Are window cleaners still allowed to work during Coronavirus (Covid-19)?

[Aqua]

I think there is far too much judging going on in this forum by some people. None of us know other people's positions as to the need for them to work so to say its "morally wrong" for someone to work I really think is too far. 

Personally I did 3 large isolated jobs yesterday that I pre arranged with, turned up cleaned left and they pay online. Not for one second did I feel worried about getting infected or passing it on. 

As a contrast tho later on I went to the supermarket and the whole time I felt mildly terrified as people suddenly appeared right next to me and every item I picked up I wondered who had touched it before me. I know you can say getting food is essential but to some still working may be. 

I've decided that yesterday is my last day as I'm happy I can now get by ok and feel pressures by others opinions. 

Do work or don't work as long as those that do are very careful and the customers are happy with it no one should be saying its "mostly wrong" in my opinion. 

Just respect each other guys. 

 

[Part Timer]

Im sorry but on this there is no excuse for everyone has an opinion part timer ……….yes they do but go and tell that to the copper that's going to stop you from going down the street for the wrong reason according to you "everyone has a right to an opinion" .

The point where everyone has a right to an opinion becomes morally wrong is when people have an opinion that are killing other people either intentionally or unintentionally .I think you will find in situations like this people have to get through to others that what they are doing is morally WRONG . This is when countries go to war etc etc its usually over morals and humanity issues, a bit dramatic I know but the point is the same .

And on a personal note I don't shout actually I use caps to underline serious points as I feel some people miss them but I do agree caps is looked at as shouting .

And on another point you told me to " PIPEDOWN " and others on here liked your post . Just because you have been around along time on this forum and I have but don't post much ….you get backed up by all your regular mates ………...IT DOESNT MAKE YOU RIGHT OR THE MOD RIGHT ( SORRY SHOUTING AGAIN ) .

And whats nice is looking at more recent posts the tide is turning to prove I was morally right on my statements and its nice to know im not on my own as I was beginning to lose all hope .

You are starting to sound like a rabid dictator, I respect your opinion even though I disagree with it. You are trying to deny people theirs by bullying and shouting. Freedom of speech is allowed and trying to sensor it is morally wrong.

I told you to pipe down because, in my opinion, you were criticising people unfairly, the fact you didn't like being told just highlights your hypocrisy, I.e you can give it but not take it.

I have "liked" your more sensible posts,  most people on here like posts because it reflects their opinion as well, not because they're "mates"

Your last paragraph tells me a lot about you and you're mindset. Good luck on your "moral crusade" but expect construcrive criticism from me if, in my opinion, you're wrong.

 

[fast_muchly]

You are starting to sound like a rabid dictator, I respect your opinion even though I disagree with it. You are trying to deny people theirs by bullying and shouting. Freedom of speech is allowed and trying to sensor it is morally wrong.

I told you to pipe down because, in my opinion, you were criticising people unfairly, the fact you didn't like being told just highlights your hypocrisy, I.e you can give it but not take it.

I have "liked" your more sensible posts,  most people on here like posts because it reflects their opinion as well, not because they're "mates"

Your last paragraph tells me a lot about you and you're mindset. Good luck on your "moral crusade" but expect construcrive criticism from me if, in my opinion, you're wrong.

I give up over and out 

 

[Window master]

Well you can not work now! The plan is in place. If you work you can not bake a claim only from the date you stop working. I’m in deep trouble. Feel so low I have money but decided in Jan to clear all debts if I new this is be ok and have kept my money. I am now asking my family to help me and I’ll pay them back. I’m hoping in 4 to 6 weeks the laws may relax and we can go back out maybe? There will be sine whom work and out in a claim.  I’m my area window cleaners are killing their name this morning as pics of working with van band and hoards of people laughing in disbelief. No way would I go out but more importantly I won’t work to say I helped fight this and save lives and mostly protect my kids.  No need to argue guys. Just so what you do and live with it. Hope everyone is safe and your families, just put protection 1st I would say. The Gov have shafted ya big time but we ain’t gonna change that. 

 

[Iron Giant]

Add your last 3 years profit, divide by 12 then multiply by 0.8. The longer way is add last 3 years profit, divide by 36 then times by 3 then times by 0.8

Yours should be somewhere close to £10k

Now now Vorderman don't try and confuse me ? spoke to my accountant earlier as I couldn't lay my hands on all my exact figures, my working out was only £188 over his, as I couldn't remember what we did with the cost of the van purchase,

he also stated that as I couldn't work I would be entitled to the grant if I took a job that would just see an adjustment once I filed a tax return and self employed status wouldn't be effected as I would be returning to the business, he was able to just explain a bit better what I already knew as they have had as much info as us currently, he said he would update if needed once they have got all the detailed information themselves 

 

[Andrew called my Father]

Maybe this may help you make up your mind as to whether you should work or not...........

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/girl-16-no-health-conditions-21764238

 

[Tormato]

Well you can not work now! The plan is in place. If you work you can not bake a claim only from the date you stop working. I’m in deep trouble. Feel so low I have money but decided in Jan to clear all debts if I new this is be ok and have kept my money. I am now asking my family to help me and I’ll pay them back. I’m hoping in 4 to 6 weeks the laws may relax and we can go back out maybe? There will be sine whom work and out in a claim.  I’m my area window cleaners are killing their name this morning as pics of working with van band and hoards of people laughing in disbelief. No way would I go out but more importantly I won’t work to say I helped fight this and save lives and mostly protect my kids.  No need to argue guys. Just so what you do and live with it. Hope everyone is safe and your families, just put protection 1st I would say. The Gov have shafted ya big time but we ain’t gonna change that. 

Maybe it will relax in a few weeks but that's wishful thinking on my behalf. I've heard some say we will go into these lockdown's then out of them for a long time. There's some mathematical science behind it all that is beyond my calculator. The only maths for you right now is money matters. I hope they revise their deal again for ones who are a victim of bad timing like you. Again wishful thinking maybe. 

What bugs me is seeing celebrities making stupid instagram video's from inside their mansions thinking it's all some big jolly. 

 

[Markyboy 50]

On a different note, with all this isolating does this mean the flu and the common cold will also die? 

 

[Iron Giant]

How could we catch it from a customer? I'm talking of wfp work so we are outside and don't even touch there windows. That's why Scotland is still allowing us out.

I must have missed Scotlands first minister saying how they will remove all gates and fences from peoples houses so window cleaners and gardeners can crack on regardless, you have a financial income that a great many people across the UK don't, aside from your business, from what I have understood from things you have said in the past you could manage not working

I know people with kids that need to work to provide for their families with no real help as £70+ a week from the government don't cut it at all, household bills with rent food etc easily hit 1k a month for most people across the UK more so those with kids. 

 

[bretney]

May I politely ask to both new and old window cleaners, what are/were your contingency plans if you was to break a leg or hospitalise yourselves ? I’m sure you all have thought about this before you began working on your own 

 

[Pjj]

How? Clean WFP, BACS transfers only, don't see or talk to clients. Really can't think of anything with a lower risk of virus transfer.

Problem is at the moment kids off school nice weather they cannot go out so where are they ?..in the garden at home ,that’s when the window cleaner turns up , and they all have to go indoors , I don’t think many will be to happy about that , I certainly wouldn’t be it’s not nessasary or essential work , if some one has a burst pipe spewing water everywhere then an emergency plumber would need to go and deal with that , but dirty windows isn’t a priority at the moment , 

 

[NoName]

This debate is just going round in circles - the laws as it stands is clear - that didn't just happen - but has been written to reflect the WHOLE picture Virus yes - People's freedoms yes - Economy - yes -  it's currently in the Lords - but will go thru.

So we should all stop trying to claim our position is more virtuous than another's.

Obey the law - end of (and before one and all repost - go and READ what it actually says not someone's brother's sister, neighbours thinks but what the Gov is telling you and me - read it, digest and do whatever is legal for YOU and your circumstances's

 

[fast_muchly]

May I politely ask to both new and old window cleaners, what are/were your contingency plans if you was to break a leg or hospitalise yourselves ? I’m sure you all have thought about this before you began working on your own 

What a clever post ? exactly my point ……...bang on mate 

 

[mike007]

Hopefully we will get over the severe part in a couple of Months if we adhere to the self isolation advice from the Health experts. Thing is much longer and people are going to rebel against it. So  lets try and stop it in it,s tracks now. It will go away, but these measures will hopefully make it happen quicker.

 

[Aqua]

May I politely ask to both new and old window cleaners, what are/were your contingency plans if you was to break a leg or hospitalise yourselves ? I’m sure you all have thought about this before you began working on your own 

Some may have been forced into self employment so no they may not have been able to come up with such plans. 

Like I keep saying we can't all judge others from our positions because they may have very different ones. 

 

[fast_muchly]

This debate is just going round in circles - the laws as it stands is clear - that didn't just happen - but has been written to reflect the WHOLE picture Virus yes - People's freedoms yes - Economy - yes -  it's currently in the Lords - but will go thru.

So we should all stop trying to claim our position is more virtuous than another's.

Obey the law - end of (and before one and all repost - go and READ what it actually says not someone's brother's sister, neighbours thinks but what the Gov is telling you and me - read it, digest and do whatever is legal for YOU and your circumstances's

No one is trying to be more virtuous than anyone its not a competition its just about stopping people going out and spreading the disease under the guise of I must work as I cant feed my kids .

Look at the end of the day like the bloke said earlier ………..what if you break your leg …………….how will you cope when the proper lockdown comes along. 

We all find ways of getting by whatever that maybe.

The fact is we should not be working and spreading this disease for whatever reason , there is not a good reason to carry on working that isn't being morally superior and im better than you its a fact !!

And the sooner some wise old heads get that In their head on here the better .

 

[mike007]

May I politely ask to both new and old window cleaners, what are/were your contingency plans if you was to break a leg or hospitalise yourselves ? I’m sure you all have thought about this before you began working on your own 

The bad weather over the last 4 or so months cost me. But knew would be back on track now with the weather like it is now and customers wanting their windows cleaned.....and along came Coronavirus, have to admit I had not forecasted that one!

 

[Iron Giant]

As most of you know we have decided not to work at this time , but a friend of mine had this experience this afternoon, when reading this experience just remember that the guy is the meekest non confrontational person you could meet . 

He was driving out into the country to do some remote jobs , there was a police road block , he gets stoped and asked where he is going and why ,he explained and was told in no uncertain terms to go home , he showed the coppers the bits that Nicola stergion and heath secrecy had said and government advice ,and was told don’t try and tell us the law that’s out job he said they have had instructions from government that unnessasary work isn’t allowed and window cleaning isn’t nessasary , he was told if he continued to argue he would get a £30 fine this time and that his details are now in a data base and each time he gets stoped the fine increases so £30 first time £60 second and so on , they were checking everyone’s details and until they could prove who someone was they were held at the side of the road by armed police , Ime not making any judgement on this but thought I would share what has happened , has anyone else experienced anything like this ?. 

Not wc related, my wife is a health care worker and her and another member of staff have to go to the local Asda to get some resident's shopping twice a week, they are uniformed and carry work id and went within the allowable time for them they went straight past over 50 people queuing to be told by a burly female security guard back of the queue nhs only, my wife told her in no uncertain terms to go get the manager asap 2 minutes later she came back with her down saying they could go in, when they were leaving the security was all nicey nicey and apologised, my wife is 5ft nowt but she don't take no ? from no one. 

 

[Aqua]

No one is trying to be more virtuous than anyone its not a competition its just about stopping people going out and spreading the disease under the guise of I must work as I cant feed my kids .

Look at the end of the day like the bloke said earlier ………..what if you break your leg …………….how will you cope when the proper lockdown comes along. 

We all find ways of getting by whatever that maybe.

The fact is we should not be working and spreading this disease for whatever reason , there is not a good reason to carry on working that isn't being morally superior and im better than you its a fact !!

And the sooner some wise old heads get that I nthere head on here the better .

What happened to over and out then?? 

 

[fast_muchly]

What happened to over and out then?? 

That was just to part timer …..ive stopped arguing with him not because I cant make a point there just is no point carrying on with him at all.

 

[Tormato]

The bad weather over the last 4 or so months cost me. But knew would be back on track now with the weather like it is now and customers wanting their windows cleaned.....and along came Coronavirus, have to admit I had not forecasted that one!

You're right. No one prepares for a pandemic in any future financial planning. This could go on for a lot longer than any broken arm fund can handle. Can you imagine telling people before all this that you put a few quid aside for a pandemic?  They'd think you were barking mad. It's fair to say we will though in the future.  It's caught the whole world out. ( Apart from a few expert virologists who no one listened to, scaremongers etc)