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Pjj
6 hours ago, Cleanco said:

My van finance and fuel alone come to over 400 a month. Then you’ve got tax, mot, servicing, general maintenance, insurance, employees liability insurance, public liability insurance, round management software fees, fees for payment processing, accountant fees, equipment maintenace and replacement. The list goes on and there’s probs things I don’t even know about once you get to a certain size. Maybe you could get a little more work out of an employee but I wouldn’t like to build a sizeable plan on the basis that every employee is going to be able to do as much as I can. Don’t forget that we have been doing this a very long time. I thought that bar the wages I had been quite leanient with my predictions and that’s all they are as I was just putting it out there in hope that someone that’s implementing a multivan op could tell me otherwise as I may look into expanding again if the profit margins were right for me. 

Also I’d like to add that I think you would most certainly need a separate premises to run the business from as I certainly wouldn’t want a fleet of vans queing down my street waiting to fill their tanks ready for the next day and even if you let the lads take the vans home I wouldn’t expect them to fill using their own water. 

 

 

Greens comments are spot on i dont seam to agree with him often unfortunately 😂😂😂 but what he has said is 100% right , I know of several operators near me that run multi van operations from home , I accept they have houses with off road parking but we run two vans like this and I know others do it with up to 10 vans , there is no need for a buisness premesis again greens way buy a bigger house with a bit of land if it’s available where you live is the way to go it’s a win win , I live on a housing estate and can get 5 vehicles on my drive with ease . I see you have been in business for 20 years that’s the same as me we run two vans and I could easily expand and have at least 4 more but Ime not intrested in further expansion , I am suprised that someone with that amount of experience seams to be so unsure of expenses , the figures you have come up with I don’t spend that on running costs with two vans and the oldest one is 4 years old , I think rhetorical questions you need to be looking at are pricing of jobs , if one guy can only do £300 per day either he’s sitting in the van all afternoon drinking tea or the job prices are very low , again Ime not criticising your way of doing things but I have lots of friends running businesses like this from sloe traders to 12 van set ups and pricing is key as is getting the staff that want to work , offer realistic bonuses as has already been suggested providing they are achievable if the staff cannot do it you have the wrong staff , get rid off and get ones that can and will achieve the goals set that’s what I have done, give them a 3 month trial train them up how to do the job , it’s not that difficult we are only cleaning windows: plastic etc , you will go through a few staff to find the right ones but we know have very good staff that I can trust to go out and do the job to a high standard without supervision, there are lots of buisness running like this .its difficult to go from you as the owner doing Everton letting go and getting staff to do the job , years ago when I started sending staff to do jobs I got some complaints not that they had done a poor job but the customer wanted to see me there doing there properties I explained I cannot do everything, if they won’t accept that then they have to become an ex customer , expanding a buisness isn’t easy I found it hard to let go and get others to do what I had been doing it’s a leap of faith but with the right employees it will pay dividends , good luck. If you do go for it 

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Clisty1989

@Damo I'm surprised you've not added your insight? Don't you have loads of vans out?

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Damo
16 minutes ago, Clisty1989 said:

@Damo I'm surprised you've not added your insight? Don't you have loads of vans out?

 

I don’t employ bud, i franchised my business back in 2015. I have 5, with 6 and 7 on route within a couple of months 🙂 

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2 hours ago, Damo said:

 

I don’t employ bud, i franchised my business back in 2015. I have 5, with 6 and 7 on route within a couple of months 🙂 

Knew you had several vans out, wasn't sure how you went about it though. What made you decide franchise over employment if you don't mind me asking?

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Cleanco
17 hours ago, Pjj said:

 

 

Greens comments are spot on i dont seam to agree with him often unfortunately 😂😂😂 but what he has said is 100% right , I know of several operators near me that run multi van operations from home , I accept they have houses with off road parking but we run two vans like this and I know others do it with up to 10 vans , there is no need for a buisness premesis again greens way buy a bigger house with a bit of land if it’s available where you live is the way to go it’s a win win , I live on a housing estate and can get 5 vehicles on my drive with ease . I see you have been in business for 20 years that’s the same as me we run two vans and I could easily expand and have at least 4 more but Ime not intrested in further expansion , I am suprised that someone with that amount of experience seams to be so unsure of expenses , the figures you have come up with I don’t spend that on running costs with two vans and the oldest one is 4 years old , I think rhetorical questions you need to be looking at are pricing of jobs , if one guy can only do £300 per day either he’s sitting in the van all afternoon drinking tea or the job prices are very low , again Ime not criticising your way of doing things but I have lots of friends running businesses like this from sloe traders to 12 van set ups and pricing is key as is getting the staff that want to work , offer realistic bonuses as has already been suggested providing they are achievable if the staff cannot do it you have the wrong staff , get rid off and get ones that can and will achieve the goals set that’s what I have done, give them a 3 month trial train them up how to do the job , it’s not that difficult we are only cleaning windows: plastic etc , you will go through a few staff to find the right ones but we know have very good staff that I can trust to go out and do the job to a high standard without supervision, there are lots of buisness running like this .its difficult to go from you as the owner doing Everton letting go and getting staff to do the job , years ago when I started sending staff to do jobs I got some complaints not that they had done a poor job but the customer wanted to see me there doing there properties I explained I cannot do everything, if they won’t accept that then they have to become an ex customer , expanding a buisness isn’t easy I found it hard to let go and get others to do what I had been doing it’s a leap of faith but with the right employees it will pay dividends , good luck. If you do go for it 

Some good points there and as I mentioned earlier it’s refreshing to hear different opinions. I have been at it a while now but not always working for myself so I wouldn’t class myself as an expert on the business side of things. I did use my own figures to come up with the estimates but I inflated them a little as I thought there would be extra expenses involved when getting bigger and I also prefer to over estimate things rather than under. I’m still a little sceptical as to wether a new emoloyee with 0 experience and only the training being given could reach targets of around 4/500 or even 600 per day. I’m only getting that now on my higher priced commercial work. Maybe your right and it’s my prices on my smaller houses that aren’t up to scratch but I’m still averaging a good 50 per hour which I thought was quite reasonable. There is a guy near me that has I think 4/5 vans out but he specialises in commercial and another slightly bigger commercial op that does other types of cleaning as well as windows so maybe that’s were the money is. Don’t really know of any large scale domestic window cleaners apart from the nationals so I’d not much to go off until I came on here. Cheers for the insight, much appreciated. 

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Cleanco
8 hours ago, Damo said:

 

I don’t employ bud, i franchised my business back in 2015. I have 5, with 6 and 7 on route within a couple of months 🙂 

Would you say that franchising is the best way to go? I’ve never really looked into that. Not sure exactly how this works, do you charge them a monthly amount or do they just buy the franchise outright with one lump sum? I’m guessing whichever way there’s less expense involved as you won’t have to deal with the employee side of things. 

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6 hours ago, Clisty1989 said:

Knew you had several vans out, wasn't sure how you went about it though. What made you decide franchise over employment if you don't mind me asking?

 

Tried employing twice and got screwed both times. One stole work and the other landed me with complaints galore. 

 

It’s been a rollercoaster of a journey but cracked it in the last year or so now. 

 

Its very complicated if you want to do it correctly. 

2 minutes ago, Cleanco said:

Would you say that franchising is the best way to go? I’ve never really looked into that. Not sure exactly how this works, do you charge them a monthly amount or do they just buy the franchise outright with one lump sum? I’m guessing whichever way there’s less expense involved as you won’t have to deal with the employee side of things. 

 

Most work on investment and then a % of turnover, that’s how mine works as well. 

 

I wouldn’t say it the way to go it just depends on what you want from life. If you’re after as much money as possible then it would be employing, if you want a simpler life then it would be franchising. 

 

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Pjj
8 hours ago, Cleanco said:

Some good points there and as I mentioned earlier it’s refreshing to hear different opinions. I have been at it a while now but not always working for myself so I wouldn’t class myself as an expert on the business side of things. I did use my own figures to come up with the estimates but I inflated them a little as I thought there would be extra expenses involved when getting bigger and I also prefer to over estimate things rather than under. I’m still a little sceptical as to wether a new emoloyee with 0 experience and only the training being given could reach targets of around 4/500 or even 600 per day. I’m only getting that now on my higher priced commercial work. Maybe your right and it’s my prices on my smaller houses that aren’t up to scratch but I’m still averaging a good 50 per hour which I thought was quite reasonable. There is a guy near me that has I think 4/5 vans out but he specialises in commercial and another slightly bigger commercial op that does other types of cleaning as well as windows so maybe that’s were the money is. Don’t really know of any large scale domestic window cleaners apart from the nationals so I’d not much to go off until I came on here. Cheers for the insight, much appreciated. 

 

 

If you are doing £50 per hour that’s good , there is no reason after a bit of time and training an employee should with in reason be able to do the same . I agree it’s always better to over estimate expenses than under . We are probably 70-80% domestic the rest is commercial, out of choise I would just do commercial but down hear there isn’t as much of it to be able to do that .  We lost a commercial contract years ago just beacause the company decided to go with national contractors 25k is a lot to loose , we did get the contract back 3 years later and have been doing it for the last 10 + years but it’s a big hit , I learned a valuable lesson don’t put all your eggs in one basket with work , I think the best is a mix of domestic and commercial, I now view domestic as bread and butter work and commercial as a nice extra but if I loose it it won’t put me out of buisness 

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