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Iron Giant
1 minute ago, steve garwood said:

Almost exactly what happened to me.

I too enquired about this. Promised an e.mail with the applicable information, nothing 


I got them delivered this week and just changed my carbon filter last night and noticed straight away that for some reason there were no labels on them, still bewildered how they can get confused with 5 microns for 5 inches, I ordered a door card for my van as well and had to ring them after delivery and I wasn't overly impressed with the guy on the phone, I don't think I will buy anything else of them in the future. 

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spruce
3 hours ago, Iron Giant said:

The 10" CFBC high-performance carbon filters I bought from Grippa have gone up £3.00 in price from £21.00 plus vat to £24.17  but their service life is 75,000 litres which I calculated will last me 19 weeks but what I can't work out is the published data on their site still not sure if its a carbon and sediment filter or why they recommend a 10 micron sediment filter https://www.grippatank.co.uk/fibredyne-cfbc-sediment-carbon-pre-filter-10 I emailed them and why they recommend 10 micron sediment filters when I had always bought 5 microns from Gardiners previously they said Gardiners had never sold 5" sediment filters I emailed again and got no response their customer service ain't great on the whole. 

I phoned Citroen Technical in Coventry about 18 months ago. I had a reg of a van I was interested in buying and wanted to know if the body was galvanised dipped in production in the Sevel Sud factory in Italy. The response was that this model didn't have a galvanised dipstick. I'm just looking at the 5" sediment filters and wonder if the same thing happened.

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P4dstar
16 minutes ago, spruce said:

The response was that this model didn't have a galvanised dipstick

I think we've found the dipstick, they're responding to emails for Grippa... Bloody 15 word rule

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Iron Giant
8 hours ago, spruce said:

I phoned Citroen Technical in Coventry about 18 months ago. I had a reg of a van I was interested in buying and wanted to know if the body was galvanised dipped in production in the Sevel Sud factory in Italy. The response was that this model didn't have a galvanised dipstick. I'm just looking at the 5" sediment filters and wonder if the same thing happened.


I know 5" sediment filters exist but in the case of @GrippaTANK their stock isn't extensive and I still can't work out why they recommend certain sediment filters but don't stock any at all 😵 , I had a hunt around this morning and hey presto Pentair Fibredyne™ CFBC Carbon Cartridge which details the full spec @steve garwood not sure if you wanted to know this also 

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spruce
22 hours ago, doug atkinson said:

Cheek and you wanted your money back 😂

 

At least we are honest in saying what the specification is where as I know 100% fact there are plenty out there that falsify their information to get sales.

You get better carbon grade so you have to pay that extra but some people just look at the price and not specification.

6000 litres is what it will take out if your water has constant Chlorine, sometimes it will not have Chlorine and other days it will. 

 

 

if your water has constant Chlorine, sometimes it will not have Chlorine and other days it will. 

 

Is there a study you have found to collaborate this @doug atkinson?

 

Our water supplier will say that our drinking water is safe to drink as it is treated with chlorine and that chlorine will always be present in the water we drink for it to be safe. In other words, they have a 'politically correct script' that they read from that may or may not reflect the actual situation.

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steve garwood
On 11/01/2019 at 06:58, Iron Giant said:


I know 5" sediment filters exist but in the case of @GrippaTANK their stock isn't extensive and I still can't work out why they recommend certain sediment filters but don't stock any at all 😵 , I had a hunt around this morning and hey presto Pentair Fibredyne™ CFBC Carbon Cartridge which details the full spec @steve garwood not sure if you wanted to know this also 

Hi, did you order from Pentair? 

Just wondered how you got on.

2 questions if you don’t mind,

1. How much did you pay for the 10” fiberdyne filter and was there a deal if you spent a certain amount the p&p is free?

2. Heard somewhere that the high performance pre filters (75,000L) ones, slow down production due to the microns being smaller.

Any truth in this as far as you know?

 Thanks in advance 🙂

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Iron Giant
33 minutes ago, steve garwood said:

Hi, did you order from Pentair? 

Just wondered how you got on.

2 questions if you don’t mind,

1. How much did you pay for the 10” fiberdyne filter and was there a deal if you spent a certain amount the p&p is free?

2. Heard somewhere that the high performance pre filters (75,000L) ones, slow down production due to the microns being smaller.

Any truth in this as far as you know?

 Thanks in advance 🙂

 
Steve I ordered mine from Grippa and they were £19.00 without the vat which was about 2 weeks ago Gaps water also sell them but they are more expensive http://www.gapswater.co.uk/acatalog/Pentair--pentek--CFBC-Chlorine-and-Cyst-Reduction-Filter--0.5-Micron-CFBC.html#SID=550 their is some extra info regarding the microns which says it flows like a 10 micron over my head, to be honest about the microns but I haven't noticed a drop in production or flow of pure into my tank, hope this helps @Alex Gardiner I wonder if you could possibly enlighten us regarding what sediment filter it's best paired with as these were previously sold by yourself. 

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Alex Gardiner
43 minutes ago, Iron Giant said:

 
Steve I ordered mine from Grippa and they were £19.00 without the vat which was about 2 weeks ago Gaps water also sell them but they are more expensive http://www.gapswater.co.uk/acatalog/Pentair--pentek--CFBC-Chlorine-and-Cyst-Reduction-Filter--0.5-Micron-CFBC.html#SID=550 their is some extra info regarding the microns which says it flows like a 10 micron over my head, to be honest about the microns but I haven't noticed a drop in production or flow of pure into my tank, hope this helps @Alex Gardiner I wonder if you could possibly enlighten us regarding what sediment filter it's best paired with as these were previously sold by yourself. 

 

 

The 10" Fibredyne Filters can be ordered from either:

 

Grippatank - at £17.42 +VAT each - https://www.grippatank.co.uk/fibredyne-cfb-plus-sediment-carbon-pre-filter-10

or Gapswater at £15 +VAT each - http://www.gapswater.co.uk/acatalog/Pentair--pentek--CFB-Plus-Carbon-Filter-CFBPLUS.html#SID=550

 

Then  if you need a sediment pre-filter before this you could use either of the following 5 micron Sediment filters:

 

First item on this page - 2 for £13.33 +VAT - https://daqua.co.uk/sedimentfilter.htm

or Gapswater - £1.60 +VAT each - http://www.gapswater.co.uk/acatalog/SPECTRUM-Economic-Spun-Bonded-TruDepth-Filter--ESP_5.html#SID=844

 

Of course there are many other suppliers of these items available 😊

 

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trevor peacock

So, From what I can gather, fibredyne are the best filters and replace the 3 filter system ( which I've always used) but some of you recommend a sediment filter before the fybredyne depending on water quality.

I understand that.

 

But considering how many " experts" there are on this forum (and I mean that, I've had so much great advice from you.)

Can't we agree which fibredyne and which sediment filter are the best and where to get them from. It would be nice to buy from one site and potentially save on postage.

 

I appreciate doug and alex have their own businesses but it would make it easier for half wits like me!!!!

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doug atkinson
On 11/01/2019 at 09:07, spruce said:

 

if your water has constant Chlorine, sometimes it will not have Chlorine and other days it will. 

 

Is there a study you have found to collaborate this @doug atkinson?

 

Our water supplier will say that our drinking water is safe to drink as it is treated with chlorine and that chlorine will always be present in the water we drink for it to be safe. In other words, they have a 'politically correct script' that they read from that may or may not reflect the actual situation.

 

Scottish water often use Cholramine instead of Chlorine and our water cannot find a trace of Chlorine.

 

If you purchase some Cholrine test strips from an Aquatic shop you can test your water.

 

I always recommend to customers to use these to test their waste water after the membrane to see if their filters are working.

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doug atkinson

5 mircron Sediment prior to Fibredyne is what I recommend. As a safety precaution you could add another sediment after as I have seen on one occasion the filter crack in freezing temperatures.

 

Fine Carbon dust will cause a tear in the membrane sheet so this is a good precaution.

 

Not allowed to advertise but we do offer a good deal if MB 115 is purchased. Press continue and brings you to a secret page of products that can only be bought when MB 115 is purchased.😃

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P4dstar
4 hours ago, trevor peacock said:

So, From what I can gather, fibredyne are the best filters and replace the 3 filter system ( which I've always used) but some of you recommend a sediment filter before the fybredyne depending on water quality.

I understand that.

 

But considering how many " experts" there are on this forum (and I mean that, I've had so much great advice from you.)

Can't we agree which fibredyne and which sediment filter are the best and where to get them from. It would be nice to buy from one site and potentially save on postage.

 

I appreciate doug and alex have their own businesses but it would make it easier for half wits like me!!!!

I have no idea what the 3 filter system is. I've heard it mentioned previously but all the major suppliers of RO units seem to sell the 2 filter system (Sediment and Carbon)

 

I can tell you this... The cheap sediment filters WCW sent me instead of the Spectrum ones I ordered are cr4p. They are an absolute nightmare to fit, they don't want to stand up straight like the Spectrum ones do. My water has consistently been around 275 for a few weeks now. With the Spectrum filter I was getting an output TDS of 16-18 which is just under the recommended 95% minimum. I've always accepted slightly lower results as I only get 38PSI once I set it to about 55/45. Installed the cheap ones they sent me and I can't get below 23. I gave it a good flush too but still can't improve on that. I'll be returning them and getting them from a reputable supplier.

 

With regards to the CFB ones from Grippa, I haven't had the need to change them yet but they seem the same as I've always ordered from Gardiners. 

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spruce
3 hours ago, doug atkinson said:

 

Scottish water often use Cholramine instead of Chlorine and our water cannot find a trace of Chlorine.

 

If you purchase some Cholrine test strips from an Aquatic shop you can test your water.

 

I always recommend to customers to use these to test their waste water after the membrane to see if their filters are working.

 

I had thought of this but didn't think that there was enough chlorine in our water to show up on their rather basic test strips. TBH our water at one time smelt of chlorine when we first opened the tap in the morning, but I haven't noticed that for a few years now.

 

We never seemed to have enough chlorine in our swimming pool water overseas according to the test kit we used even when our eyes were burning in the pool.

 

Chloramine also has traces of chlorine as well as ammonia. Surely Chloramine will also destroy membranes. So even if the council doesn't use chlorine the substitute must just be as bad for r/o membranes.

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Iron Giant
18 hours ago, trevor peacock said:

So, From what I can gather, fibredyne are the best filters and replace the 3 filter system ( which I've always used) but some of you recommend a sediment filter before the fybredyne depending on water quality.

I understand that.

 

But considering how many " experts" there are on this forum (and I mean that, I've had so much great advice from you.)

Can't we agree which fibredyne and which sediment filter are the best and where to get them from. It would be nice to buy from one site and potentially save on postage.

 

I appreciate doug and alex have their own businesses but it would make it easier for half wits like me!!!!


I think the answers have already been given it seems Grippa is the best option for delivery, but as for the Carbon filter it all depends how much you want to spend and how often the ones that Gardiners used to sell are only good for 37,000 litres were as these ones also sold by Grippa  http://www.gapswater.co.uk/acatalog/Pentair--pentek--CFBC-Chlorine-and-Cyst-Reduction-Filter--0.5-Micron-CFBC.html#SID=550   are good for over 75,000 litres as for buying sediment filters no doubt they can be bought of Ebay for cheap enough Sediment filter with free delivery

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steve garwood
24 minutes ago, Iron Giant said:


I think the answers have already been given it seems Grippa is the best option for delivery, but as for the Carbon filter it all depends how much you want to spend and how often the ones that Gardiners used to sell are only good for 37,000 litres were as these ones also sold by Grippa  http://www.gapswater.co.uk/acatalog/Pentair--pentek--CFBC-Chlorine-and-Cyst-Reduction-Filter--0.5-Micron-CFBC.html#SID=550   are good for over 75,000 litres as for buying sediment filters no doubt they can be bought of Ebay for cheap enough Sediment filter with free delivery

The 75,000L pre filters have a micron of only 0.5. 

I phoned Pentair yesterday and was informed they block up much easier, even with a sediment filter 🤔

If you buy a box of 12 10” filters (37,500L) they do them for £187.50 inc vat & delivery 

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Iron Giant
25 minutes ago, steve garwood said:

The 75,000L pre filters have a micron of only 0.5. 

I phoned Pentair yesterday and was informed they block up much easier, even with a sediment filter 🤔

If you buy a box of 12 10” filters (37,500L) they do them for £187.50 inc vat & delivery 


Oh well I've got 2 so will see how things go I check my sediment filter on a weekly basis and as mentioned previously I have no issues with sediment , If I could use the 20" blue ones previously sold by Gardiners I would but can only accommodate 10" pre-filters in my shed, ultimately it depends on your water quality my tap tds is a max of around 78ppm at its worst were as I am guessing your tds is 200+  

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steve garwood
2 hours ago, Iron Giant said:


Oh well I've got 2 so will see how things go I check my sediment filter on a weekly basis and as mentioned previously I have no issues with sediment , If I could use the 20" blue ones previously sold by Gardiners I would but can only accommodate 10" pre-filters in my shed, ultimately it depends on your water quality my tap tds is a max of around 78ppm at its worst were as I am guessing your tds is 200+  

Yes mate, I’m Thames water, it’s equivalent to using water straight out of a swimming pool 😩😩

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doug atkinson
4 hours ago, steve garwood said:

The 75,000L pre filters have a micron of only 0.5. 

I phoned Pentair yesterday and was informed they block up much easier, even with a sediment filter 🤔

If you buy a box of 12 10” filters (37,500L) they do them for £187.50 inc vat & delivery 

"I phoned Pentair yesterday and was informed they block up much easier, even with a sediment filter"

 

I've been SHOUTING this point 😀

With very hard water molecules are larger and also expand in the cold. Those higher spec filters tend to be sold with steam filters where the molecule is smaller as the water has been heated up

 

Pentair do not sell direct to the public and everything goes through their distributor.

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P4dstar

You lot have frazzled my little brain here, I really thought I was getting this RO stuff.

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Iron Giant
8 hours ago, P4dstar said:

You lot have frazzled my little brain here, I really thought I was getting this RO stuff.


After almost 11 years I am still learning, but this post has answered a lot of questions and made a lot of things clearer, I have also learned for the first time to check pre-filter specs rather than just buying whatever and changing them whenever. 

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Jango

Mine too @P4dstar.

So I have just got my resin from Doug and a Fibredyne carbon filter( it’s blue) and a spectrum sediment filter. Had a chat with him yesterday nice chap, very helpful.

so all is well. On with the learning. 

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trevor peacock

my sediment filters never seem to change colour, the one at the moment has done 12,000 litres and is still white, how do you know when they need changing?

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Iron Giant
6 hours ago, trevor peacock said:

my sediment filters never seem to change colour, the one at the moment has done 12,000 litres and is still white, how do you know when they need changing?


If they are still white and don't feel gritty to the touch then they will fine to continue using for the foreseeable future just keep an eye on them  

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P4dstar
17 hours ago, Iron Giant said:

After almost 11 years I am still learning, but this post has answered a lot of questions and made a lot of things clearer, I have also learned for the first time to check pre-filter specs rather than just buying whatever and changing them whenever. 

I know what you mean mate. I think the problem with these systems is they're so complex and there is so little information out there. I remember when I was looking to get an RO and watching videos on YouTube. Oddly enough the best, most informative video I found was by Doug. This was long before anyone on here recommended Daqua. The issue is these videos are absolute gobbledygook to someone who doesn't have the slightest knowledge of RO systems.

 

I always try and answer RO questions and remember how I felt about them. I make my answers as simple as possible remembering how I felt. If it wasn't for Tuffers kindly running me through his RO unit I don't think I would have made head nor tail of it.

 

I understand what people are on about and I understood everything above but it genuinely did hurt my head haha. It is always good to learn. Same as yourself I had never noticed the different pre filter specs, just the brand names. I assumed that all good carbon filters were good for 75k litres for example. This means that when I first got my RO and flushed it for 4 hours I used just under half of the life of the carbon filter as it was only valid for 12000 litres and my tap gives 20-23 litres per minute.

12 hours ago, Jango said:

Mine too @P4dstar.

So I have just got my resin from Doug and a Fibredyne carbon filter( it’s blue) and a spectrum sediment filter. Had a chat with him yesterday nice chap, very helpful.

so all is well. On with the learning. 

I had to call Doug a couple of times. Top bloke, really helpful. I always order my resin from Daqua or Gardiner's. So many suppliers out there have a bad rep when it comes to actually supplying the correct resin. Pure Freedom once sent me resin that seemed really wet compared to usual (Same brand) It didn't last as long as the it had previously. People reported they were once sending a completely different product and claiming it was the same spec. I tried Unger resin once, it was good but didn't quite last as long as Tulsion stuff does.

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doug atkinson
20 hours ago, Jango said:

Mine too @P4dstar.

So I have just got my resin from Doug and a Fibredyne carbon filter( it’s blue) and a spectrum sediment filter. Had a chat with him yesterday nice chap, very helpful.

so all is well. On with the learning. 

Having what you have gone through and you're still window cleaning have to say well done and keep it up.

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