smearclear
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What would you pay an employee off the cards self employed paying his own tax As a window cleaner.
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£15 an hour....take it or leave it...so £75 a day(I only work 5 hour days)....What would you pay an employee off the cards self employed paying his own tax As a window cleaner.
Personally I think the way to stay motivated is working short days(eg 9am-3pm with an hour for lunch/brew time)I used to be self employed working for another cleaner, just 3 days a week. I was on £100 a day basic, and 20% of anything over £300 we did. Think we did a few good long £400 days. Back in 2014 this is. I was happy with the wage and thought it was fair. The extra small bonus scheme really kept me motivated towards the end of the day.
i had to drive myself to his house, send him invoices end of each week and pay my own tax etc.
Yeah that’s fair enough, I guess if you’re more, how do I politely say.... an old fart no I mean not so young and youthful anymore and done your share of ‘the grind’ then yeah fair play to you to get in a position where you only work 5-6 hours a day with a good wage. ? That’s my plan in 15 years when I’m in my 40s with a full time lad in his own van.Personally I think the way to stay motivated is working short days(eg 9am-3pm with an hour for lunch/brew time)
I work much more efficiently with only a set time to do my work in and dont suffer from burn out like some window cleaners do after many years window cleaning....
Lol yesterday we started at 07.00 and finished at 21:00 , today started at 07:00 and finished at 18:30 doing windows, tomorrow we are doing a few plastic cleans so will be 8:00 till 17:30 and Friday a big softwashing job and conservatory clean 8:00 to approx 18:00 ??? now booking add on jobs into July , trying to organise another van and a couple of guys to help out as we are booking far more work than we are able to deal with , picked up 3 ,5 bed detached house softwash jobs , plastic clean , conservatory , pressure washing of paths patios and drives all in the same road ????, they are big places and are about 2:5 days work per job for 2 guysPersonally I think the way to stay motivated is working short days(eg 9am-3pm with an hour for lunch/brew time)
I work much more efficiently with only a set time to do my work in and dont suffer from burn out like some window cleaners do after many years window cleaning....
An employee is exactly that. Employed by you. You pay his National ins, tax, holiday pay etc.What would you pay an employee off the cards self employed paying his own tax As a window cleaner.
Surely if you are going to use self employed people, they will state an hourly rate to you as a minimum they will work for, we did back in the day when duct erecting on 715 ticket£15 an hour if they’re self employed.
We used to state £240 a day for the pair of us, and we would do x amount of work a day. So back then I'm talking mid 80s ,we said we would put up 9mtr a day. So I'd think it would be x amount of property per day for the price self employed set.Surely if you are going to use self employed people, they will state an hourly rate to you as a minimum they will work for, we did back in the day when duct erecting on 715 ticket
Being self employed they will pay own tax, water, diesel, expenses, so they need to cover those and earn a decent wage.We used to state £240 a day for the pair of us, and we would do x amount of work a day. So back then I'm talking mid 80s ,we said we would put up 9mtr a day. So I'd think it would be x amount of property per day for the price self employed set.
Ask yourself ,if you was self employed, running your own van, etc ,what would you work for, I bet you wouldnt get out of bed for 15 quid n hr. Be a minimum of 25 to 30. . Though if you are supplying van ,fuel water etc, 15 quid is a fair hourly rateBeing self employed they will pay own tax, water, diesel, expenses, so they need to cover those and earn a decent wage.
Of course you can, but if that worker doesn't pay his or her tax and NI then you're liable for it. Thats why the CIS scheme exists in the construction industry, they tax the worker and pay it directly to the revenue, the worker then gets a rebate when they do their tax return. It appears to me the IR35 scheme is just a more complex version of this, essentially extending the scheme across different industries. If someone is a worker they are entitled to holiday pay the same as a normal employee, thats what Uber just got stung on in court.Even under the new rules you can still have a worker do work for you as self employed even if they solely do work for you.
The main difference now I believe is before they went after the Employee, now they will go after the Employer for the NI etc.Of course you can, but if that worker doesn't pay his or her tax and NI then you're liable for it. Thats why the CIS scheme exists in the construction industry, they tax the worker and pay it directly to the revenue, the worker then gets a rebate when they do their tax return. It appears to me the IR35 scheme is just a more complex version of this, essentially extending the scheme across different industries. If someone is a worker they are entitled to holiday pay the same as a normal employee, thats what Uber just got stung on in court.
It's more than just that though. It's the pensions regulation now on top of it, if they are deemed employed by hmrc; the pensions regulator can also come down on you and stamp on your head whilst your down with up to a 25k fine for not enrolling an employee.Even under the new rules you can still have a worker do work for you as self employed even if they solely do work for you.