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Nick Mitton

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Apart from 3L more water and cost if you buy from supplier, what is difference? 

Guess as a newbie to wfp I don't understand why people spend hours making there own trolly when for simler money you can strap a backpack to a sack barrow? I'm sure there I a good reason but I can't think what, hence the question? 

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If you build your own then you know how it all goes together and can maintain and repair quite easy. You can also make it to your needs. i.e. do you want remote control, bigger battery, chemically resistant pump to name but a few things. Plus some people get satisfaction from building stuff 🙂 

Buying one is easy and relatively cheap but it will be a compromise. Sometimes it's good to start with basic kit to learn what you want from decent kit by using the basic stuff. i.e. do you need variable speed or is just on and off OK, do you need more capacity, is the one you have too heavy. etc.... 

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22 minutes ago, Nick Mitton said:

Apart from 3L more water and cost if you buy from supplier, what is difference? 

Guess as a newbie to wfp I don't understand why people spend hours making there own trolly when for simler money you can strap a backpack to a sack barrow? I'm sure there I a good reason but I can't think what, hence the question? 

I built my own trolley system because I have an in depth specialist knowledge of electronics and mechanical engineering.

My design is easy to maintain and is future proofed with scope for improvement or modification 

The sheer pride of having someone you made with your own hands out weighs some plastic rotomould blue and yellow thing everyone else has.

Also when people stop you in the street and ask where you got your system from and you say I built that they are blown away.

It's easy buying something that someone else made but when it goes tits up do you have the ability to repair it, change out parts without hours of phone calls and questions of what parts what etc.

I'm sure that most of the big name items are all made in the same shenzhen factory under a license brand name exclusivity contract 

 

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12 minutes ago, ched999uk said:

If you build your own then you know how it all goes together and can maintain and repair quite easy. You can also make it to your needs. i.e. do you want remote control, bigger battery, chemically resistant pump to name but a few things. Plus some people get satisfaction from building stuff 🙂 

Buying one is easy and relatively cheap but it will be a compromise. Sometimes it's good to start with basic kit to learn what you want from decent kit by using the basic stuff. i.e. do you need variable speed or is just on and off OK, do you need more capacity, is the one you have too heavy. etc.... 

Sound reasoning, so more of a personal choice, no real difference when it comes to doing the job🤔

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14 minutes ago, ched999uk said:

If you build your own then you know how it all goes together and can maintain and repair quite easy. You can also make it to your needs. i.e. do you want remote control, bigger battery, chemically resistant pump to name but a few things. Plus some people get satisfaction from building stuff 🙂 

Buying one is easy and relatively cheap but it will be a compromise. Sometimes it's good to start with basic kit to learn what you want from decent kit by using the basic stuff. i.e. do you need variable speed or is just on and off OK, do you need more capacity, is the one you have too heavy. etc.... 

Well said Sir 👏 

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4 minutes ago, Apw1210 said:

I built my own trolley system because I have an in depth specialist knowledge of electronics and mechanical engineering.

My design is easy to maintain and is future proofed with scope for improvement or modification 

The sheer pride of having someone you made with your own hands out weighs some plastic rotomould blue and yellow thing everyone else has.

Also when people stop you in the street and ask where you got your system from and you say I built that they are blown away.

It's easy buying something that someone else made but when it goes tits up do you have the ability to repair it, change out parts without hours of phone calls and questions of what parts what etc.

I'm sure that most of the big name items are all made in the same shenzhen factory under a license brand name exclusivity contract 

 

😂😂😂Very true

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1 minute ago, Nick Mitton said:

Sound reasoning, so more of a personal choice, no real difference when it comes to doing the job🤔

If I drop mine down a flight of concrete steps it will still work 

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Just now, Apw1210 said:

If I drop mine down a flight of concrete steps it will still work 

Ha a definite plus. 

Do back packs have enough power to use a long hose so you can leave on front of house while you walk round? 

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23 minutes ago, Nick Mitton said:

Ha a definite plus. 

Do back packs have enough power to use a long hose so you can leave on front of house while you walk round? 

If you buy a gardiners BP then they say you should have a max of 20m of hose between BP and brush. Some people do run longer hoses.

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2 minutes ago, ched999uk said:

If you buy a gardiners BP then they say you should have a max of 20m of hose between BP and brush. Some people do run longer hoses.

Yeah that's the one I'm getting, think 20m should be enough. 

Is there a preferd hose thickness and connectors? It comes with options? 

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6 minutes ago, Nick Mitton said:

Yeah that's the one I'm getting, think 20m should be enough. 

Is there a preferd hose thickness and connectors? It comes with options? 

Standard pole hose 6mm ID using rectus21 quick release fittings secured with double ear O clips will be fine. 

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5 minutes ago, Nick Mitton said:

Yeah that's the one I'm getting, think 20m should be enough. 

Is there a preferd hose thickness and connectors? It comes with options? 

Just so you know my SLX27 has a 10m pole hose as standard! You can ask Gardiner to supply a pole with 20m pole hose for a little extra. Alternatively you need say a 10m hose with appropriate connectors to go on backpack and pole.

As for hose fittings you can choose what you like ez snap (rectus 21), hoselock, pro26 etc. I think most popular is the ez snap, male on pole hose and female on BP as female has end stop so water stops when you disconnect pole hose.

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7 minutes ago, ched999uk said:

Just so you know my SLX27 has a 10m pole hose as standard! You can ask Gardiner to supply a pole with 20m pole hose for a little extra. Alternatively you need say a 10m hose with appropriate connectors to go on backpack and pole.

As for hose fittings you can choose what you like ez snap (rectus 21), hoselock, pro26 etc. I think most popular is the ez snap, male on pole hose and female on BP as female has end stop so water stops when you disconnect pole hose.

I'm going for slx22, ez water stop sounds useful 

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10 hours ago, Nick Mitton said:

Yeah that's the one I'm getting, think 20m should be enough. 

The side of a house could be 10m so 20m of hose including whats used when your pole is extended then 20m isn't enough so you'll have to lug the BP around the back with you.

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54 minutes ago, Iron Giant said:

The side of a house could be 10m so 20m of hose including whats used when your pole is extended then 20m isn't enough so you'll have to lug the BP around the back with you.

Would a bigger battery help? Is that a reason people make there own trolly? 

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9 minutes ago, Nick Mitton said:

Would a bigger battery help? Is that a reason people make there own trolly? 

I'm no expert but I assume it's down to the small pump that are fitted to BP's, trolleys are usually fitted with the same size pump as a van mount is they are also usually fitted with a similar size battery as well, 

I can't remember if you are a newbie or a trad guy converting a round, If you are a newbie go with a Gardiners BP on a trolley, if you are a trad guy converting your rounds don't bother with BP or a £600 wfp trolley go straight to van mount otherwise you will £600 on something that you will regret and end up spending far more in the long run

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1 minute ago, Iron Giant said:

I'm no expert but I assume it's down to the small pump that are fitted to BP's, trolleys are usually fitted with the same size pump as a van mount is they are also usually fitted with a similar size battery as well, 

I can't remember if you are a newbie or a trad guy converting a round, If you are a newbie go with a Gardiners BP on a trolley, if you are a trad guy converting your rounds don't bother with BP or a £600 wfp trolley go straight to van mount otherwise you will £600 on something that you will regret and end up spending far more in the long run

I'm trad thinking of converting. Don't want to convert van if I can help it as I use it for other things. 

Thinking of getting BP to practice with at home and see if it's for me {£300} could always use for cony roofs later then decide how I go forward. Got a local wfp guy who will sell me as much water as I need for £3 per 100L

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18 minutes ago, Nick Mitton said:

I'm trad thinking of converting. Don't want to convert van if I can help it as I use it for other things. 

Fair enough, but you will chew your wick out lugging containers about getting halfway through a house running out of water walking back to the van having to fill up or swap containers and wasting loads of time in a day, I've been there and done it and still use my van for picking stuff up etc 

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27 minutes ago, Nick Mitton said:

I'm trad thinking of converting. Don't want to convert van if I can help it as I use it for other things. 

Thinking of getting BP to practice with at home and see if it's for me {£300} could always use for cony roofs later then decide how I go forward. Got a local wfp guy who will sell me as much water as I need for £3 per 100L

I have bought the Gardiner back pack to practice with and for using for spraying cleaning fluids down the line. I got mine with female rectus fitting, set pole up with hoseless system. Trolley from Screwfix

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22 minutes ago, Iron Giant said:

Fair enough, but you will chew your wick out lugging containers about getting halfway through a house running out of water walking back to the van having to fill up or swap containers and wasting loads of time in a day, I've been there and done it and still use my van for picking stuff up etc 

This is what I want to see before I spend more money. I only have a berlingo but it's only 1 year old so don't want to swap unless I have too. 

I have friends who do wfp from van and some from trolly. Think I need to find out for myself but appreciate where you are coming from 👍

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