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Reach N Shine (Kent)

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Reach N Shine (Kent)

Well I decided 2 weeks ago to bite the bullet. I have worked as employed by a window cleaning company for 8 months, I have been thinking for a while 'I can do this on my own'o_O after researching alot into starting up as a sole trader, I worked my notice and ending my job last Friday, tempting to start on my own today, didnt go to plan so first day knocking will be tomorrow. Everything is set up in the van (water fed pole system), tank filled today, website is live, just need customers. Being scared is a understatement with a family of 5 and jumping from security to the unknown, so any help or advise would be much appreciated. As you can tell I do talk alot :whistle: so talking to potential customers isnt a issue, but what i am stumped on is which is the easiest way to keep a planner of eek to week without a software (yet). Thanks all and hopefully will learn alot from this forum. :thumbsup:

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Elliot

Good luck . Book. And pen and diary .

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steve garwood

Howdie and congratulations on being the millionth newbie this week. Never seen so many people wanting to be windies :eek:

Good luck

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Damo666

Hello and good luck, if I were you I would try to buy some work from other wc to start you off, knock as much as possible, post some flyers and keep fingers crossed. Buying is the quickest way to get work but obviously is the most expensive as well

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Reach N Shine (Kent)

Yea that was one of my big decision thought as this time of year everyone comes out the wood work and a little bit of sun and there's 25 new window cleaners knocking doors on one road, it's a big gamble but hey ho gotta be in it to win it..

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TolishAPurd

Pound the streets, advertise, and do everything you can to get work, but dont go in cheap or you'll regret it. Dont worry about how to organise your work right now, its the least of your worries, pen an notebook will do the jon for a good while. Good luck to you.

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chris clean

Good luck mate if you work hard and do a good job you have no worries

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Guest boarcity

"put out several lines in the water" [in the search for work]

 

keep that phrase in your mind- you wont go far wrong then

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Green Pro Clean Ltd

Welcome.

Just wondering why you didnt canvass a few customers before quitting a secure job?

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Reach N Shine (Kent)
Welcome.

Just wondering why you didnt canvass a few customers before quitting a secure job?

 

Because I'm not that clever, that would mean I would've had to use common sense :thumbsdown:, let's call it a learning curve. Nothing ventured nothing gained and all that.

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Green Pro Clean Ltd

Ok. And lastly why did day one already become an excuse for not knocking?

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Reach N Shine (Kent)
Ok. And lastly why did day one already become an excuse for not knocking?

 

Because my daughter was really ill, only excuse not to work is my family.

 

Thanks for the warm welcome tho.... I think :thumbsdown:

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Green Pro Clean Ltd

The welcome is warm as always @Reach N Shine \(Kent\) and of course family comes first.

 

What you will learn however and come to be amazed at over time is how many people quit a job or become redundant and go get all the gear before even getting a single customer.

 

Then when the cold reality of knocking doors is upon them all of a sudden there is an excuse for this and an excuse for that and within the month they are looking for job security once again.

 

So I only ask to see if you're planning on staying. :)

 

And seriously, hope the kids well again.

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Reach N Shine (Kent)
The welcome is warm as always @Reach N Shine \(Kent\) and of course family comes first.

 

What you will learn however and come to be amazed at over time is how many people quit a job or become redundant and go get all the gear before even getting a single customer.

 

Then when the cold reality of knocking doors is upon them all of a sudden there is an excuse for this and an excuse for that and within the month they are looking for job security once again.

 

So I only ask to see if you're planning on staying. :)

 

And seriously, hope the kids well again.

 

Completely in for the long haul, I used to be a door to door sales man so I know exactly what to expect, but luckily I have the attitude of each no leads to a yes, I have a small handful of customers which I was doing privately while employed as a window cleaner.

 

Don't get me wrong I'm still scared to high heaven of the leap I have made, but determined to make it work.

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Luke Barnard

I'd say you're in a good position having done the work for a while and having already gone door2door. You've two skills that most new starters won't, and so what if there's lots of others out there doing it, nows a far better time to start than the depths of winter.

One thing I've considered since I started was what would have happened if I'd got my wife onboard with finding and organising my work? Don't get me wrong, I'd probably be telling you it's the worst idea in the world if I had but I should imagine my round would be twice the size it is now!!!

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adamangler

It's been the hardest and most frustrating thing I've done starting a business. It's not over yet but I'm over the initial hump of getting enough work to pay the bills. That's the hard bit how to transition from being employed to self employed with no savings on financial backing provides a bit of a challenge.

 

It's chucking it down with rain here BTW and shows no sign of stopping so looks like it's home soon. Another joy of the job

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Dave85

Good luck and yes it's a bit daunting leaving secure employment and setting up but I'm sure it will all work our.

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Reach N Shine (Kent)

I'm just glad they invented waterproofs and hot water for a bath When I'm home :thumbsup: first day knocking on doors and in 2 small roads 4 regular cleans and 3 cleaned today. Some may call it beginners luck but that's 4 more then what I started with :hehehe:

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David K

Lot of glass Out there for mad people Like us ! :D Welcome !:thumbsup:

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Adams0211
It's been the hardest and most frustrating thing I've done starting a business. It's not over yet but I'm over the initial hump of getting enough work to pay the bills. That's the hard bit how to transition from being employed to self employed with no savings on financial backing provides a bit of a challenge.

 

It's chucking it down with rain here BTW and shows no sign of stopping so looks like it's home soon. Another joy of the job

 

It's weird because I've found it the complete opposite. I've found it pretty easy and not at all frustrating. I was in secure (crap paying) employment when I started out and spent six months part time on the windows. I've been on my own for just over a year now and often think how stress free and easy my life is since making the switch. Out of interest, which parts have you found hard and frustrating?

 

 

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Green Pro Clean Ltd
Why didn't you steal good customers from previous employer ?

 

That's some moral code you have there D :thumbsdown:

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Reach N Shine (Kent)

Firstly because I'm not like that, plus most was bad payers and my round was miles away from where I live.

 

Also there was a Gentlemans agreement that I wouldn't approach customers all the time I was still employed.

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adamangler
It's weird because I've found it the complete opposite. I've found it pretty easy and not at all frustrating. I was in secure (**** paying) employment when I started out and spent six months part time on the windows. I've been on my own for just over a year now and often think how stress free and easy my life is since making the switch. Out of interest, which parts have you found hard and frustrating?

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using Window Cleaning Forums mobile app

 

Its ok now, i mean when starting out...

 

Well firstly when full time employed you can only clean so many windows so i went the part time job route first, that was a job in itself to find part time work, then it was hard stuck in the job when it was nice outside and sods law said it would be chucking it down when trying to clean windows, i had no savings so went from working in the car with a trolley to eventually getting a decent van and all the setup. i was/am competing with cleaners charging a fiver so canvassing or leafletting and facebook has been and still is a very slow process, ive had a lot of messers and bad payers. Ive paid 2 canvassers and both time have been a complete waste of time and money. Ive struggled with anxiety over canvassing (which im now over) and had no money in savings so was touch and go whether the bills would be paid at any given time especially when waiting for payments. Its getting easier now but im still some way off being totally stress free, i suppose it all boils down to financial security and when you havent got enough work or savings youre not going to be stress free whistling away

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Damo666

I worried about paying my bills almost every day when I started by myself but I soon learned there are 2 ways to treat this situation, either think about it all the time and give yourself loads of stress and headaches or just chill out take things 1 step at a time and enjoy it. The second option worked best for me but it has taken a while and I still sometimes worry about money, I took out a big loan to get my van, equipment and first customers. I now see my bills as motavation

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Whizz-Bizz

Lets talk about canvassing for Adam, mmmm where to start, ok prior to me coming up I had a long chat with the previous canvasser and knew my back was against the wall from the get go, I only went the 200+ miles because hes a forum member I arrived and could tell Adams been thru the mill with it, his head was down and everything just seemed like everything was against him, absolutely no belief. The previous chap to canvass for him went back twice and gave him the first ever refund to anyone that he gave out (respected canvasser too). So I knew it was going to be hard work, so I met up sorted out the money and off I went. I kid you not his area is horrendous, flippen rains from 8am until 8pm like non stop everyday. 5-10 different guys on a street, at £5 a whole house, I would never book a house for that. So anyway Im out knocking and not really getting anything other than scraps whilst out, and the few good 1s I got where just mumbled and bumbled there way thru by Adam, Example butch lady, knocked the door she goes good timing I just sacked the last guy for being rubbish he was £5 whole house (sigh from me) we are £10 ( im walking off ) and shes like thats fine if its a good job I want it. 1 clean sacked, I never have problems with customers paying and yet Adam did mmmm. This went on for a week or so, at the end of the week BEFORE I left I gave him £700 refund ( try getting that off my competitors ), I did that rather than going back because it really wasnt a viable option with Adam, staring down that same barrel of the previous canvasser, no thanks. I then requested the results back knowing that when I get on the phone Id find him at least £150, never got results back from him , despite numerous calls just had a text back saying no point, people only ever do that for 2 reasons theyve had too much money back or there worried about being exposed as innept. I even let him come out with me and gave him the training info for canvassing free of charge. Has anyone heard about that. No of course not, whys that ? heres why because he lacks the excellence of execution brought on by being beaten up by a horrible area and rather than admit that chooses to blame everyone. Now I happen to know that Damo666 has used the other guy Adams talking about numerous times and has recommended him in the past with no such issues. Im not having a pop at Adam but hes been moaning since November Ive bit my tongue enough. In closing Adam does give good advice on here and tried many things but hes been pretty savaged by a horrible horrible area and it does show with his approach with the customers. Heres another forum member Ive been working with alot lately

Thomas.z@hotmail.co.uk drop him an email ask him if hes had the issues Adam had.

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adamangler

I've never once had a go at you mark. I said it was a shit area and that you did your best. I only said it didn't work out which is true.

 

You left me with a list of about 200 quid of work that wernt ironed on. I rang or text all of them myself and got next to nothing back that's why I said there was no point you going thru it as I already had. It had nothing to do with having had too much money back, whilst from your side giving a 700 refund was a horrible result for you at the same time I still paid you 500 quid for about 50 quid in ongoing work, hardly a financial gain for me either. As for being inept thats just untrue, there's no need to get personal I mean I can pick holes in every little detail of our experience if you want...

 

I don't know how you can blame me for them not paying. Remember the one you had canvassed when u were with me was supposed to leave money under bin and it wasn't there. The guy pretended not to be in then after I'd cleaned walked past us and played dumb saying he'd pay online. Guess what he paid and cancelled later that day. The old woman you canvassed round the corner who had no idea what day it was, there was others who I turned up to clean and they just turned me away or i stugged to get paid. I had the same with previous canvassers and I've had the same when I've canvassed my own. So no I'm not having a pop at you and never have Ive just drawn the conclusion that people on general are flaky and canvassing by its very nature is a lottery. I agree my area is crap and saturated with windys. When I went out with you we picked up that one old lady and agreed a price. She already had a windy and when I went next day she said how much is it again I told her think it was 12 quid she said we'll my windy charges 10 can't you do it any less. I said no we'd already agreed the price the day before. That entire estate was gleaming and like you say you were just picking up scraps that's why imo people were so flaky

 

I'm sure you've many satisfied customers and I didn't realise you had a problem with me so I don't know why the outburst. I could go into more detail but it's done and gone so I don't see the point.

 

 

Oh and the butch woman I still clean hers now. She's one of about 5 that that actually stayed on and pay.

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@Whizz\-Bizz

Adam has actually said in another post that the one thing he did get from your time together was the confidence to go and knock doors and that he owed to you.

 

@adamangler

 

To both of you, this sounds like some personal unresolved business, if that's the case please sort it between yourselves via the message function.

 

I suggest in the mean time that any further comments you wish to make about one another in the open forum be exceedingly neutral to happy.

 

Thank you.

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