

 

Edit: just to point it out, I'm not in the UK, so take my advice with a grain of salt.

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Lewisspittle
In don't employ, but a couple or friends of mine helps out with a few of my customers. We do a 80/20 split, but they have their own company, van, insurance etc.
 
My father in-law cleans in Denmark, and he gets 52% of the income, but his employer of course carries all expenses.
 
If £70 is about half of what they earn, you might need to rise your prices.
 
Edit: just to point it out, I'm not in the UK, so take my advice with a grain of salt.


Thanks for the advice


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In don't employ, but a couple or friends of mine helps out with a few of my customers. We do a 80/20 split, but they have their own company, van, insurance etc.
 
My father in-law cleans in Denmark, and he gets 52% of the income, but his employer of course carries all expenses.
 
If £70 is about half of what they earn, you might need to rise your prices.
 
Edit: just to point it out, I'm not in the UK, so take my advice with a grain of salt.


I’d supply everything. They’d only need to turn up


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chris clean
20 hours ago, Lewisspittle said:

 

The work loads coming abit too much for just me and needing abit of a hand on the round. I’ve lined up a new round so I can employ someone else full time. How’s the best way about getting some full time staff? Looking to pay about 70£ a day (Manchester)

 

 

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if you want someone to take a bit of pride and care in the work and to show loyalty to you  your gonna have to be paying more than £70 a day! Assuming it's a full days work your paying them for!

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if you want someone to take a bit of pride and care in the work and to show loyalty to you  your gonna have to be paying more than £70 a day! Assuming it's a full days work your paying them for!


How much for an 8 hour day would you suggest? & how much would you want them to clean in a day? (In moneys worth)


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Is it going to send you over the vat threshold


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2 hours ago, Lewisspittle said:

 


Absolutely no chance hahaha


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Well I don't know what area you are but if you're so busy you can't do all your work and therefore have to employ, but won't be anywhere near VAT threshold after, you might be better upping your prices and dropping the dross, and not employing. 

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Iron Giant
7 hours ago, Part Timer said:

Well I don't know what area you are but if you're so busy you can't do all your work and therefore have to employ, but won't be anywhere near VAT threshold after, you might be better upping your prices and dropping the dross, and not employing. 


People assume the best thing to do is employ to grow their business because they are snowed under with work, but I agree it's not the answer for everyone and it's better to re-evaluate a business and take a real hard look as to the best way to progress a business and maximize turnover and profit. 

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On 21/09/2018 at 15:21, Lewisspittle said:

 


Thanks for the advice


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I’d supply everything. They’d only need to turn up


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70 bucks is a lot where i am. Illegal window cleaning staff are on 50, legal on 60 upward..

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Dave Shaw

Anything between minimum wage and £100 a day is the going and fair rate for an unskilled labouring job. You will be hard pushed to find a window cleaner on more than that bar a few commercial and specialised cleaning aspects. My lads on £10 per hour. All this talk of pay em more is nonsense and is probs from people who don’t and have never employed themselves as a window cleaner. As for getting the staff then advertise in your local job centre and papers plus ask other windies in the area if they know of anyone who wants a job.


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8 minutes ago, Dave Shaw said:

Anything between minimum wage and £100 a day is the going and fair rate for an unskilled labouring job. You will be hard pushed to find a window cleaner on more than that bar a few commercial and specialised cleaning aspects. My lads on £10 per hour. All this talk of pay em more is nonsense and is probs from people who don’t and have never employed themselves as a window cleaner. As for getting the staff then advertise in your local job centre and papers plus ask other windies in the area if they know of anyone who wants a job.


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I've, literally, employed 100's of people, in a previous business and never asked one of my staff to do something I wouldn't. This has included cleaning drains, driving HGV and working on furnaces, I wouldn't work for £10 an hour in the NE so wouldn't expect anyone I employed to do so. 

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I've, literally, employed 100's of people, in a previous business and never asked one of my staff to do something I wouldn't. This has included cleaning drains, driving HGV and working on furnaces, I wouldn't work for £10 an hour in the NE so wouldn't expect anyone I employed to do so. 

That’s why I said as a window cleaner. Also there’s a big difference between what you would do and what happens in the real world.


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1 hour ago, Dave Shaw said:


That’s why I said as a window cleaner. Also there’s a big difference between what you would do and what happens in the real world.


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95% of them would be classed as unskilled labourers. 

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I am working at a church at the moment. They asked the preferred maintenance company for a quote to repair a wooden hatch. Their quote for a day,s work was £1200. That's what these big companies are charging because under a grand and they are not interested. I am beginning to realise why our public buildings and now banks are falling to bits. They save money by not maintaining their buildings and just stick a plaster over the problem. Then it eventually collapses and they complain about finding the money for it.

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Dave Shaw
95% of them would be classed as unskilled labourers. 

And how many of them did you pay more than £10/15 per hour?

Tbh I also think £10 is a little shy but only because I’m comparing it to what I earn. Thing is I’ve worked bloody hard to get to where I am and not just turned up like an employee. Also there are many on a lot less so why feel guilty when it’s the going rate? Ideally once my prices are were I want them to be I’d like him to be on

£100 a day for no more than 5 hours work so £20 per hour if you like. That’s my plan and I’m gettin their slowly. I’m there financially and just need to get my prices up to speed to cut our working hours down whilst still taking the same. Life’s all about making things easier from here on in.

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Too true. Vat reg is now 85000 with a possibility of another rise in the future. You can comfortably do 350 a day, five days a week for 48 weeks of the year. It’s perfectly doable to have one employee and still make a good crust for yourself without breaking the barrier.


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People assume the best thing to do is employ to grow their business because they are snowed under with work, but I agree it's not the answer for everyone and it's better to re-evaluate a business and take a real hard look as to the best way to progress a business and maximize turnover and profit. 

Why not do both, put your prices up and employ. That way you can earn more whilst someone else is doing it for you.


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Iron Giant
59 minutes ago, Dave Shaw said:


Too true. Vat reg is now 85000 with a possibility of another rise in the future. You can comfortably do 350 a day, five days a week for 48 weeks of the year. It’s perfectly doable to have one employee and still make a good crust for yourself without breaking the barrier.



Why not do both, put your prices up and employ. That way you can earn more whilst someone else is doing it for you.


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After 18 years of working on my it would do my head in, Now down to the nitty gritty 1 employee will mean I would need to buy a  need a bigger van and extra gear including bigger tank reel etc plus wages including holiday pay, sick pay and pension if I was turning over £350 a day with an employee there is most of the extra turnover gone and in the cold light of day I know for a fact I wouldn't be much better off either financially or mentally 

Plus add in the fact that I know I am the highest price window cleaner in my area my prices can't go much higher and I am charging quite a bit more than you 😉

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1 hour ago, Dave Shaw said:

And how many of them did you pay more than £10/15 per hour?

Tbh I also think £10 is a little shy but only because I’m comparing it to what I earn. Thing is I’ve worked bloody hard to get to where I am and not just turned up like an employee. Also there are many on a lot less so why feel guilty when it’s the going rate? Ideally once my prices are were I want them to be I’d like him to be on

£100 a day for no more than 5 hours work so £20 per hour if you like. That’s my plan and I’m gettin their slowly. I’m there financially and just need to get my prices up to speed to cut our working hours down whilst still taking the same. Life’s all about making things easier from here on in.

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In 1997 they were paid £5 an hour, time and a half for overtime and double time on a Sunday. They were also on a bonus system. The average house price then was circa £100k, and a damn site less up here. 

Whilst I appreciate it is hard to pay someone £10+ I think the vast majority on here have got into window-cleaning to earn a decent wage I find it strange that they would put someone else through what they didn't like, i.e. hard work for relatively low pay. I don't need people now saying I'm unrealistic as this is my opinion, if I couldn't pay someone a good wage I wouldn't employ them. No one forces you to take on work that doesn't allow you to pay a decent wage. 

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