Jump to content

Don't want to see ads? Become a subscribed member.

Starting New Round


Guest jaywig

Recommended Posts

Guest jaywig

Hi,

 

I'm tired of my office job so I'm looking at dropping down to part time hours and building up a window cleaning round. I'll be doing the cleaning using WFP and will do windows, conservatory roofs and gutters.

 

As I'm going to be building up the round from scratch I know it's going to take a lot of hard work and perseverance. I have worked for other window cleaners in the past so have a good idea on the work involved.

 

I was intending on starting up at the end of winter / beginning of spring next year but have been chatting to a friend who is a window cleaner and he thinks I should start canvassing now.

 

What do you think? Should I start now and work hard through the winter or wait until winter is out of the way and start next Spring?

Link to comment

no time like the present.Find that people that want their windows cleaned during winter will normally stick with you,while those you get during the summer may drop off in the winter.If you can get though the winter youll find the summer months easy

Link to comment

no time like the present.Find that people that want their windows cleaned during winter will normally stick with you,while those you get during the summer may drop off in the winter.If you can get though the winter youll find the summer months easy

 

I agree. Start canvassing like mad and you'll appreciate the work you've already put in by spring :)

Link to comment
Guest colinvansmith

Canvas, put leafllets out if you have a van and can afford it get it sign written, take out a free ad in your local yellow pages and on yell.com. Build a basicc website and start looking at window cleaning software this is all stuff that you will have to do sooner or later so best getting started now.

Link to comment
Guest colinvansmith

Hit the ground running. Be enthusiastic about getting work.

Simple flyers do the trick. Do not worry particularly about sign-writing a van, it's not a necessity imo.

 

 

I disagree i get 6 or 7 new jobs every week from people who have seen the sign writing on my van my van. After the intial outlay its vey effective marketing you will make back the outlay in less than a month.

Link to comment

I disagree. :|

At this early stage of his window cleaning company, when, let's be honest, his chances of giving up, or not succeeding are higher than they ever will be. The investment on paying for the sign to be written and the insurance increase for this improvement is not a clear stable one.

When winter is coming why invest more money than what is required, UNLESS ofcourse there are statistics that prove a signed van will be cost effective for canvassing amounts of work to run a business on.

When there are more important things for him to spend his money on at this stage in his business I'd not go spending it on signage.

TWO days ago he was debating wether to start business now or next year and you have him putting £100-200 on van signs. He'll have to create a business name to trade as, design a logo, have the sign designed and spend the money on having it put on, and his business hasn't got its first job. There are much better, wider, and proven ways for marketing, and area specific.

Link to comment
Guest colinvansmith

I disagree. :|

At this early stage of his window cleaning company, when, let's be honest, his chances of giving up, or not succeeding are higher than they ever will be. The investment on paying for the sign to be written and the insurance increase for this improvement is not a clear stable one.

When winter is coming why invest more money than what is required, UNLESS ofcourse there are statistics that prove a signed van will be cost effective for canvassing amounts of work to run a business on.

When there are more important things for him to spend his money on at this stage in his business I'd not go spending it on signage.

TWO days ago he was debating wether to start business now or next year and you have him putting £100-200 on van signs. He'll have to create a business name to trade as, design a logo, have the sign designed and spend the money on having it put on, and his business hasn't got its first job. There are much better, wider, and proven ways for marketing, and area specific.

 

 

Absolute nonsense, He either want to start a business or not there is no grey area all in or all out. Sign writing £100 max. from signbuilder.co.uk, my vans are packed with sign writing £99 per van. Ask anyone with sign writing on there van if its effective. ask yourself the question why so many vans are sign written if its not a clear and effective way of gaining business and it a total myth that it affects your insurance, I've checked. Average 6 jobs a week without having to deliver one leaflet or chap one door you do the math, its a no brainer. As for creating a business name and logo its hardly rocker science :)

 

In this business you have to think how much you value your time work smart not hard as i have said i get six jobs on average per week for doing nothing. If i am out delivering leaflets to get 6 jobs i probably have to deliver 600+ leaflets thats at least three hours of my time at a cost of £35 an hour = £105 add to this figure The cost of the leaflets if you are printing your self your talking £10 for paper and £20 for ink. total cost £135 Once they have ran out you have the whole expense again. as with canvassing your talking around 5 hours worth at a cost of £160 where as with sign writing it permanent and when you add in the hassle factor of walking around chapping doors or delivering how can you tell me it not worth it. I'm not saying don't deliver leaflets or canvass but sign writing is top priority. ken i reckon your business model may be flawed. Is your van sign written.

Link to comment

Theres no getting through.

Not sign-writing the van = Flawed business model? No.

A business model cannot be flawed on that, do not try to put me down. I said i disagree, you say "absolute nonsense" like the boss.

No, brains. It might not be "rocker science", to make a logo and sign write a van, but it's a lot when you don't know which route your window cleaning may go.

He could be driving his van round all day past people and houses with clean windows, whereas he can look in estates without clean windows and canvas...

Last week, 20 minutes I spent on one street I noticed had mucky windows, 25houses(+/-).

Picked up one house there and then, £12.50 pm (it didnt take me 20minutes to put leaflets through doors, it took that long because I was talking to a new customer).

I did the math, I know that regardless of wether my vans sat on my drive or on the street, that with leaflets in peoples houses, I've reached my prospective customers.

And as regards how much I value my time in this business; I can't clean windows in particularly bad weather at times, and I don't see me at work in the evenings, so my time in these circumstances isn't worth much money to me, so I do not see me wasting money with my time, in the middle of my day, my time is worth money, when I don't, won't or can't work, my time isn't.

My van is being sign-written this month actually, but may I ask, how much money, or time do you waste sleeping at ***ht? :)

Link to comment
Guest colinvansmith

Theres no getting through.

Not sign-writing the van = Flawed business model? No.

A business model cannot be flawed on that, do not try to put me down. I said i disagree, you say "absolute nonsense" like the boss.

No, brains. It might not be "rocker science", to make a logo and sign write a van, but it's a lot when you don't know which route your window cleaning may go.

He could be driving his van round all day past people and houses with clean windows, whereas he can look in estates without clean windows and canvas...

Last week, 20 minutes I spent on one street I noticed had mucky windows, 25houses(+/-).

Picked up one house there and then, £12.50 pm (it didnt take me 20minutes to put leaflets through doors, it took that long because I was talking to a new customer).

I did the math, I know that regardless of wether my vans sat on my drive or on the street, that with leaflets in peoples houses, I've reached my prospective customers.

And as regards how much I value my time in this business; I can't clean windows in particularly bad weather at times, and I don't see me at work in the evenings, so my time in these circumstances isn't worth much money to me, so I do not see me wasting money with my time, in the middle of my day, my time is worth money, when I don't, won't or can't work, my time isn't.

My van is being sign-written this month actually, but may I ask, how much money, or time do you waste sleeping at ***ht? :)

 

 

Firstly areas with clean windows does not mean there are no customers, as people move, sack there old window cleaner, maybe usually do it themselves but can be bothered too anymore, if we all used your logic and just trageted areas where we find dirty windows we wouldn't have any customers at all.

 

Secondly if your van isn't sign written how can you possibly advise people it is not effective or worth doing at the start, as you have no comparison, one can only be led to believe that you write posts on this forum without having prior knowledge on what your writing about this would suggest that rather than helping people who are starting out you are instead hindering them and thats not what this forum is for, my advice to you is do your homework before you start writing.

 

Finally, Any time i am sleeping at ***ht is obviously not wasted time as my body is resting and recuperating ready for the next day, basic biology really :)

Link to comment

Firstly areas with clean windows does not mean there are no customers, as people move, sack there old window cleaner, maybe usually do it themselves but can be bothered too anymore, if we all used your logic and just trageted areas where we find dirty windows we wouldn't have any customers at all.

Firstly, yes, thousands of people are moving in an out of estates, and sacking their window cleaner EACH WEEK!! Lol. And my logic of targetting area's with mucky windows etc is the same logic MOST window cleaners use, at is is THE logic.

Secondly if your van isn't sign written how can you possibly advise people it is not effective or worth doing at the start, as you have no comparison, one can only be led to believe that you write posts on this forum without having prior knowledge on what your writing about this would suggest that rather than helping people who are starting out you are instead hindering them and thats not what this forum is for, my advice to you is do your homework before you start writing.

Want to hear my homework col? I worked for 8 years of my window cleaning life with management of large window cleaning companies(with sign written vans), and have a very good idea of where ALL WORK came from for atleast 3 YEARS, as I was in charge of 80% of the work, and worked on 100% of the work. Do I really need to give you all the experience of life for you to believe I have a good idea of what window cleaning? Would you like me to give you every new job the company got, and where the job came from? Every argument you make is based on the ASSUMPTION that I have no idea what i'm talking about. I do. Enjoy.

Finally, Any time i am sleeping at ***ht is obviously not wasted time as my body is resting and recuperating ready for the next day, basic biology really :)

I know it's a Saturday and all but that doesn't mean you can relax too much to not realise I'm being sarcastic.

 

:)

 

Oh, i'm getting my van sign written now, for the sake of professionalism, I've picked up enough work without, I've said more about my life and backed up everything I've said more than you, so I see no need to say more, until you do.

Link to comment
Guest colinvansmith

lol, touched a nerve I see, I'm too busy to keep going back and forth with you, its clear to me that you don't seem to be able to back up anything your saying with anything logical. I Suspect that once you have been driving for a few weeks with your van sign written it will become evident that what I have being saying all along makes clear and concise sense. However I feel that you still won't admit to being wrong probably even to yourself as i can only take from what i have been reading that your the type of person who never admits fault but i think you'll find in the world of business and life in general that this will hinder any potential future success. I therefore wish you good luck for the future. I reckon you need it.

Link to comment

lol.

thanks pro.

 

You say "that you don't seem to be able to back up anything your saying with anything logical."

 

I've backed up what I've said more than you, it's easy to see.

And regards logic, I make far much more sense than you.

It's hard to imagine you are so short sighted.

Link to comment
Guest colinvansmith

lol, "i've backed up what i've said more than you" what are we back in the school playground....... The size of my business speaks for itself, I rest my case. as i've said good luck you need it :)

Link to comment

lol, "i've backed up what i've said more than you" what are we back in the school playground....... The size of my business speaks for itself, I rest my case. as i've said good luck you need it :)

 

Tell us more on the size of your business.

You've never told me much about it.

Have you?

How many vans do you have, for starters?

 

And no, we're not in a school playground, but your arrogance and reluctance to back anything up is why I made that statement.

Link to comment
Guest colinvansmith

lol, "i've backed up what i've said more than you" what are we back in the school playground....... The size of my business speaks for itself, I rest my case. as i've said good luck you need it :)

 

Tell us more on the size of your business.

You've never told me much about it.

Have you?

How many vans do you have, for starters?

 

And no, we're not in a school playground, but your arrogance and reluctance to back anything up is why I made that statement.

 

 

Long story short I started my business from scratch with no previous window cleaning experience 2.5 years ago i now have 2 vans one of which is fairly new and 4 employees. My business is not massive but so far i've grown it fairly effectivlel and quickly my mantra is alway 'work smart not hard'

 

read back the posts, I have given explanations for anything i have written and i don't write anything unless i know at least something of what i'm writing about about.

 

Now i could be wrong here but i think most would agree that to say a general statement that for example sign writing is not worth it and i know thats not exactly what you said but the jist of it was you don't think its worth doing at the start, and you say this without ever having had a van sign written therefore can't know how effective or ineffective it may be. yet you say it anyway that my friend is true arrogance if not ignorance by definition.

Link to comment

Do you not read? I've worked for longer in sign written vans and dealt with peoples calls for quotes longer than you've worked a squeegee.

I said, before he knows wether he's really making a proper go at window cleaning, sign writing his van is not top priority, you read whatever snippets of my posts but not every sentence, which is evident.

 

Just because for this last year i've not worked in a sign written van, does not make me not know what i'm talking about.

You haven't read half of my words, otherwise I wouldn't have to type this.

Link to comment

Don't want to see ads? Become a subscribed member.


Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Restore formatting

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue.

Ad Blocker Detected

Please disable your ad blocker

Our forum relies on ads to pay for the servers and our time maintaining and running the forum.

Sadly running a forum like this is not free, and due to our popularity, we need servers that can handle the amount of traffic and resources our forum uses.

 

If you do not wish to see ads on our site, please consider supporting the forum with a membership subscription.

 

Accept