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For some reason i have got into the horrible habit of over cleaning the glass in recent month. I normally agitate the same pane 4 times over!!! Its over kill! How many agitations do you guys get away with On a standard 4 or 8 weekly clean? Sometimes i feel like 2 isn't enough? Also does anyone know how to get out of this awful habit? Its been eating up my time during the shorter winter days. 

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steve garwood
7 minutes ago, Kieran h said:

For some reason i have got into the horrible habit of over cleaning the glass in recent month. I normally agitate the same pane 4 times over!!! Its over kill! How many agitations do you guys get away with On a standard 4 or 8 weekly clean? Sometimes i feel like 2 isn't enough? Also does anyone know how to get out of this awful habit? Its been eating up my time during the shorter winter days. 

On regular maintenance cleans, one swoop over is sufficient.

The way to get out of ‘the awful habit’ is to stop doing it 👍👨‍🦰

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It depends what’s on them , if covered in seagulls poo then it will need more passes than just a bit of dust , if salty again it will need more we dont have a hard and fast rule of how many times to go over a window I think it comes with experience you know what each window will need to get good results 

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steve garwood
31 minutes ago, Pjj said:

It depends what’s on them , if covered in seagulls poo then it will need more passes than just a bit of dust , if salty again it will need more we dont have a hard and fast rule of how many times to go over a window I think it comes with experience you know what each window will need to get good results 

Why don’t you get hot water? 🎣🙂

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1 hour ago, steve garwood said:

On regular maintenance cleans, one swoop over is sufficient.

The way to get out of ‘the awful habit’ is to stop doing it 👍👨‍🦰

What is this mythical maintenance clean you speak of? 🤔 I've never seen a window where one swoop would do the trick, maybe it's because I live on a small rock? I see brushes described as suitable for maintenance cleans and think to myself, move on, that's not the brush for me.

 

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steve garwood
21 minutes ago, Martyn said:

What is this mythical maintenance clean you speak of? 🤔 I've never seen a window where one swoop would do the trick, maybe it's because I live on a small rock? I see brushes described as suitable for maintenance cleans and think to myself, move on, that's not the brush for me.

 

My whole business is maintenance cleans. Nice and easy

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11 minutes ago, Martyn said:

What is this mythical maintenance clean you speak of? 🤔 I've never seen a window where one swoop would do the trick, maybe it's because I live on a small rock? I see brushes described as suitable for maintenance cleans and think to myself, move on, that's not the brush for me.

 

The mythical maintenance clean does exist. 😉 I'm about as far as inland as you can be in Britain. I rarely have to do more than just tickle the glass for about two or three very light agitations and a rinse down on the glass and of course a scrub on dried in stuff when needed. Brushes last me forever. I imagine it's a lot different near the sea but I have no personal experience.

 

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11 minutes ago, Davy G said:

The mythical maintenance clean does exist. 😉 I'm about as far as inland as you can be in Britain. I rarely have to do more than just tickle the glass for about two or three very light agitations and a rinse down on the glass and of course a scrub on dried in stuff when needed. Brushes last me forever. I imagine it's a lot different near the sea but I have no personal experience.

 

Most of our work in Cornwall is costal and covered in salt and seagulls poo which is greasy and takes a bit of scrubbing if baked on the glass for  a couple of weeks , we also do work up to London ,and find the windows there are different to clean as they are covered in traffic film this is also greasy but usually comes off quicker , we also do some more rural work near Bath and Bristol this is far easier and quicker than the other work we do it’s more dust based and comes off the glass easily ,so I think speed of work type of brushes needed will vary.

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steve garwood
57 minutes ago, Pjj said:

Most of our work in Cornwall is costal and covered in salt and seagulls poo which is greasy and takes a bit of scrubbing if baked on the glass for  a couple of weeks , we also do work up to London ,and find the windows there are different to clean as they are covered in traffic film this is also greasy but usually comes off quicker , we also do some more rural work near Bath and Bristol this is far easier and quicker than the other work we do it’s more dust based and comes off the glass easily ,so I think speed of work type of brushes needed will vary.

Maybe you should try hot water 🤔🎣

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Interesting feedback on my comments, probably only in the early summer do we get a fairly easy run before fly season starts. I guess it's the wind that's the main culprit.

 

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steve garwood
13 minutes ago, Pjj said:

Sounds like you are obsessed with hot water maybe you should try it yourself 😂😂😂

Had it for ten years 👍

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42 minutes ago, steve garwood said:

Maybe you should try hot water 🤔🎣

You have been doing a lot of fishing today, any bites 😉

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still bit confused about how much scrubbing and rinsing I should do. Currently I spend about 70% of the cleaning time scrubbing on each window then spend the rest 30% of cleaning time on rinsing. When I rinse, I start from the top left corner to the right then moving down doing zig zags. 

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Varies on how dirty surely, most of my work is 6 weekly maintenance cleans, so 4 passes along the top sideways just under the top frame, then up down, up down (so 4 passes) doing that across the glass, then 3 or 4 passes along the bottom sideways just above the bottom frames, 1 quick rinse, generally just along the top of the window, (unless it’s hydrophobic Then I’ll rinse to the bottom) but on a medium to high flow at the moment.

But I’ve got some 12 weeklys in ‘dirty areas’ lol, some take 3 times as much scrubbing. 

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Also you get those windows that slugs or snails seem to keep going all over, like they are lost or something. The marks dont always show up, depends on light etc, but they need proper elbow grease I find. 

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On 08/01/2021 at 18:01, Kieran h said:

For some reason i have got into the horrible habit of over cleaning the glass in recent month. I normally agitate the same pane 4 times over!!! Its over kill! How many agitations do you guys get away with On a standard 4 or 8 weekly clean? Sometimes i feel like 2 isn't enough? Also does anyone know how to get out of this awful habit? Its been eating up my time during the shorter winter days. 

If you think it needs more agitations then do more....better that then thinking you have walked away from a window wondering whether it is cleaned properly. And the awful habit is probably confidence in your ability I am afraid. Just my opinion and I am not an expert in how the brain works, but I reckon it is a confidence issue. But practice and experience sorts that out.

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On 10/01/2021 at 00:54, Amazin said:

still bit confused about how much scrubbing and rinsing I should do. Currently I spend about 70% of the cleaning time scrubbing on each window then spend the rest 30% of cleaning time on rinsing. When I rinse, I start from the top left corner to the right then moving down doing zig zags. 

No one is going to tell you exactly how you should clean your customer's windows wfp because there are too many variables.

Look at Darrans videos.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSQ9VL4EeZOBX3vgEQe5pIA

Look at Alex's tutorial

 

Here is another video

I used to clean a child care center run by the council. I did it over a weekend when the children weren't there. I was able to use a section of windows to try out various window cleaning techniques, different flow rates and different brushes.

I cleaned those windows every 4 weeks for 12 years. I found that the only successful way of cleaning them for me was a slightly higher flow rate, 2 passes across the glass and to rinse off the glass, even with a mono bristle brush (not flocked).

We live on the North Sea coast and our windows always have a greasy, salt sea spray film on them.

I once helped a fellow window cleaner whose van was off the road. The portion of work we did was some 10 miles inland. I found those windows much easier to clean. But I doubt I would have deviated from my 2 pass and rinse off technique. That's me. The cleaner I was working with in most cases did a 1 pass on the glass. He did however, pay special attention to any bird strikes etc starting at the bottom of the window working up. He made a very valid point when he said that we needed to inspect each window for bird strikes etc before we put the brush to it. That way we get an idea of how much work we need to do on that window. Some windows need more scrubbing where other need a quick wash and rinse.

This cleaner's standards are lower than mine but his customer's are happy with what he does. For example, he doesn't clean out the gap between the window frame and the sill. I do. But I find that sometimes it takes longer to clean and flush the muck out of the gap than it takes me to clean the whole window. I also carry a "Muc-off claw brush" from Halfords to ensure that gap is clean. He was shocked I bothered. He just wipes each downstairs sill which removes off any bits that escape from the gap.

I find I have got into a habit of over cleaning and rinsing, even on windows which don't need it. Perry Tait had another video out that is also worth a look at.

BTW, I'm not an advocate of Perry Tait. He isn't a window cleaner and never has been. He's a salesman. If there was more money in selling tomatoes then he would sell them.

If cleaning that window takes you 90 seconds, then next time try to clean it in 60 seconds. (Just count time off - one thousand and one, one thousand and 2, etc.) Then try to reduce it a bit more. But just work on that window so you can go back and inspect it to ensure the job is right to your and your customer's standards.

There is your standards influenced by your work ethic and your customers standards. I always try to ensure my standards are higher than my customer's standards as my reputation is based on that.

When you swap over to wfp you will have to work through major doubting spells that you have done the right thing. The house you cleaned in 20 minutes trad has now taken twice as long on your first wfp clean. Its happened to all of us. Stick with it and slowly increase speed as you get more experience. It's the old baby example. You can't run before you have learnt to crawl and walk. Don't stress out about the time its taking you. Speed comes with experience. To gain experience takes time.

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