D.I.Y Electric hose reel conversion for less than £50

[peter rogers]

With the money made in window cleaning. 500 -1000 pound is nothing on a reel

I'm not fussed as I do mainly houses And one person on ftont one on back

If I was using full reel if hose all day every day is invest in the reels @Damo does.

 

[Damo]

Over Christmas I am working on a new reel design which should finally be the ultimate electric hose reel for window cleaning. /emoticons/wink.png

 

[adamangler]

@spruce

18 teeth isn't nessacarily too many teeth.

It would be easier for the motor to spin requiring less torque but more rpm.

Also if you used a small cog on the reel to compensate it wouldn't make a difference as long as the ratios are the same.

 

[Green Pro Clean Ltd]

Electric winds are OK can't see them being much good If the hose is right round the house. And I think he as been reading certain threads on same site as the reel idear came from 5 house's an hour for 6 to 7 hour's neither of those houses were cleaned properly.

I have a power up hd and it pulls 6mm round any house no issue.

I've found that anymore than 1 corner and it doesn't reel it back

Just exercise caution with diy ideas. I seen a bench grinder used on one that had the torque to rip your fingers off.

 

[spruce]

I have a power up hd and it pulls 6mm round any house no issue.


Just exercise caution with diy ideas. I seen a bench grinder used on one that had the torque to rip your fingers off.

I think the bearings on the Proloc are smooth and make reeling much easier. My petal hose reel does get very difficult to reel in, but a drop of oil on the bushes makes a lot of difference.

 

[CHWS]

I have a power up hd and it pulls 6mm round any house no issue.


Just exercise caution with diy ideas. I seen a bench grinder used on one that had the torque to rip your fingers off.

It's the torque I'm after lol, the HD seems to have more puff than the power up to be fair. I'm using 8mm also

 

[Iron Giant]

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In this video he just gives our industry a bad name. He doesn't clean most windows, which includes frames and sills, properly.

He's tried to get more than his 15 minutes of fame.

His technique is laughable I would be surprised if the windows came very well at all .

 

[adamangler]

Well Ive got my bits.

Will post a vid up over Christmas when it's done.

 

[Mark H]

Cool Adam [emoji106]

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[adamangler]

Ok, so i just chucked it together today for a test.

Will sort it properly over crimbo

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[CHWS]

Ok, so i just chucked it together today for a test.Will sort it properly over crimbo

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Why didn't you make this a couple of months ago for me lol

 

[Dave B]

Over Christmas I am working on a new reel design which should finally be the ultimate electric hose reel for window cleaning. /emoticons/wink.png

If it works mate i will have one :rock:

It will be the best about from what i know

 

[Dave B]

Nice one @adamangler

I know a guy who has clover reels with cordless power drills attached to reel in..good idea i think

 

[Dave B]

I'm not sure how seriously you can take this guy as he then puts up a couple of rather 'silly' videos.
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His attempt at cleaning quickly just doesn't look professional and he caps that off by cleaning just the window of the back door but not the whole door.

Looking from about 7.15 on wards you see a rather botched display of the reel winding in the hose which isn't working very well.

Its kind of put me off thinking about this tbh.

That guy is a joker cleaning like that

No method to it just randomly slapping the brush about

I can clean as quick or quicker than that with actually scrubbing the glass properly and then rinsing

It's all about getting the technique right and being methodical about it

I wouldn't trust him to clean any of my customers

 

[spruce]

That guy is a joker cleaning like thatNo method to it just randomly slapping the brush about

I can clean as quick or quicker than that with actually scrubbing the glass properly and then rinsing

It's all about getting the technique right and being methodical about it

I wouldn't trust him to clean any of my customers

It a pity he put these few 'silly' videos up IMHO. To his credit his DIY electric hose reel has inspired a lot of enthusiasm among other avid DIYers to build their own systems.

I think it sad that he now sullies his reputation by sticking these videos up. How can someone take him seriously? If I was his customer I'd cancel his services. If I was the owner of that sports car parked in the covered parking he nearly hit with his pole when he turned around, I would also have a 'fit'.

What I did find interesting is the issue he had when reeling in the hose at the end of this video. The motor just didn't seem to have the power to do to without him giving it a helping hand. Kind of put this into perspective. Would it be saving me having to wind the hose in or would I need to spend that energy elsewhere?

The jury is out on that one for me. We will await the long term reports of these DIY efforts.

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[Dr Von Samstein]

Looks amazing, fancy making one of those myself. Is it 24v? Looks like you only have one battery to me. Or is that the reduced speed using it on 12v? Or am I completely crazy

 

[spruce]

Looks amazing, fancy making one of those myself. Is it 24v? Looks like you only have one battery to me. Or is that the reduced speed using it on 12v? Or am I completely crazy

The motor is 24v used on a 12 volt battery.

The originator of this thread on another forum said that he initially connected the motor up to a 24 volt supply (2 x 12v batteries) but the motor ran too fast. Using 12v slowed the speed of the motor down, but it will also reduce the motor's torque as well.

The motor is rated at 300 watts although there are some rated at 350 watts that look identical. The plate on it says that its current draw is 14 amps. According to electrical maths formula at 24v volts a 300 watt motor will draw 12.5 amps and a 350 watt motor will draw 14.6 amps.

I don't know how reducing the voltage to 12v changes the current draw (watts) of the same 24v motor. Waterworks appears to use the same motor. If you look at their videos that show the reels working in the van, they have some fairly heavy duty electrical stuff in there.

My personal opinion is that we have a motor which works but not properly. This is evident to me at the end of the poster's 'silly' video. The motor stalled trying to reel the hose in from the side.

Just a thought. A step up 12v to 24 volt convertor and then a 24v electronic speed controller will keep the torque but regulate the speed.

 

[adamangler]

What spruce is saying may well be correct regarding it doesn't have enough torque at 12v I don't know because I've not tried it out properly yet.

Hopefully once a few people start having a go a good solution will come out eventually

 

[Green Pro Clean Ltd]

The originator of this thread on another forum said that he initially connected the motor up to a 24 volt supply (2 x 12v batteries) but the motor ran too fast. Using 12v slowed the speed of the motor down, but it will also reduce the motor's torque as well.

I am gonna stick to my of the shelf reels but outa interest @spruce would say a 'dimmer' switch set up on 2 x 12 volt resolve the speed issue? Snails pace or balls out?

 

[adamangler]

Well yes you need a speed controller a "dimmer" I's the same principle as is the car heater controller it just modify the voltage to to control speed of a motor.

I use one of these as a flow controller for my pump

12V-40V 10A Pulse Width Modulator PWM DC Motor Speed Control Switch 13KHz Hot | eBay

So 2x12 v battery wired up with a 24v regulator would do the trick that's if it needs 24v I. not sure it does.

I'm not sure how voltage affects torque though or whether these motors have enough torque even at 24v

 

[spruce]

What spruce is saying may well be correct regarding it doesn't have enough torque at 12v I don't know because I've not tried it out properly yet.
Hopefully once a few people start having a go a good solution will come out eventually

I found this which is rather helpful.

AmpFlow Pancake Motors

It relates to the footnote against the asterix relating to voltage

This torque calculator tells us that at 350 watt motor turning at 3500 RPM has a torque of 0.0159 newton meters. So at 50% of the torque at 12v means its torque is now 0.00795.

Horsepower to Torque Calculator, Formula

Unfortunately that means diddly squat to me./emoticons/biggrin.png

However, if I put in 0.47 hp into the formula then it tells me we have 0.705 ftlb -ft of torque. Halve that for 12v.

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