Rinsing on the glass

[Davy G]

So what gardiner brush heads for cleaning on the glass as thought it be handy for the narrow alleyways between houses where people might have a loft room window and its too narrow to step back and look if that makes sense.

Gardiner Dupont Tapertec Hybrid, with 100 degree fan jets and a short swivel. Scrub the top frame and vent if there is one over and back at least twice. Then the left frame and glass edge vertically two or three times. Continue across with vertical agitations and finish vertically with the right frame and edge of glass. It's quicker for maintenance washes to do the frame and glass as one process than it is to do all the framework and then the glass as two separate phases. Couple of swipes across any other horizontal frames and the sill to loosen the dirt crust on the sill and allow the water in.

To rinse, twist the pole to change the brush orientation to on its side. Swipe across and back twice to build a head of water at the top of the glass but not disturbing the top frame. Bring the brush down one level, swipe across once. Bring it down one level and swipe back once. Continue to the bottom of the window (descending wiper blade). A couple of swipes across the sill to finish with the brush in vertical, horizontal or angled orientation to your preference with a twist of the pole. Often now in side alleys I do the whole process with the brush on edge and instead of vertical agitation on the glass I do the agitation as well as the rinse as a descending cross and back wiper blade. That's my preference. I do very little scrubbing except for the frames and sills on first washes. Other guys will have their own preferences for equipment technique and style. Rightly so.

This is the equipment and basic method I've settled on. Most windows are done in 15 to thirty seconds or so in a maintenance wash. If you are in the early stages though don't be in a hurry. Concentrate on quality. Speed will follow in time.

 

[ched999uk]

I did my first window in an alley on Monday (actually first custy ? ) I was using Supreme Dupont Tapertec Hybrid with swivel gooseneck and pencil jets. I did like the way the swivel allowed me not to be directly under the window so I didn't get soaked ?

My findings so far are that swivels are great in some circumstances but if you really need to scrub on a first clean then a non swivel is better but that's just my novice opinion. 

 

[Part Timer]

I did my first window in an alley on Monday (actually first custy ? ) I was using Supreme Dupont Tapertec Hybrid with swivel gooseneck and pencil jets. I did like the way the swivel allowed me not to be directly under the window so I didn't get soaked ?

My findings so far are that swivels are great in some circumstances but if you really need to scrub on a first clean then a non swivel is better but that's just my novice opinion. 

Swivel won't swivel on a straight in front window unless you ask it to, no matter how much pressure you apply.

The only time you shouldn't use a swivel is on FSG cleans

 

[ched999uk]

Swivel won't swivel on a straight in front window unless you ask it to, no matter how much pressure you apply.

The only time you shouldn't use a swivel is on FSG cleans

Thanks. It will be down to my lack of practical hands on. I guess I am twisting my wrists when I shouldn't be. More practice required I think. 

Thanks for the explanation. 

 

[Part Timer]

Thanks. It will be down to my lack of practical hands on. I guess I am twisting my wrists when I shouldn't be. More practice required I think. 

Thanks for the explanation. 

Possibly try without a swivel, get the basic technique and once mastered then try the swivel. @Ian Docksey watched me and mentioned the swivel and I hadn't realised I'd actually used it. Once mastered it's almost becomes like fanning on traditional cleans.

 

[Deleted member 7446]

Thanks. It will be down to my lack of practical hands on. I guess I am twisting my wrists when I shouldn't be. More practice required I think. 

Thanks for the explanation. 

I'd recommend starting without a swivel as you'll gain a better feel of the brush pressure on the glass.

When using a swivel for the first time you'll find your energy input is far greater as your wrists and forearms will ache lots due to over effort.

A great point from Part timer about not using a swivel on FSG as you'll not be able to keep the brush head on the gutters and soffits because it will walk off and there's a chance you can knock the guttering off of snap brackets because you'll be fighting the pole

 

[Davy G]

@Part Timer

 Is onto something about it being easier to work with a swivel when it's not directly in front of you. It does work easier if it's slightly to your side. Another thing is to get used to changing the orientation by gently twisting the pole rather than trying to force it by pressing hard. This is a bit counter intuitive but play about with it and it will become second nature. I agree totally the swivel is not good for fsg cleaning.

 

[Pjj]

I have been using a swivel for must be about 15-18 months now and still have mixed feelings about them. If working to one side of a window they are good but when trying to do sills and door frames I do find they can turn when you dont want them  to ,also when scrubbing stubborn dirt with the end bristles they arnt the best . They arnt any good for gfs cleans , I think it’s a personal thing I could take them or, leave them in equal measure . 

 

[Stevieboy]

I have been using a swivel for must be about 15-18 months now and still have mixed feelings about them. If working to one side of a window they are good but when trying to do sills and door frames I do find they can turn when you dont want them  to ,also when scrubbing stubborn dirt with the end bristles they arnt the best . They arnt any good for gfs cleans , I think it’s a personal thing I could take them or, leave them in equal measure . 

Once you get the hang of them they are easy to control. To stop them turning when you don’t want them to just needs a bit more control of twisting the the pole the opposite way to which the swivel wants to go. It’s like turning into a skid when driving a car. A little counter twist pressure will control the swivel and prevent the turn before it happens. 

 

[IanH]

Gardiner Dupont Tapertec Hybrid, with 100 degree fan jets and a short swivel. Scrub the top frame and vent if there is one over and back at least twice. Then the left frame and glass edge vertically two or three times. Continue across with vertical agitations and finish vertically with the right frame and edge of glass. It's quicker for maintenance washes to do the frame and glass as one process than it is to do all the framework and then the glass as two separate phases. Couple of swipes across any other horizontal frames and the sill to loosen the dirt crust on the sill and allow the water in.

To rinse, twist the pole to change the brush orientation to on its side. Swipe across and back twice to build a head of water at the top of the glass but not disturbing the top frame. Bring the brush down one level, swipe across once. Bring it down one level and swipe back once. Continue to the bottom of the window (descending wiper blade). A couple of swipes across the sill to finish with the brush in vertical, horizontal or angled orientation to your preference with a twist of the pole. Often now in side alleys I do the whole process with the brush on edge and instead of vertical agitation on the glass I do the agitation as well as the rinse as a descending cross and back wiper blade. That's my preference. I do very little scrubbing except for the frames and sills on first washes. Other guys will have their own preferences for equipment technique and style. Rightly so.

This is the equipment and basic method I've settled on. Most windows are done in 15 to thirty seconds or so in a maintenance wash. If you are in the early stages though don't be in a hurry. Concentrate on quality. Speed will follow in time.

Any chance you could video the method and put it on here bud. 

 

[spruce]

Any chance you could video the method and put it on here bud. 

Why not look at Squeaky Cleans Dave's video clip.



Personally I mainly rinse off the glass as I'm assured that any bits stuck between the bristles, even on a monofilament brush, won't be transferred back onto the glass during the rinsing phase.

I've also used a swivel with a rinse bar which works well, but I don't get on with a swivel generally.

 

[IanH]

56 minutes ago, spruce said:

Why not look at Squeaky Cleans Dave's video clip.

Thanks watched them both and was just wondering on other cleaner's methods, tried it on me own down windys with a flocked head with no mark's but I clean some 3 story town houses and me backs in agony the next day or two, I'm 58 so it's to be expected ?. Been using a swivel due to cars parked on the drives and find them so much easier to use. Cheers bud 

 

[spruce]

Thanks watched them both and was just wondering on other cleaner's methods, tried it on me own down windys with a flocked head with no mark's but I clean some 3 story town houses and me backs in agony the next day or two, I'm 58 so it's to be expected ?. Been using a swivel due to cars parked on the drives and find them so much easier to use. Cheers bud 

When rinsing at height I often just tip the brush in such a way that a corner of the brush head is still on the glass with the other side off the glass. This usually leaves one jet of water to rinse off the glass.

If it's large pains of glass I'm rinsing, I will use my rinse bar so the brush's brittles are ahead of the rinse water being dragged down the glass. I work in circles so the water rinses the glass but isn't affected by the following down stroke; if that makes sense.

 

[Part Timer]

Thanks watched them both and was just wondering on other cleaner's methods, tried it on me own down windys with a flocked head with no mark's but I clean some 3 story town houses and me backs in agony the next day or two, I'm 58 so it's to be expected ?. Been using a swivel due to cars parked on the drives and find them so much easier to use. Cheers bud 

I'm 57 and always used 45cm flocked brushes, up to 5 floors. Have since changed to a 35cm Tapertec and have found it helps massively.

 

[IanH]

When rinsing at height I often just tip the brush in such a way that a corner of the brush head is still on the glass with the other side off the glass. This usually leaves one jet of water to rinse off the glass.

If it's large pains of glass I'm rinsing, I will use my rinse bar so the brush's brittles are ahead of the rinse water being dragged down the glass. I work in circles so the water rinses the glass but isn't affected by the following down stroke; if that makes sense.

I've been looking at rinse bar's and, can't make me mind up, the second floor has railings outside of French doors and l've mastered cleaning them with a swivel and no chance will I get a rinse bar along with brush head through the gap and will take to long to clean if I use different brushes. Thank you for your comments and it all makes sense?

 

[IanH]

I'm 57 and always used 45cm flocked brushes, up to 5 floors. Have since changed to a 35cm Tapertec and have found it helps massively.

I'm 57 and always used 45cm flocked brushes, up to 5 floors. Have since changed to a 35cm Tapertec and have found it helps massively.

Hi, I've just received a 26cm xtreme Tapertec and yet to try it, as mentioned in the previous post the second floor has railing and I know I can get the 26cm brush through easily. Thanks for the help ?

 

[Part Timer]

Hi, I've just received a 26cm xtreme Tapertec and yet to try it, as mentioned in the previous post the second floor has railing and I know I can get the 26cm brush through easily. Thanks for the help ?

With a swivel we can get a 35cm brush through most Juliet balconies

 

[Iron Giant]

I've been looking at rinse bar's and, can't make me mind up, the second floor has railings outside of French doors and l've mastered cleaning them with a swivel and no chance will I get a rinse bar along with brush head through the gap and will take to long to clean if I use different brushes. Thank you for your comments and it all makes sense?

100 degree fan jets are just the job as you get a full width rinse, I've not bothered with a rinse bar but I would guess the 100 degree fan jets do something very similar. 

 

[Davy G]

Any chance you could video the method and put it on here bud. 

Sorry it took me so long to reply. I'm away camping and kayaking in West Wales and only have a very intermittent signal.

I put a video on YouTube last year ( Gardiner 100 degree Fan jets in action. Same method in essence as I described in my post but I was using a different brush (Extreme sill). If you take a look, please read all the comments, questions and my answers.

 

[Dale Harries]

Hi guys. I tried this at home for the first time the other day and I was impressed with the results. The water just glided off.. i banged the flow up to 99 and the finish when dry was perfect. My question is. Can you use this technique on all types of glass? Thanks in advance.

99.9% of the time a pure water rinse works great. There's only three caveats I've found on my rounds.

1. If the top vents are really filthy you can get dirty water dripping down the fronts. To fix this just spend a little time on the first clean to get the vents clean and clear then give everything a really good rinse.

2. Some glass is hydrophobic and the water doesn't always sheet quite so easily. Fixed by turning up the flow for a few seconds to get the pane flooded with water.

3. Occasionally, if you use a degreaser on the frames the rubber black gasket can bleed if it's old and a bit knackered. Again, you just have to give everything a really good rinse off and you'll be golden.

 

[TerryNorfolk]

Shurflo pumps etc are designed to work at full speed all the time. It is only us windies who use them like we do.

Full whack all day rinsing on the glass will have no adverse effects on the pump. The only thing to suffer may be the battery needing charging more often

I rinse on the glass 99% of the time also with a swivel resi neck so even quicker

I use less water rinsing on with 60 on my 6lpm pump than i do on 30 rinsing off as it is so quick

Is that pencil jets or fan?