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Securing WFP to roof of Berlingo


wezza13

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Hi all, I've mean meaning to ask for a while. I have a Citroen Berlingo and mount my poles to the ceiling using gutter clips (see photos attached). I've used various types of screw but they all gradually work their way loose over the week. More or less, I have to tighten them all back up every weekend as they are very loose. I have those hollow frames that they're attached to. Recently I've tried those plastic spacers and they last slightly longer before needing to be tightened.

Those that secure their poles via the ceiling, have you found a decent way to do it? I can't put them on the side as I have an Xtreme 35 and SLX 27 and they're too long.

Any help is really appreciated.

Cheers!

 

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8 minutes ago, dazmond said:

Munsen rings and thread from screwfix is what you want....

 

2 minutes ago, dazmond said:

Munsen rings and thread from screwfix is what you want....

 

 

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Thanks Daz, they look solid. I can't see how you've fitted them, from that photo. I'm not a DIY guru but can do the basics. Are they easy to fit?

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5 hours ago, wezza13 said:

Hi all, I've mean meaning to ask for a while. I have a Citroen Berlingo and mount my poles to the ceiling using gutter clips (see photos attached). I've used various types of screw but they all gradually work their way loose over the week. More or less, I have to tighten them all back up every weekend as they are very loose. I have those hollow frames that they're attached to. Recently I've tried those plastic spacers and they last slightly longer before needing to be tightened.

Those that secure their poles via the ceiling, have you found a decent way to do it? I can't put them on the side as I have an Xtreme 35 and SLX 27 and they're too long.

Any help is really appreciated.

Cheers!

 

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I just use 68mm floplast downpipe with bonded in end caps made from HDPE board and secure to the van roof cross members with pipe clamps to suit 

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Are you using self drilling roof screw or are you pre drilling holes and using self tappers?

These sort of things are quite good for holding things into sheet metal: https://www.screwfix.com/p/easydrive-carbon-steel-self-drilling-screws-5-5-x-22mm-100-pack/40117 Check the length as they could go straight through the roof if they are too long!!!!!

The Munsen rings and threaded bar normally requires you to get a nut the other side of the structural box that runs across the roof. 

You could try adding a rubber tap washer between the roof box section and the bracket as that would take a bit of vibration out.

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7 hours ago, wezza13 said:

 

Thanks Daz, they look solid. I can't see how you've fitted them, from that photo. I'm not a DIY guru but can do the basics. Are they easy to fit?

self taping screws into the roof struts on my van...easy peasy......ive used cable ties near to the bulkhead as theres no room for the munsen rings....ive just used one ring on each pole pipe.....they are solid....they ve been up over a year now...no problems....

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On 10/12/2020 at 13:58, ched999uk said:

Are you using self drilling roof screw or are you pre drilling holes and using self tappers?

These sort of things are quite good for holding things into sheet metal: https://www.screwfix.com/p/easydrive-carbon-steel-self-drilling-screws-5-5-x-22mm-100-pack/40117 Check the length as they could go straight through the roof if they are too long!!!!!

The Munsen rings and threaded bar normally requires you to get a nut the other side of the structural box that runs across the roof. 

You could try adding a rubber tap washer between the roof box section and the bracket as that would take a bit of vibration out.

Currently, I'm drilling the holes and then using self-tappers. I'll try the ones in that link thanks, coupled with rubber washers 👍

On 10/12/2020 at 16:43, dazmond said:

self taping screws into the roof struts on my van...easy peasy......ive used cable ties near to the bulkhead as theres no room for the munsen rings....ive just used one ring on each pole pipe.....they are solid....they ve been up over a year now...no problems....

I started off with cable ties 3-4 years ago when I first got the van but found that the gutter pipes that I used to hold the poles swung around too much, which is why I eventually went for a more rigid setup.

On 10/12/2020 at 16:53, Pjj said:

As @dazmond says or pop rivet the fittings to the roof strengthens 

Pop rivets are a good shout and will be tried after the self-tappers and rubber washers. I'll be changing my van next year and am looking to get a bigger one, so the poles will sit on the side.

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1 hour ago, wezza13 said:

Drilled new holes into the roof strengthens and used these : https://www.toolstation.com/techfast-hexwasher-self-drilling-roof-screw/p41407

They've grabbed nice and tight so hoping that the rubber washer does its job. Will report back in a week and let you know if I've had to re-tighten 👍

You don't need to drill holes as they are self tapping and the sharp point is a drill point.

Read the box 

Pre-Drilling is like using the neighbourhood bike 

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3 hours ago, Apw1210 said:

You don't need to drill holes as they are self tapping and the sharp point is a drill point.

Read the box 

Pre-Drilling is like using the neighbourhood bike 

I tried to drill them straight in but they kept slipping, hence the pilot holes.

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Wezza13  I also have a berlingo with gutter clips,  I used the C shape ones that support the gutter, screwed to the side of the van with the open side of the C facing upwards.

After a bit of trial and error I ended up using wood screws, (screws meant for chipboard if I remember rightly) and drilled the holes a bit under size, they grip really well and been in place about a year with no loosening.

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12 hours ago, Daftoldgit said:

Wezza13  I also have a berlingo with gutter clips,  I used the C shape ones that support the gutter, screwed to the side of the van with the open side of the C facing upwards.

After a bit of trial and error I ended up using wood screws, (screws meant for chipboard if I remember rightly) and drilled the holes a bit under size, they grip really well and been in place about a year with no loosening.

For steel and plastic substrates you need to use self tapping screws with a tighter pitch of thread. Wood / chipboard screws have a long helical thread because wood is soft and forms around it. 

If you want projects to work correctly research for fasteners and fixings 

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12 hours ago, Daftoldgit said:

My wood screws are screwed into bare metal, I wasn't really expecting it to work but it did!   the metal's quite thick in that area though.

 

Have tried wood screws previously but they came loose within a week.

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2 hours ago, wezza13 said:

Have tried wood screws previously but they came loose within a week.

Yes they back out due to vibration and movement. 

If you've ever brought a secondhand van before and noticed the ply lining kit IE flooring and panels are loose and the screws are proud or snapped off that's why.

I'm not slating those trying to get a job done but using the correct fastener and fixings is paramount 

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