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[Belfastcleaning]

Understood. I really like Alex and the whole Gardiner concept. I will probably never try your brush because he's practically a friend of mine, but you have sparked my interest. B)

You don't know what your missing mike. Gardiners have great poles, but tecbuk brushes kick butt!

 

[BostonMike]

You don't know what your missing mike. Gardiners have great poles' date=' but tecbuk brushes kick butt![/quote']/emoticons/wink.png Like I said you've sparked my interest.

 

[Richard]

Understood. I really like Alex and the whole Gardiner concept. I will probably never try your brush because he's practically a friend of mine' date=' but you have sparked my interest. B)[/quote']
Ok Mike, not sure if that is commendable though, I don’t think using a competitors brush would damage a friendship, especially if your business would benefit from using it.

Richard

 

[Smurf]

Richard whatever happened to the lightweight brush you were supposed to be working on?

 

[Richard]

It’s done Smurf, well all the initial prototypes. I can’t see any benefit this brush has apart from the reduction in weight, which doesn’t increase the cleaning time over the Aerial brush; the current Aerial brush is more robust, although I am comparing with a prototype, but the Aerial brush has been out since 2010 and not 1 brush has failed.

A new brush would need to have more benefits; I will keep working on it and I do have a few ideas.

Cheers, Richard

 

[harunh]

Ill be trying richards brush when i next need a new brush so thats maybe this summer lol,,, a lot of people rate them highly /emoticons/smile.png i use gardiners cill brush n dual trim brush but its the only brushes ivee ever used, and i think they both do the same job ? /emoticons/wacko.png lol

 

[Ssierragls]

You don't know what your missing mike. Gardiners have great poles' date=' but tecbuk brushes kick butt![/quote']The bristles on the teckbuk brush probably are the best, but there are too many negatives to make it a great brush. More bristles doesnt necessarily mean better, when rinsing on the glass its harder for the dirt to flow away becasue of the number of bristles in contact with the glass, the stock can cause some serious damage to wooden window frames of you are heavy handed use to gardiners brush stocks os it is solid with square corners, its very easy to knock chunks of paint off window frames, and lastly, it is noticeably heavier on the end of the pole. I know richard does not agree about noticing the extra weight, but every extra gram on the end of the pole, especially at high heights is amplified.

 

[BostonMike]

The bristles on the teckbuk brush probably are the best' date=' but there are too many negatives to make it a great brush. More bristles doesnt necessarily mean better, when rinsing on the glass its harder for the dirt to flow away becasue of the number of bristles in contact with the glass, the stock can cause some serious damage to wooden window frames of you are heavy handed use to gardiners brush stocks os it is solid with square corners, its very easy to knock chunks of paint off window frames, and lastly, it is noticeably heavier on the end of the pole. I know richard does not agree about noticing the extra weight, but every extra gram on the end of the pole, especially at high heights is amplified.[/quote']I have to agree. I've been on YouTube and a couple forums today reading a lot of posts on the Tecbuk Brush vs the Gardiner DT and I think the Gardiner DT Brush suites me the best. I really like a lighter brush! It's that simple.

 

[Bingo]

'If you want to read honest reviews of the aerial brush join one of the other forums and do a search for aerial brush and see for yourselves'.

The above is a quote from your first post...one of only two posts since joining this Forum 10 months ago and each are negative posts.

There are some honest and impartial reviews on this Forum. I've been on the other Forums as you sugested but much prefer the openness and honesty of this Forum

 

[Bingo]

I really like Alex and the whole Gardiner concept. I will probably never try your brush because he's practically a friend of mine, but you have sparked my interest. B)

I have to agree. I've been on YouTube and a couple forums today reading a lot of posts on the Tecbuk Brush vs the Gardiner DT and I think the Gardiner DT Brush suites me the best. I really like a lighter brush! It's that simple.

Huh!
:huh: Somehow I knew that would be your answer

 

[Belfastcleaning]

The bristles on the teckbuk brush probably are the best, but there are too many negatives to make it a great brush. More bristles doesnt necessarily mean better, when rinsing on the glass its harder for the dirt to flow away becasue of the number of bristles in contact with the glass, the stock can cause some serious damage to wooden window frames of you are heavy handed use to gardiners brush stocks os it is solid with square corners, its very easy to knock chunks of paint off window frames, and lastly, it is noticeably heavier on the end of the pole. I know richard does not agree about noticing the extra weight, but every extra gram on the end of the pole, especially at high heights is amplified.

I don't have any problems damaging frames, and I have quite a few that have very old wooden windows.. I don't like rinsing on the glass so I don't do it.. As for the weight, I take it you use the lightest poles available? I have seen others complain about a few extra grams, yet they use fibre glass poles or composite poles, which just dosent make sense? I also just put an aquadapter on my pole so now it's even heavier, if weight was an issue on the end of the pole why would so many people want aquadapters? Probably because it saves time. And the tecbuk brushes have saved me time.. Really you can only feel a difference when your pole is more horizontal, ie stretching over roofs etc, but when your doing a straight forward window you shouldn't feel a difference..

 

[Belfastcleaning]

I have to agree. I've been on YouTube and a couple forums today reading a lot of posts on the Tecbuk Brush vs the Gardiner DT and I think the Gardiner DT Brush suites me the best. I really like a lighter brush! It's that simple.

You Came here and asked for a brush that was kick azz and for a brush with scrubbing power to help speed you up, make things a little easier, create some extra time to earn more $$$

Thing with gardiners brushes is they are all more less the same brush, only come with stiff med soft bristles in either a flat trim or dual trim.. I at first thought, ok a stiff brush for really dirty dirst cleans and a med mix for maintenance.. They were both poo.. After a lot of worry like yourself, and at the time Richard let us do a trial, I said screw it I'll just buy my own.. And I'm glad I did as I don't think I would have enjoyed wfp cleaning if I didn't. I now own 3 tecbuk brushes and they are the only brushes I will ever need. I expect them to last quite a lot longer than a gardiners brush.. I actually don't expect, I know they will... It won't matter what brush you use from gardiners, none of them will give you the scrubbing power you want, compared to a tecbuk hybrid brush.. Or the full boars hair... But it is up to yourself, work harder or work easier? I know what I would chose

 

[Ssierragls]

'If you want to read honest reviews of the aerial brush join one of the other forums and do a search for aerial brush and see for yourselves'.The above is a quote from your first post...one of only two posts since joining this Forum 10 months ago and each are negative posts.

There are some honest and impartial reviews on this Forum. I've been on the other Forums as you sugested but much prefer the openness and honesty of this Forum

I didn't realise I had only done 2 posts lol. I'm not trying to be negative it's just an honest opinion. If you were to go on clean it up forum, I have posted nearly 3000 posts, and I never get into slagging off products, I only give my honest findings.

I have thought this about Richards brush for a long time, and this is the opinion of 90% of members on all of the other window cleaning forums, but unfortunately Richards does not like constructive criticism, and will not change the design.

It has also been said by myself and other forum users that the aerial brush bristles are probably the best filament out there (i mentioned this in the above quote, i dont see how that is being negative) and if they were put into a Gardiners stock then you would genuinely have the best brush in the world.

 

[Richard]

Hi Ssierragls,

Thanks for your comments; you are entitled to your own opinion, but some window cleaners on forums are heavily influenced and just parrot comments about certain products. You have tried my brushes, so any impartial comments you make are fair, although I do believe you a big fan of Gardiner’s, and do struggle with impartiality when making comments on forums, I read a lot of your post.

I don’t sell to 90% on window cleaners on all the forums, but I do sell to more than 10%, I can’t speak for my customers, so I don’t see how you can speak for 90% of all window cleaners on all the other forums. No one likes criticism, but I do welcome constructive criticism on the brushes and all impartial comments are welcome including yours. I just have to read between the lines in your post.

Happy New Year

Richard

 

[BostonMike]

"It has also been said by myself and other forum users that the aerial brush bristles are probably the best filament out there (i mentioned this in the above quote, i dont see how that is being negative) and if they were put into a Gardiners stock then you would genuinely have the best brush in the world."

I believe that quote sums up what I found on the forums yesterday. I went to the Tecbuk website and almost bought a brush on the spot. Very nice looking brushes. After spending most of the after noon watching College Football Bowl games while reading brush reviews I came to the above conclusion in the quote. Maybe I'll buy one in the Spring when I have money to burn.

I dumped my RHG hogs hair because of weight. It's small not big like most of the brushes over here, but it's heavie than a Gardiner Super Lite so it got kicked to the curb.

I'm looking forward to hearing what people have to say about Richards new LIGHTER and better brush design.

 

[BostonMike]

One of my favorite quotes was said by Abraham Lincoln our 16th president. I apply it to PLEASING customers. The Gardiner Super Lite brush isn't for everybody. J. Racenstein Co, the number one supply house for window cleaners in the US, won't put Super Lite Brushes on SLX poles when he sells them because most Americans think they are to small and complain when they receive their pole. Go figure? :wacko:

"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time." Abraham Lincoln

 

[Richard]

That’s interesting Mike, unless your are cleaning huge sheets of glass, wall of glass and the pole and brush is supported by the window for longer lengths of time, and the brush must be easy to work and efficient - then there are benefits to be had - but most big brushes are inefficient and very slow to operate, more so over longer lengths of time.

Standard Tecbuk brushes give a 60sq inch cleaning area (a lot of 12” brushes have bristles that fold and they have a very small cleaning footprint, no where near as big as this) Tecbuk brushes can be worked over the glass much faster (faster than anything you have ever use) and clean more efficiently than 16” brushes, and you wont get as half as tired having to struggle with the brush. This is of course up to the operator and his cleaning method.

Richard

 

[Alex Gardiner]

You Came here and asked for a brush that was kick azz and for a brush with scrubbing power to help speed you up, make things a little easier, create some extra time to earn more $$$
Thing with gardiners brushes is they are all more less the same brush, only come with stiff med soft bristles in either a flat trim or dual trim.. I at first thought, ok a stiff brush for really dirty dirst cleans and a med mix for maintenance.. They were both poo.. After a lot of worry like yourself, and at the time Richard let us do a trial, I said screw it I'll just buy my own.. And I'm glad I did as I don't think I would have enjoyed wfp cleaning if I didn't. I now own 3 tecbuk brushes and they are the only brushes I will ever need. I expect them to last quite a lot longer than a gardiners brush.. I actually don't expect, I know they will... It won't matter what brush you use from gardiners, none of them will give you the scrubbing power you want, compared to a tecbuk hybrid brush.. Or the full boars hair... But it is up to yourself, work harder or work easier? I know what I would chose

Hi Peter
Whilst I am glad that you have found a brush that suits your personal working taste it does not mean that you are experienced with all of our brush range - With regard to your experience of our brushes you have only tried two of the mono-filament DT versions. If maximum scrubbing and rinsing off the glass is what is required then our long-standing client favourite is the Super-Lite DT Flocked brush which provides exellent scrubbing the equal of anything you have tried in the world of WFP brushes so far.

 

[Squeak and Bubbles]

Sorry guys, all this talking about brushes makes me wish I had hair to brush... /emoticons/ohmy.png

 

[BostonMike]

Richard

I'm not struggling with my 12" Gardiner brush. It's very easy and quick to use. The bristles splay out nicely. Most of my residential work is two story windows with 6 to 12 panes in each sash. So that's 12 to 24 panes per window. Earlier in this thread I said that you sparked my interest and that is still true.

Some people like Gardiner because they like what Alex likes. He designs and sells what works for him in his window cleaning business and hpoes that enough people feel the same way about his design as he does.

 

[Richard]

No you won’t struggle with them all Mike, some of those brushes you will, when compared to the Tecbuk brush; there are many other differences as well, for instance the Gardiner extreme brush I find very easy to use, but with only approximately 9,600 the cleaning time was incredibly slow when compared to using my brushes, the difference in earnings is huge, Many £thousands over a year and with reduced cleaning times you then have the ability to price more competitively, which will mean you can win more work.

You only have to read Peter’s comments (Belfastcleaning) who can clearly notice the differences and he seems to be able to use Tecbuk brushes more efficiently than Gardiner’s straight the way. My brushes are fast, it’s as simple as that, if you cant get your head around that, your wasting your time - you may well prefer Gardiner brushes that is fine, but I have a lot of conversations similarly to this over the past couple of years with people who have been sold into Gardiner’s brushes, but who have never tried Tecbuk brushes. (By the way its just brush, you run a business)

Customer loyalty to Gardiner’s was originally a tough nut to crack, not so much these days, window cleaners are savvy, Gardiner’s use of forums to build his customer base then market them anything might be looked upon as commendable; I on the other hand have made a better product.

Richard