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cheapncheerful

yep me a bi:eek: what er I ER do both methods..

 

in fact one I do today I was planning to trad to just keep an eye close up on things but...

 

I am fast running out of time so ...maybe next time....

 

yep when I first clean I always clean the frames as well you have to really as surely if you are not careful all the muck would end up back on the glass and of course it looks good in the custys eyes and anyway these days as I charge double..they pay for it..

 

although some houses are pure wfp I will still trad from time to time to check em...

 

but of course pure water cleaning lasts longer...:rolleyes:

 

gotta wind up tolish cant help it...

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Dave B

I always do the frames and am trad

A window imo is glass, frame and sill

I have had a bit of work round here from a dodgy wfp guy who does nothing about the sills and 1 new job the glass was clean and the sills were green

Too many cowboys using both methods if you ask me

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cheapncheerful

howdy partner...

 

yep both but I try and dodge the :turd: glass...

 

only started wfp last summer and love it...

 

but I love to trad too..

 

and trad doesnt leave the windows wet:rolleyes:

 

dont get them going on which is best ...as that will go on forever.

 

only one custy moaned so far..so I just changed back to trad for him..

 

although I too do get....can you clean traditionally? enquiries...

 

yep me cleans em anyway you wants em....AS LONG AS I GET MA MONEY...:D

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peter rogers

il take a pic of the street i picked up las week 11 houses 1 street dont need to move van to do them horrah they on a new devolpment site and they say there will be 1000 more houses built by 2017

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Dave B

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This is my best road in the whole town

Only goes up to number 89 including the flats

I have 7 ground and 1st floor flats and 8 houses all next to each other except 1 in the middle i don't do

The flats are only £7 as only have 3 windows but the houses are all 15 and 1 is 20 so 174 quid without moving the motor

There is actually another house i do there but that is my father in laws and he is the only freebie i do for anybody

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rshandyman
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This is my best road in the whole town

Only goes up to number 89 including the flats

I have 7 ground and 1st floor flats and 8 houses all next to each other except 1 in the middle i don't do

The flats are only £7 as only have 3 windows but the houses are all 15 and 1 is 20 so 174 quid without moving the motor

There is actually another house i do there but that is my father in laws and he is the only freebie i do for anybody

How do you clean these over the garage 0 Degree on the pole?

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Green Pro Clean Ltd

Squeegees at dawn for Rs & Kev I reckon!

 

In case you don't know I am a traditional window cleaner, I also happen to be the most expensive window cleaner on 'my turf'

 

I am with RS and Davey that the 'Window' is the glass pane, frames and sills. My price (always more than others) Includes the frames and sills.

 

Only once have I ever been asked 'how much without frames?' And I said, 'Same price, I include the frames and sills for nothing as I am here anyhow.'

'Oh wow that's real nice of you, you can have the job'

 

Always tell the customer the frames and sills are included at no extra charge. We get 95% of all jobs we quote.

 

Also remember that by 'cleaning' of frames and sills I am only talking of giving them a good clean 1st time with a soapy wet rag. After that it's a quick wipe with a damp rag to maintain, we certainly aren't talking PVC restoration here.

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Green Pro Clean Ltd

P.S.Pricing for us starts at £10 for bungalows / mid terrace house etc - most others around here are £5 - £6

 

Be reliable, be reasonable, never haggle with them, do the job right and you can always charge top dollar.

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Dave B

The way i do it is soap the window properly..wipe the frames over so it don't matter if you go over on to the glass then squeegee the glass

No hassle and happy customer

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Green Pro Clean Ltd

Ahh Davey, must be a London lad thing, doing a job properly, no pride up north where not doing framework is acceptable practice next to a deep fried mars bar for lunch

 

(now sit back and wait for riot) :P

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Green Pro Clean Ltd

Seriously though, I think I may have cracked a system to universally price up domestic window cleaning, got the idea form the yanks of all people, give me 20 mins to find some suitable pics and I think this could really help out all those 'what would you charge?' questions and new boys starting out. BRB

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rshandyman

It is not only London.I do frames as well and here South people are not happy when you don't.

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Green Pro Clean Ltd

In the words of the legendary actor Christoper Walken, 'Okay Dokay artichoakey, here we go!'

 

This is aimed at residential quotes only.

 

Right for this method of pricing to work we need to factor in a couple of things and more importantly remember those factors.

 

1: A window is a window weather it is in Southampton or Carlisle

2: Minimum wage is the same weather it is in Southampton or Carlisle (Londoners adjust accordingly)

3: It will take YOU the same time to clean the window weather you are in Southampton or Carlisle

 

In short my point is that of ALL trades the whole - 'prices are different up north' mentality needs to f**k off right now! Your customers in Carlisle will pay the same for their Sky Sports Package as will will your customer in Southampton so why can't they pay the same for other services? Perhaps back in the dark ages (1960s & 1970s) before the advent of civilization the great north south divide might have had some weight but not anymore (IMO)

 

Wooo hoo I'm all excited! I even got pics to go with me post!

 

Now remember I have a policy where I don't go anywhere for less than £10.00 after all 99% of my customers wouldn't cross the street for £10 so why should I? and that's just the way it is. If you are still cleaning windows for less than £10 per house monthly or six weekly then I truly believe you are doing yourself an injustice!

 

OK, for the purpose of this exercise we are assuming that all houses in the pictures are identical at the back so we are simply doubling what we charge for the fronts. So all prices are for front and back (not including sides)

 

I watched a youtube video with some yank and got this idea, he was saying 'downstairs window $3 upstairs window $5' and so on. So I got to thinking why can't we here in the UK simplify it like that well this is what I came up with, 20 pence per pane, with a minimum charge of £1 per window set (see example pics below) and £1.50 for doors

I have quoted 11 jobs in the past 4 days and landed 10 of them using this system.

 

Example 1

 

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The two upstairs front windows at 20 per pane would be 40p each but we round each upto the minimum of £1 so for the front windows on this house as each is rounded up to £1 that will be £3 + 1 front door at £1.50 = Total £4.50 Now we assume that the back is identical so that would be a £9 job but not to worry as it is a minimum charge of £10

 

Example 2: (Look closely now)

 

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Upstairs bay window at 20p per frame £1.80 (always round up) so that's £2 Upstairs hall window at 20p per frame 60p so rounded up £1 - Downstairs bay at 20p per frame £2.40 (round up) £3 and a front door set at £1.50 so that's a total of £7.50 for the front of the house, if the back was identical you would be looking at a £15 job.

 

In this instance I can tell you the back is actually a £4.50 job so this house we charge £12

 

Eample 3:

 

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You guessed it! Chaching Caching!

 

He we say hello to Georgian Glass, I only round the total to the nearest pound on these not the individual 'frame' so to speak

 

4 windows at £.3.20 per window (£12,80) - 1 window at £2.40 and one door at £1.50 = £16.70

 

Identical at the back so that's £33.40 (in this instance I tell them the full total then round it down to £30 (they usually ask to go bi monthly, not a problem)

 

Also if you can afford a house like this you can afford to keep it clean! simple!

 

I think I am lucky in my round being more than sufficient for me that I can experiment with quoting and I have found that people will pay for a reliable quality job.

 

If you go in cheap you are saying that you offer a cheap service, when you are going out to earn £4 per house in shite weather it is easier to stay in and watch Jeremy Vine when you are going for £10 + per house Jeremy Vine can fu*k off!

 

Now I will sit back and wait for you all to tell me how you will never get customers at those prices blah blah blah.

 

Do not forget 2 years ago I had just moved to Nottingham from the channel islands, didnt have a pot to piss in and all the local window cleaners telling me 'You wont get customers at that price'

 

2 years on me and one lad and we are turning over 600 houses per month at just shy of £80k per year. IT CAN BE DONE

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Green Pro Clean Ltd
It is not only London.I do frames as well and here South people are not happy when you don't.
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Sorry RS - I meant London & Southern Counties ;)

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Green Pro Clean Ltd

And ooops I just realized that this is posted in WFP forum, my pricing structure is based on Traditional cleaning methods only so if any Mods want to move me somewhere more appropriate please do. Cheers.

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peter rogers

hi i do my pricing abit different in richer areas i price rightly so .

 

i do a wee concil estate at 6 per house as after first clean i do them 5 an hour at 6 quid thats 30 an hour and i do 37 of them in the small estate and they all pay on time i take 8 hours at it as i have few cups tea and sandwiches etc handy wee day by wfp

 

would i be right or am i doin them bit cheap theyhave 5 windows and 2 doors one door is full wood

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Green Pro Clean Ltd

Why do you think you are pricing richer areas rightly so Peter? if the case is you are pricing the richer areas rightly then you are pricing the less affluent areas wrongly.

 

It costs you just as much fuel, time, tools, experience ect to clean a council home in a non affluent area as it does a private home in an affluent area.

 

Your statement really says: I'm fleecing people in better neighborhoods cause they got more dough!

 

Perhaps it is time we started to level the playing field, the ones in the more affluent homes are less likely to be claiming benefits etc so are costing you (the tax payer) less so they should get a discount whereas the council house benefit customers are claiming so many benefits that is paid for by your taxes so they should pay more so you get a little something back from those that persecute you!.

 

Of no real relevance that previous statement.

 

We now charge a minimum rate of £10 per house Peter but we are traditional, it matters not if we have 20 homes on one road or just one, the minimum price is the minimum price.

 

I have had customers say to me 'well you're coming here to do her windows anyway...........' and that pisses me off, first off why should they get a discount just cause I happen to be on that road? and secondly as I tell them, 'yes, but even if you were the only customer I had on this street I would still come out to clean your windows so the price is the price'

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P.S. Peter, you have, hundreds, if not thousands invested in a WFP system that you want to recuperate ASAP so why do cheap, undervalued work.

 

If I was using WFP all day I would put my prices up, using logic such as

 

'No no luv, this WFP system is state of the art, same as they use on all those posh offices and restaurants you see in town, just the initial setup cost £XYZ not to mention maintaining the system to ensure that the water is perfect. Look at that brush head, doesn't miss an inch of that glass or the frames, dries to a perfect finish every time! It's up to you luv but you get what you pay for really don't you?'

 

It's all in the power of suggestion. I wouldn't be selling it as I can go cheaper cause it's faster, I would be selling it as 'It's worth paying for to have the best new technology to clean your windows'

 

Total crock of sh*te but I reckon you could sell that easily.

 

Put them all up by £2 per house Peter You could lose 11 customers off that round, be down to only 26 houses and still take home the same money every day and finish 2 hours earlier. (half the ones you lose will come back when all they can get is a drunk on a ladder for a fiver.

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peter rogers

i have in total 4200 in the van like but i do them at that as its easy access and easy we windows its right nxt to my house and i do it for a we easy day of money as i dont have as much houses as id like i priced them wen i first started i know now id do them 4 £8 but i learned from my mistake like wouldn price that low now i only charge the richer area more cause them boys and girls have extensions conservatories some houses are 3 stories harder access and they are all bigger at the end of the day i know im to cheap at 6 for them wee ones

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luc

I agree Green I'm building my round on the same principle and so far so good, take for example an estate I've just picked up 10 customers it is not a wealthy estate working class and lots of rented property, with two window cleaners that are well established only charging £6.00 how did I get them?

I told them why they needed me, all frames, sills and doors included in the clean I'm reliable and professional so 10 new customers at £10 each happy days.

We have loads of terraced houses in my area that you don't have access to the back it may be a harder sell but imagine getting ten fronts for £10 each that would be a good earner:)

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peter rogers

how many of you go to a house and the people say.... why would i want a window cleaner im only renting

 

 

cause if you clean your windows you will be able to see out again lol :D

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