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Attending a Softwash course in Glasgow on Monday & Tuesday (£490) achieve a City & Guilds Certificate at the end. Good for the website and my health & safety. 

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JFS ACCESS HIRE

Hi, 

 

Can you let me know how you find it as we are looking at the exact same course.  

 

Cheer 

 

Jim 

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OMG you all must be making too much dollar, just for a 2 day course  (£490) achieve a City & Guilds Certificate at the end, Experience counts for everything not paper medals & health & safety, just be sensible & use your eyes for hidden dangers around you. soz just my opinion save some dollar. 

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1 hour ago, CleanEze said:

OMG you all must be making too much dollar, just for a 2 day course  (£490) achieve a City & Guilds Certificate at the end, Experience counts for everything not paper medals & health & safety, just be sensible & use your eyes for hidden dangers around you. soz just my opinion save some dollar. 

 

 

Training is a tax deductible expense , so it’s worth being qualified at what you do , if you arnt qualified how can you do a rams ? When the potential customer askes for proof of training and many will with softwashing how will you do that ??? £490 is peanuts to what you can earn less than a mornings work , there are to many cowboys out there already softwashing who think it’s safe and legal to mix washing up liquid and other things in hypo , these idiots are a danger to themselves and others , how do you prevent this ??? Training is the key to any profession, is anyone just allowed to get behind the wheel of a car and drive ??? No they have to pass a test to show that they know what they are doing and are a safe driver , why should using potentially dangerous chemicals be any different??? 

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6 hours ago, JFS ACCESS HIRE said:

Hi, 

 

Can you let me know how you find it as we are looking at the exact same course.  

 

Cheer 

 

Jim 

 

They have many 2 day courses. Call Maureen ( 35387 930 9406 ) Irish number if you want to attend one below.

LIVERPOOL 12-13 APRIL

 

BRISTOL 10-11 MAY

 

CARDIFF 14-15 JUNE

 

 

 

 

 

GLASGOW 15-16 APRIL

 

LUTON 13-14 MAY

 

EXETER 17-18 JUNE

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2 hours ago, CleanEze said:

OMG you all must be making too much dollar, just for a 2 day course  (£490) achieve a City & Guilds Certificate at the end, Experience counts for everything not paper medals & health & safety, just be sensible & use your eyes for hidden dangers around you. soz just my opinion save some dollar. 

 

Aye, I used to have that silly youth mentality but when you reach 50 it well and truly leaves you. One has to know everything about Softwashing to undertake the task or you are just winging it. Funny enough I got a call today regarding cleaning driveway, path & patio.

The very posh woman said she wanted a professional job done if I could do it. Its a million pound house so she will definitely be getting a professional price tomorrow when I view it. :1f609:

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11 hours ago, CleanEze said:

OMG you all must be making too much dollar, just for a 2 day course  (£490) achieve a City & Guilds Certificate at the end, Experience counts for everything not paper medals & health & safety, just be sensible & use your eyes for hidden dangers around you. soz just my opinion save some dollar. 


Health & Safety has no place in the workplace 🤣

10 hours ago, Pjj said:

 

 

there are to many cowboys out there already softwashing who think it’s safe and legal to mix washing up liquid and other things in hypo , these idiots are a danger to themselves and others , how do you prevent this ??? Training is the key to any profession, is anyone just allowed to get behind the wheel of a car and drive ??? No they have to pass a test to show that they know what they are doing and are a safe driver , why should using potentially dangerous chemicals be any different??? 

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The reasons you outline are the reasons I decided against soft washing for myself, I am more than happy sticking to what I know 

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11 hours ago, scottish cleaning service said:

 

They have many 2 day courses. Call Maureen ( 35387 930 9406 ) Irish number if you want to attend one below.

LIVERPOOL 12-13 APRIL

 

BRISTOL 10-11 MAY

 

CARDIFF 14-15 JUNE

 

 

 

 

 

GLASGOW 15-16 APRIL

 

LUTON 13-14 MAY

 

EXETER 17-18 JUNE

Hi scottish can i ring that number for the bristol course? It’s nearest to home for me. Any additional info you may have? Web link or something? Cheers mate

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Lol im 59 older & wiser, if & when the need arises maybe get a piece of paper but until the time comes if them big buck jobs call it im in but im no dreamer either, i take caution where needed & theres a great lot off free advice out there if & when i need it ! cheers .

 

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last year softwashing gave me over 10k's worth of turnover, this year as for me its just starting to take off this month has seen nearly a grands worth of work already with enquiries coming in.

this is what training gives you, not so much the paper qualifications but they do help when you quote for the larger jobs. I would presume that if someone sees the need for training to be a waste of time and money then the relavant insurance would be treated with the same disregard.

 

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15 hours ago, CleanEze said:

OMG you all must be making too much dollar, just for a 2 day course  (£490) achieve a City & Guilds Certificate at the end, Experience counts for everything not paper medals & health & safety, just be sensible & use your eyes for hidden dangers around you. soz just my opinion save some dollar. 

I've got work with a very H&S conscious property management company that I grossed nearly £26k from last year because I have the paper medals and health and safety you so disparage. That's just to clean windows and clear their gutters with a gutter vac.  

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6 hours ago, Incheck said:

Hi scottish can i ring that number for the bristol course? It’s nearest to home for me. Any additional info you may have? Web link or something? Cheers mate

 

Maureen conway <softwashtrainingsolutions@gmail.com>

 

She is very good to deal with, book early.

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In this day and age training , and qualifications are a must Ime 56 and have a vast amount of experience in life and running a buisness , having also been in the Fireservice for 30 years as an operational watch manager I have come across so many people that have tried to bluff there way with doing things causing all kinds of issues from causing explosions, causing fires, electrocuting themselves , causing gas clouds , just to name a few things ,most of theses situations would have been avoided by simply getting advice or training , only a fool would dismiss this . Just beacause you have experience in life doesn’t mean you don’t need training , I have been softwashing for 10 years self taught from what I researched on the internet ,  and Ime no fool , but we do a lot of work for some big companies and I know it’s only a matter of time before they will want to see proof of training , so I booked myself on a softwashing course , thinking I’ll get a certificate but won’t learn anything, well how wrong was I , l learned so much I was shocked just how little I did actually know before , a lot of what you see on YouTube is misleading to say the least and at worst is dangerous, most recommend using washing up liquid as a surficant , very dangerous idear but how many do what they see there I did and didn’t realise just how dangerous it is as well as being illegal, it’s only through training that we all learn and you are  never to old to learn, people who have this blasé attitude are a danger to themselves and worst of all other innocent persons who happen to be there .

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I wonder what would happen if a Softwashing job went terribly wrong? The client would try and sue the operator. This would be where it would get interesting regarding qualifications. There will be a test case one day and the judge or the H&S executive will recommend certificates to undertake such work, I imagine. 

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I am doing a PW job this week in a really posh area. Had to buy blue window protection film because I don't want any sand on their windows. Taking many plywood boards with me to place down on the grass. I may get a lot more work out there if I do a good job so I will be taking my time and taking extra care in what I undertake.

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11 hours ago, Part Timer said:

I've got work with a very H&S conscious property management company that I grossed nearly £26k from last year because I have the paper medals and health and safety you so disparage. That's just to clean windows and clear their gutters with a gutter vac.  

 

 

Exactly I would like to see it compulsory that for certain jobs that you have to have a training record , and prove that you can do the job safely by being certified , bit like a garage doing mot , I think it would lift our industry get rid of some of the dole claimers doing cash in hand and pushing prices down , thus benefiting us and protecting the customer .  

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just booked in for Cardiff one scottish. Thanks again dude, let us know how it goes! 

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I didn't click on Scottish until you mentioned Maureen Conway, I thought they had given up all this training thing.

theres a few on here that have been on those courses myself included, I feel you'll learn a lot but, that course and the qualification is more aimed at applying ddac, not sodium hypochlorite, sodium hydroxide, sodium percarbonate we'll not even go near muratic acid. so its not a complete all in one box thing regarding softwashing, more of what they use you'll learn about the Frenchman-trust me that'll come up in conversation.

I am all up for courses and learning as much as I can but when you are there take as many notes as you can regardless of if they say they'll send the notes up to you via e-mail etc-still waiting for mine from two years ago, its a good thing to have round your belt a city and guilds  but they'll not be teaching anything about hypo and more etc, if they do then please tell me @scottish I may just be intrested but until then i'll be very much on the fence on this one

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I did Darran smiths course at purple rhino that just deals with softwashing with hypo , if that’s what you are going to be using I would recommend his course there is no hard sell to get you to buy there stuff they will evan explains in the course how to build your own set up  , it was very interesting and I learned a lot , wether you like the American guy or not he certainly knows his stuff , you do class room stuff in the morning with death by power point  , I have been on a lot of courses over the years and the structure of it is one of the best I have been on it’s not boring and doesn't send you to sleep with a folder with all the information in it that you take home at the end of the course it is very useful as a reference, in the afternoons you go out and use the stuff on actual buildings so you can see how to use it and how it works cannot remember the exact cost but it was around £500 for the two days , I would defiantly recommend it .

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Heads up regarding today's course:- Very Good and I don't think I will be using hypo anymore because it is not the correct chemical for treating stuff. Its a 2 day course but it could easily be a 5 day course and the certificate lasts 3 years and then one needs a one day refresher. It will soon become mandatory that if you want to perform softwashing then you will need to hold a City & Guilds Certificate and Michael Conway is the only guy in the UK who runs the course. I would advise anyone who does softwashing to attend one of the courses in England, you will not be disappointed.

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4 hours ago, kevinc250 said:

I didn't click on Scottish until you mentioned Maureen Conway, I thought they had given up all this training thing.

theres a few on here that have been on those courses myself included, I feel you'll learn a lot but, that course and the qualification is more aimed at applying ddac, not sodium hypochlorite, sodium hydroxide, sodium percarbonate we'll not even go near muratic acid. so its not a complete all in one box thing regarding softwashing, more of what they use you'll learn about the Frenchman-trust me that'll come up in conversation.

I am all up for courses and learning as much as I can but when you are there take as many notes as you can regardless of if they say they'll send the notes up to you via e-mail etc-still waiting for mine from two years ago, its a good thing to have round your belt a city and guilds  but they'll not be teaching anything about hypo and more etc, if they do then please tell me @scottish I may just be intrested but until then i'll be very much on the fence on this one

 

Sit on the fence all you like but very soon you will have no choice but to attend the course or you won't be doing softwashing, if you do then you will be getting your collar felt by the H&SE and result in a heavy Fine.

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49 minutes ago, scottish cleaning service said:

 

Sit on the fence all you like but very soon you will have no choice but to attend the course or you won't be doing softwashing, if you do then you will be getting your collar felt by the H&SE and result in a heavy Fine.

 

 

Michael Conway only teaches using his bio products , he doesn’t use hypo so doing his course will not quality you to use hypo , from what I hear this guy is scaremongering trying to get people to do his course, there are dozens of bio products out there , he claims his product is 20 % stronger than anyone else’s stuff his maths is worse than mine 😂😂😂 there are several products that are equal to his stuff and bio products do have there place but they arnt a cure all any more than hypo is each has its place and part in doing softwashing its a case of determining what system is best for a certain situation , most of my customers want an instant clean bio will not give you that fact , hypo will , there are some quote serious implications of using bio products have you read the mdsa data sheets for it ??? Have a read , many operators using it have severe respiratory problems along with throat problems all associated with bio use . Look on Michael conways web site it’s certainly not a professional company , very second rate . 

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Let you know how I get on today but I believe its money well spent.

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8 hours ago, Pjj said:

 

 

Michael Conway only teaches using his bio products , he doesn’t use hypo so doing his course will not quality you to use hypo , from what I hear this guy is scaremongering trying to get people to do his course, there are dozens of bio products out there , he claims his product is 20 % stronger than anyone else’s stuff his maths is worse than mine 😂😂😂 there are several products that are equal to his stuff and bio products do have there place but they arnt a cure all any more than hypo is each has its place and part in doing softwashing its a case of determining what system is best for a certain situation , most of my customers want an instant clean bio will not give you that fact , hypo will , there are some quote serious implications of using bio products have you read the mdsa data sheets for it ??? Have a read , many operators using it have severe respiratory problems along with throat problems all associated with bio use . Look on Michael conways web site it’s certainly not a professional company , very second rate . 

This is the thing. What we have to bear in mind is that this is their livelihood, anyone with a financial interest is going to want to sway your mind to try and persuade people their way is the right way. Dont get me wrong, i dont want to say anybodies way is the wrong way, as regardless of how long it takes, if it works, it works. 

But i totally agree with you, it must be a hard sell trying to convince a customer that “this will work over a course of weeks or months” they do like instant results. Theres the issue of payment then. Do they pay once the treatment has been applied or when its clean? I can imagine if it still looks dirty they would get the jitters about handing it over.  if they did pay on completion, it would be in the back of my mind to keep that money aside just in case a refund was required and it didnt work over time. So bio products to me dont sound like glory. 

Every course is experience on your belt, and i think having some sort of accreditation in anything is a good thing (for one thing it looks good and shows you actually give a hoot, customers do like to see accreditations) so even if i come away with that from the course, then i feel i would have gained from it.

 

pjj do you have any experience with algoclear? Seen a few profesionnal companies using that stuff.

i’ll always keep an open mind, the more you know the better.

 

when you look at this forum, softwashing only really has a two year history, its still a relatively new thing and even though its gathering pace i feel it still has a long way to go. What i will say is 90% of the jobs done by people on here are all hypo jobs, not many people on here are talking about biocides. That says something to me -  contractors want to deliver instant results. 

One thing im really surprised that hasnt been mentioned at all is the potential for customers having rainwater harvesters. I wonder how many people check for them. If youre cleaning a roof or a garage roof and all your solution ends up in them, then the customer is inevitably going to put that on their plants at a later stage! Which could well prove disastrous!

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If 2 companies goes for a Soft Washing job and one has an Accredited City & Guilds in it then I know what one is getting the job. There is a simple reason to this. A decision maker needs an angle and can't be cornered. Say the one without the qualification gets the job because they are cheaper and the job goes wrong then the decision maker will take all of the blame and maybe lose their job for employing the wrong company. If it goes wrong with the qualified one then the decision maker can't be blamed because he followed protocol and they keep their job. That's the way I see it FWIW.

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