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Den

My son and myself work together we use approx 500l a day that’s a full day very occasionally we go over but my work is very local and quite often go home for lunch so can top if need be.

 

he does any ladder jobs like the odd window above a flat roof garage, we work great as a team. 

 

univavle is a must and also using 100degree fanjets helps save water imo. 

 

I use a 325 facelift and my son uses 25l barrels that are fed by pump and into hosereel, so apart my having to transfer the inlets from the barrels x4 a day beats which takes seconds it almost like having a second tank install. 

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Daniel Perkins
On 02/11/2018 at 08:47, Den said:

My son and myself work together we use approx 500l a day that’s a full day very occasionally we go over but my work is very local and quite often go home for lunch so can top if need be.

 

he does any ladder jobs like the odd window above a flat roof garage, we work great as a team. 

 

univavle is a must and also using 100degree fanjets helps save water imo. 

 

I use a 325 facelift and my son uses 25l barrels that are fed by pump and into hosereel, so apart my having to transfer the inlets from the barrels x4 a day beats which takes seconds it almost like having a second tank install. 

Hey mate,

Just got my facelift 325 delivered yesterday, just a few questions if you don't mind. How many brackets did you get to bolt down tank & did you get bolts/spreader plates with that or you have to buy it yourself? I only got one bracket and that's it, been on to WCW about it and waiting for reply. I've been using a PF trolley for awhile now and when I need to charge I plug power cord into battery, does charging a leisure battery work a different way? I haven't got a power cord or the likes to charge the battery. 

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Den

with my system I got four brackets two for each side.

 

you only get tecscrews which are attached to the four bracket and attached to the pallet these aren't safe IMO, you need to buy some nuts bolts and spreader plates.

 

you would have received a 75ah or 85ah battery with your facedlift but unfortunately you have to buy a charger yourself I have a smart charger I have the one below used this everyday for two years works perfect it also as quick release SAE connector so son messing about with crocodile clips. 

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/6V-12v-4A-Electronic-Smart-Car-Battery-Fast-Trickle-Charger-WET-AGM-ACID-Maypole/121219067543?epid=1942859756&hash=item1c39382e97:g:Er0AAOSw~y9ZAer0

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spruce
On 28/09/2018 at 08:35, Teaboy said:
If you want it bad enough you’ll find it no matter what.

Working with a mate you have to find twice the work but in theory have halve the bills


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In a business like this I must admit going into partnership with a mate would be low on my list of ideals asking for issues at every opportunity


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Sadly, I would have to agree. We have seen a few examples of local windies who have fallen out with each other.
It's usually when one of them gets the hump when he believes he is doing the most work but they are splitting the takings equally. Years back we had "Little and Large"working traditionally. Little was up and down the ladder doing tops and Large did the bottoms because he was to big and fat to climb ladders. Little feel out with Large as he felt he was doing the most work.
It got quite ugly.



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P4dstar
1 hour ago, Den said:

with my system I got four brackets two for each side.

 

you only get tecscrews which are attached to the four bracket and attached to the pallet these aren't safe IMO, you need to buy some nuts bolts and spreader plates.

 

you would have received a 75ah or 85ah battery with your facedlift but unfortunately you have to buy a charger yourself I have a smart charger I have the one below used this everyday for two years works perfect it also as quick release SAE connector so son messing about with crocodile clips. 

Wow, over a grand on a system and they can't even supply a charger. Thats pretty shocking. Stick £50 on the price and give me a plug in charger any day of the week!

 

1 hour ago, spruce said:

Sadly, I would have to agree. We have seen a few examples of local windies who have fallen out with each other.
It's usually when one of them gets the hump when he believes he is doing the most work but they are splitting the takings equally. Years back we had "Little and Large"working traditionally. Little was up and down the ladder doing tops and Large did the bottoms because he was to big and fat to climb ladders. Little feel out with Large as he felt he was doing the most work.
It got quite ugly.
 

Before this I had a failed business idea of offering Stag and Hen parties. Started it with a friend. Knocked it on the head before there was any ill feeling but I basically built 85-90% of the website. It was frustrating and I wasn't willing to lose a friend over it. When I initially threw the idea out about becoming a window cleaner it was with the intention of both of us doing it. He was too indecisive so I cut strings and told him I was going for it alone. No hard feelings etc, he has helped me a lot since I started but I am glad I went alone.

 

If you're both going to become window cleaners there is no reason you can't work together as 2 separate businesses, 2 separate business names each concentrating on a territory. It would always be good to have someone to share the cost of an RO with. Once window cleaning is your only income stream then you need to have back ups of pretty much everything. It would be good to split the cost of things like that. If you get a big job on its nice to have someone to share the load. Much easier to break ties that way than a partnership.

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Den

Thought that was standard with all the big installers they supply the battery but not the charger I could easily be corrected though 😕

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P4dstar
21 minutes ago, Den said:

Thought that was standard with all the big installers they supply the battery but not the charger I could easily be corrected though 😕

Just seems daft mate. If they gave me a phone without a charger I wouldn't be happy. I just checked back on the website as I remembered it saying plug and go but it actually says just charge and go, makes no mention of charger sold separately. You're probably right but it just seems so wrong. It wouldn't be a huge amount of effort for them to convert it to a kettle lead charging port like a backpack has. That is what I assumed they did to be honest, I also assumed the fitted ones would come with a split charge relay, do they?

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Den
4 minutes ago, P4dstar said:

Just seems daft mate. If they gave me a phone without a charger I wouldn't be happy. I just checked back on the website as I remembered it saying plug and go but it actually says just charge and go, makes no mention of charger sold separately. You're probably right but it just seems so wrong. It wouldn't be a huge amount of effort for them to convert it to a kettle lead charging port like a backpack has. That is what I assumed they did to be honest, I also assumed the fitted ones would come with a split charge relay, do they?

Split charge relays and static trickle as far as I know are optional extras and they charge a fair whack for them. 

 

Had my facelift system 2.5 to  3 years and always used the above charger I posted think it was approx £20 then works great for the money can leave on all night if required as it's a smart charger quick release connectors.

 

I have a split charge relay but don't do enough mileage to be effective will not bother with another when I get my new van only takes a few seconds to reel extension lead out and charge. 

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Daniel Perkins
with my system I got four brackets two for each side.  

you only get tecscrews which are attached to the four bracket and attached to the pallet these aren't safe IMO, you need to buy some nuts bolts and spreader plates.

 

you would have received a 75ah or 85ah battery with your facedlift but unfortunately you have to buy a charger yourself I have a smart charger I have the one below used this everyday for two years works perfect it also as quick release SAE connector so son messing about with crocodile clips. 

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/6V-12v-4A-Electronic-Smart-Car-Battery-Fast-Trickle-Charger-WET-AGM-ACID-Maypole/121219067543?epid=1942859756&hash=item1c39382e97:g:Er0AAOSw~y9ZAer0

 

Lovely cheers mate. Yeah missing 3 brackets and screws. I 'll get that charger also if you recommend it.. bit stingy them not throwing a charger in thought they would. I did envisage the charger being the same as pure freedom trolley for some reason. 

 

Could you recommend anywhere to get the spreader plates and bolts or would likes of b and q suffice?

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spruce
1 hour ago, Daniel Perkins said:

Lovely cheers mate. Yeah missing 3 brackets and screws. I 'll get that charger also if you recommend it.. bit stingy them not throwing a charger in thought they would. I did envisage the charger being the same as pure freedom trolley for some reason. 

 

Could you recommend anywhere to get the spreader plates and bolts or would likes of b and q suffice?

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50mm x 6mm mild steel flat bar is ok cut to the length you need.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/6-0mm-Mild-Steel-FLAT-BAR-20-25-30-40-50-60-75-100mm-available-in-8-lengths/291539523900?hash=item43e11c193c:m:mf1QUKRTLhXbEfD0gzz9U-A:rk:3:pf:0

 

I would prefer stainless steel as it won't rust. Obviously you will need to drill the holes.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FLAT-BAR-STAINLESS-STEEL-Flat-Bar-Plate-Strip-Many-sizes-and-lengths/172948804627?hash=item28448d5413:m:mpmJKPravT6oxj91ZrianaQ:rk:1:pf:0&var=471709860684

 

You need high tensile 8.8 grade zinc plated M10 bolts with M10 high tensile nuts (M10 depending on the internal brackets. M10 = a 10mm hole approx.)

I have just recieved a packet of these, but the length you order could be different as mine have to go through the chassis box section.

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/M10-Grade-8-8-High-Tensile-Zinc-Plated-Fully-Threaded-Set-Screws-Steel-Bolts/182873844105?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=690175350104&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

 

This windie used angle iron for his van's spreader plates. I think it was 50 x 5 angle iron.

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