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spruce
22 hours ago, scottish cleaning service said:

Its all in a laptop now. The first thing they do is plug in the laptop and charge you for the pleasure because manufacturers charge them for the software. Manufacturers have got to make money continually so it must come from service and breakdowns.

They won't be making much from new cars now.

I used to own a Suzuki Carry van 1.3. After a while driving the engine management light would come on.

So I took out down to the agents who put it onto the computer and identified a faulty camshaft timing sensor. They had to order the sensor. Putting it on the computer took them 5 minutes and my bill was £65 + vat. 

They dually ordered the sensor and I booked it in for replacement. As agreed with them I waited there as the dealership was 12 miles away. I waited in the waiting room for an hour and a half. I sat in the mot waiting room where I had full view of my van in the workshop. Over an hour and a quarter went past before a mechanic started work on my van. He was finished in 10 minutes.

I got a bill of £40 for the sensor, £80 for fitting and another £65 to clear the fault code. I never saw the laptop taken to the van after the sensor has been replaced.

The engine management light never came on again so they identified the fault correctly.

In the process I identified them as a bunch of bandits and the van never went back to them again.

 

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scottish cleaning service
1 hour ago, spruce said:

The engine management light never came on again so they identified the fault correctly.

In the process I identified them as a bunch of bandits and the van never went back to them again.

Maybe they unticked the engine management box so the light wouldn't come on again. I was getting my van alarm fixed and the car electrician was showing me the laptop. The van alarm activation was unticked so he had to tick the box so it would work. He was also telling me that the manufacturers will not release the software because the Chinese were cloning it and handing it out for free. They now have to set up a link to Germany and let their mechanics fix it. I believe everyone has to make money or the industry will collapse, its when we witness how they make money that we don't like it. If you didn't get the sensor replaced your van would probably still run fine. I like the Picasso story in the Paris cafe. He took a minute to draw a woman sitting near him and she asked to buy it. He quoted a thousand francs and she laughed and said it only took him a minute he replied it took me 55 years and then I think he ripped it up. I hope you don't need a lawyer or a private doctor because you will die when you see what they actually do for the price they charge. 😉 

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spruce
3 minutes ago, scottish cleaning service said:

Maybe they unticked the engine management box so the light wouldn't come on again. I was getting my van alarm fixed and the car electrician was showing me the laptop. The van alarm activation was unticked so he had to tick the box so it would work. He was also telling me that the manufacturers will not release the software because the Chinese were cloning it and handing it out for free. They now have to set up a link to Germany and let their mechanics fix it. I believe everyone has to make money or the industry will collapse, its when we witness how they make money that we don't like it. If you didn't get the sensor replaced your van would probably still run fine. I like the Picasso story in the Paris cafe. He took a minute to draw a woman sitting near him and she asked to buy it. He quoted a thousand francs and she laughed and said it only took him a minute he replied it took me 55 years and then I think he ripped it up. I hope you don't need a lawyer or a private doctor because you will die when you see what they actually do for the price they charge. 😉 

I agree. My mother died 11 years ago and I asked our local solicitor to cancel my Enduring Power of Attorney with the Court of Protection I had on her Estate. I had heard all sorts of horror stories with everyday commoners like me doing it themselves. I still had to fill out the forms but the solicitor signed it, stamped it and sent it off with a short covering letter on their letter head. £247 + VAT. I'd hate to think what the price is now. (Funnily enough this solicitor lives in an old Victorian semi that doesn't stand out from the rest of the properties around him. He drives an old car he doesn't advertise his occupation.) If memory serves me it costs a further £120 for the Court of Protection to cancel the registration.

The Suzuki agents didn't untick a box for that sensor as the management light reappeared on the way home. As the warning light never reappeared after they did the job I concluded they had identified the fault. I am also aware that sometimes a sensor 'fails' due to corrosion on the sensors thread with the alloy head that interferes with the path to earth. This can be corrected by removing the sensor, cleaning the threads up and lubricating it with an anti seize compound. But this senor had 2 wires connecting it up.

The very fact that they didn't put the computer back on after they replaced the sensor tells me they left the fault code stored in the ECU. I don't know how those early systems were programmed and if that fault code remained for the rest of the van's life.

For example, Webasto diesel heaters hold a starting fault that is automatically cleared after 3 successful restarts after the fault code has been triggered. Maybe the Suzuki ECU did the same thing.

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ks789
On 03/08/2020 at 08:23, scottish cleaning service said:

Its all in a laptop now. The first thing they do is plug in the laptop and charge you for the pleasure because manufacturers charge them for the software. Manufacturers have got to make money continually so it must come from service and breakdowns.

They won't be making much from new cars now.

When you say they wont be making much from new cars now, do you mean the changeover to electric vehicles? Hopefully we, the paying punter wont be able to be ripped off so much with electric but I know little about vehicles. If i could have a slave to ride it I'd be up for a rickshaw set up. With 350 litre tank should be ok?  Turban man emogi gone. cant use.

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HWCS

So i tell the sign writters i dont want plain wording on my new van i want a snazzy wrap and they spend 4 days designing me this!!

Pretty much identical to my old van 🤬

 

Sent them an email explaining what i want and sent them a pic of a van i really like as a guide, lets see what they come up with.

 

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ks789
On 01/08/2020 at 16:31, spruce said:

They've all got dramas in one form or another. Some worse than others. A good van today could change to a bad van tomorrow. Some of those changes can be due to external forces such as emissions regulations or an internal change of direction.

When Ford introduced the Transit Connect in 2003 it was soon voted van of the year. But very soon it became evident that the Tddi engine they used was very dated (the Tdci only became an option later in the T230) and they didn't have much rust protection. In our part of the world we really see a 53/04/54 plate Transit Connect where their are still dozens of 02/52/03/53/04 plate Berlingo/Partner vans because they were galvanized dipped where Connects weren't.

 

 

Ive got one of those 04 connects spruce. Doing well, but only 100k on clock fully serviced ex bt job. ( well, I trust the bloke ive serviced it with but cant guarantee the previous) I did get some welding done last year, but hope should keep it going a bit.

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dmw
On 04/08/2020 at 06:54, spruce said:

I used to own a Suzuki Carry van 1.3. After a while driving the engine management light would come on.

So I took out down to the agents who put it onto the computer and identified a faulty camshaft timing sensor. They had to order the sensor. Putting it on the computer took them 5 minutes and my bill was £65 + vat. 

They dually ordered the sensor and I booked it in for replacement. As agreed with them I waited there as the dealership was 12 miles away. I waited in the waiting room for an hour and a half. I sat in the mot waiting room where I had full view of my van in the workshop. Over an hour and a quarter went past before a mechanic started work on my van. He was finished in 10 minutes.

I got a bill of £40 for the sensor, £80 for fitting and another £65 to clear the fault code. I never saw the laptop taken to the van after the sensor has been replaced.

The engine management light never came on again so they identified the fault correctly.

In the process I identified them as a bunch of bandits and the van never went back to them again.

 

I had a recurring engine management light come on at approximately 3 week intervals (after resetting) in my old Touran my local garage independant could never find the fault and I was reluctant take it to the VW stealership

I always timed every service with the mot to avoid excessive time off the road and the garage simply reset the code when serviced and sure enough 3 weeks later it reappeared and it was ignored, never gave me a problem and was a great motor until an elderly farmer in his Range Rover ran into the back of it fortunately the wife was driving it at the time ( only joking).😁

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Iron Giant
7 hours ago, HWCS said:

So i tell the sign writters i dont want plain wording on my new van i want a snazzy wrap and they spend 4 days designing me this!!

Pretty much identical to my old van 🤬

 

Sent them an email explaining what i want and sent them a pic of a van i really like as a guide, lets see what they come up with.

 

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I find someone else if that's the best they can do, also looks like a long list of services which I can't read all writing needs to be as big and bold as possible so people can read it from a reasonable distance, 

the writing on mine is big and clear but it didn't stop an old bloke coming out of his house yesterday whilst I was sat in my van asking for a quote for a new door as all he read on the van was windows and doors and totally missed the big logo with window cleaning  🧐

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scottish cleaning service
On 04/08/2020 at 09:24, spruce said:

This can be corrected by removing the sensor, cleaning the threads up and lubricating it with an anti seize compound. But this senor had 2 wires connecting it up.

My engine pressure sensor came on and the mechanic bought one for £50 and fitted it for £60 so I got a good deal. Talking to a mate about it and he said his brother also a mechanic told him to remove it and blow through it and refit it. It happened again when a hose came loose and I did the blow trick and its been fine since and that was 5yrs ago. 😉

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ks789
21 hours ago, ks789 said:

Ive got one of those 04 connects spruce. Doing well, but only 100k on clock fully serviced ex bt job. ( well, I trust the bloke ive serviced it with but cant guarantee the previous) I did get some welding done last year, but hope should keep it going a bit.

I spoke too soon. noticed oil where I park and shone torch under and can see oil under the drivers side, going on the wheel and around whatever those bits nearby are. only just got oil change and service last week. Hope not too expensive. Cans instead of pub this wkend ☹️

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ched999uk
8 minutes ago, ks789 said:

Cans instead of pub this wkend

Might be safest looking at all the covid figures and a lot associated with pubs!!!!!

Good Luck with the oil leak

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ks789
3 minutes ago, ched999uk said:

Might be safest looking at all the covid figures and a lot associated with pubs!!!!!

Good Luck with the oil leak

yeh true, some down here are doing it well but one of em is lax as anything.

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